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« Reply #5585 on: July 24, 2022, 07:52:57 PM »
'Flurry of subpoenas' reveal 'sprawling contours' of Fani Willis' investigation of Trump: NYT

The case being made against former President Donald Trump's unsuccessful coup attempt by Fulton County District Attorney was the focus of a New York Times deep-dive published online on Saturday afternoon.

"The criminal investigation into efforts by former President Donald J. Trump and his allies to overturn his election loss in Georgia has begun to entangle, in one way or another, an expanding assemblage of characters: A United States senator. A congressman. A local Cadillac dealer. A high school economics teacher. The chairman of the state Republican Party. The Republican candidate for lieutenant governor. Six lawyers aiding Mr. Trump, including a former New York City mayor. The former president himself. And a woman who has identified herself as a publicist for the rapper Kanye West," Richard Fausset and Danny Hakim reported.

Willis has sent "target" letters to multiple local GOP officials who took party in the phony electors scheme to overturn the 2020 presidential election, which was won by Joe Biden.

"Fani T. Willis, the Atlanta area district attorney, has been leading the investigation since early last year. But it is only this month, with a flurry of subpoenas and target letters, as well as court documents that illuminate some of the closed proceedings of a special grand jury, that the inquiry’s sprawling contours have emerged," The Times reported. "For legal experts, that sprawl is a sign that Ms. Willis is doing what she has indicated all along: building the framework for a broad case that could target multiple defendants with charges of conspiracy to commit election fraud, or racketeering-related charges for engaging in a coordinated scheme to undermine the election."

The bogus elector slates were signed by 84 Trump supporters in 6 states. But Democratic Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel has not indicated she is pursuing a similar prosecution. Same with New Mexico Attorney General Hector Balderas, Nevada Attorney General Aaron Ford, Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro, and Wisconsin Attorney General Josh Kaul — who are also Democrats.

"What happened in Georgia was not altogether singular. The House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol has put on display how Mr. Trump and his allies sought to subvert the election results in several crucial states, including by creating slates of fake pro-Trump electors. Yet even as many Democrats lament that the Justice Department is moving too slowly in its inquiry, the local Georgia prosecutor has been pursuing a quickening case that could pose the most immediate legal peril for the former president and his associates," The Times reported. "Whether Mr. Trump will ultimately be targeted for indictment remains unclear. But the David-before-Goliath dynamic may in part reflect that Ms. Willis’s legal decision-making is less encumbered than that of federal officials in Washington by the vast political and societal weight of prosecuting a former president, especially in a bitterly fissured country."

With Willis apparently pursing a broad investigation, it could pull in a number of prominent names if she pursues a racketeering case.

"She has already informed the head of the Georgia Republican Party that he is a target of the investigation, along with the party’s treasurer and 14 other Georgians who were on the slate of bogus Trump electors, including the car dealer and the economics teacher," the newspaper reported. "A number of people closer to Mr. Trump have also been drawn into the case. His personal lawyer, the former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, has been ordered by a judge to testify on Aug. 9. Lawyers for Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina are fighting his subpoena to testify, as are lawyers for Representative Jody Hice, a stalwart Trump ally who led efforts in the House in January 2021 to stop the certification of votes. Ms. Willis is also seeking to compel testimony from John Eastman, an architect of the legal strategy to keep Mr. Trump in power, as well as other lawyers — Kenneth Chesebro, Jacki Pick Deason, Jenna Ellis and Cleta Mitchell — who played critical roles in the effort."

The newspaper says the investigation appears focused on the calls to pressure election officials, the fake elector plot, and "numerous misstatements" made by Giuliani during a 7-hour legislative hearing that was captured on video.

Attorney Norm Eisen, who was special counsel to the House Judiciary Committee during the first Trump impeachment, predicted Willis would indict Trump for racketeering under Georgia's version of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO).

Eisen said, “she’s clearly going to charge this as a RICO case" and predicted it will be "very likely to be one of the most important criminal RICO cases ever brought in United States history.”

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5586 on: July 25, 2022, 11:28:23 AM »
Gas ended the day at $4.48, 55 cents lower than it was on June 16th. 

Given that rising gas prices accounted for at least of our recent inflation this precipitous, ongoing drop is a dramatic and very positive economic event.

Some gas math:

1/20/21 - $2.40 a gallon
1/1/22   - $3.22
6/16/22 - $5.03
7/10/22 - $4.68, down 35 cents in last 3 weeks
7/19/22 - $4.48, down 20 cents from last week, down 53 cents in the past month, an 11% drop   
69% of the increase in gas prices came from Putin.

Refusal of Republicans to acknowledge benefits his war against the Ukraine and the West, betrays our national interest.




Due to this dramatic decline all of the increase of gas prices putting current prices outside of historic norms are due to Putin's aggression.

Instead of uniting to fight Putin's tax on Americans, the GOP is covering for him and campaigning with his allies. They are traitors.   

Prime Minister of Hungary to join Donald Trump at CPAC event in Dallas
https://www.audacy.com/krld/news/local/prime-minister-of-hungary-to-join-donald-trump-cpac-dallas

The blaming of Biden for higher gas prices is a lie, a conspiracy theory, and is aiding Putin's war effort for it deflects blame from him with US voters. Gas prices are high worldwide and even higher than the United States. Putin's war in Ukraine caused these gas prices to skyrocket worldwide.   

Continued alignment of GOP against US/Western interests should be getting far more attention, but the mainstream media has largely ignored it. So much for the "Liberal Media" that right wingers lie about. If it was so "liberal",  the GOP alignment of supporting Putin's interests would be shouted from the mountain tops.

Let's also not forget that the GOP continues to vote against funding Ukraine which is in our national security interests.

The GOP and Faux "News" hacks have been cozying up to Orban and want his fascist style government to replace our democracy.

Look at what the GOP has been doing as of late: banning books, targeting teachers & doctors, targeting LGBTQ people with hate laws, going after companies like Disney for not discriminating gays, taking away free speech in Florida, restricting voting rights, forcing women to give birth and controlling women's bodies which are all the hallmarks of fascism under a dictatorship.

The GOP is controlling what you can read, what can be taught, what you can say, what you do with your own body, and where you can travel. Yes, that's fascism as we no longer have the freedom to what we want. Fascist Republicans are controlling what we do in our lives.

Republicans are not allowing pregnant women in red states to go out of state to seek an abortion during a medical emergency under their "no exception abortion law". Yes that's fascism, as we no longer have the freedom to do what we want. We have to do what the state tells us to do, and that's what the GOP is enforcing with their radical laws which are the same laws Orban has in Hungary. That's what the GOP wants in ALL 50 states, they want us to be another Hungary. 
                     
Hungary election: PM Viktor Orban criticises Ukraine's Zelensky as he wins vote
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60977917

GOP leaders are openly promoting on American soil Putin's most important European ally Viktor Orban, and one which evidence shows, who was involved in attacking the US.

Illiberal, unpatriotic, betrayal, compromised - we find to the words to describe what's happening here with these GOP traitors. 

NEW: During the US presidential election in 2016, Russian hackers used a Hungarian gov't computer to disguise international data traffic needed for attacks against the US. Then it all happened again in 2020.

https://twitter.com/panyiszabolcs/status/1547871241813389319

Most of the inflation America is currently experiencing is coming from Putin's war on Ukraine. 

If you are mad about high gas prices and inflation you should be mad at Putin and his enablers in the U.S. aka the GOP.

https://twitter.com/michael_hendrix/status/1547924293991817216

The right wing media is silent on the rapidly declining gas prices so they have moved on to other bogus conspiracies.

The right wing media and right wing politicians were lying when they said "Biden created high gas prices".

We all know that's a lie for four reasons.

1. Big Oil and Gas Companies have been inflating prices for profit while price gouging consumers.   

2. Gas prices are high all over the world and are even higher than the United States.

3. Putin's war in Ukraine made gas prices start to skyrocket in January.

4. If Biden created "high gas prices" as the right has lied about, then the price of gas wouldn't be falling rapidly as Big Oil is dropping the price of gasoline which they artificially created.
   

Gas prices have fallen even further since the last update.

Patrick De Haan @GasBuddyGuy

Record breaking single-day drop for average #gasprices yesterday, down 3.9c/gal, the 38th straight day of decline. The national average now stands at $4.381/gal, with Tennessee joining 8 other states with an average under $4/gal. All 50 states have seen a weekly decline.

39: the number of consecutive days that #gasprices have declined nationally.
67: the number of cents average prices have declined since peaking June 14.
257: how much less (in millions) Americans will spend on gasoline today vs. June 14
40,000: number of gas stations under $4


https://twitter.com/GasBuddyGuy/status/1550802288456994818

https://twitter.com/GasBuddyGuy/status/1551172614680461312   

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« Reply #5587 on: July 25, 2022, 03:18:43 PM »
'He doesn't put country first': Trump's former Defense Secretary trashes his patriotism in CNN interview

On CNN Monday, former Defense Secretary Mark Esper, a longtime member of the Trump administration, made clear he does not support his former boss and does not believe he should hold the presidency again.

A key reason, said Esper, is that he does not "put country first."

"You served during a tumultuous time in the Trump administration, you were fired in November, November 9th of 2020," said anchor Brianna Keilar. "As you're watching these January 6th hearings, what are you thinking?"

"Well, I wish I was able to see more of them, but like many Americans, I found myself stuck on airplanes or airports," said Esper. "Each hearing, as I read in the paper, the facts are startling. I've been saying, shocking but not surprising. It's an important service they were providing to recount what happened on January 6th and the days and weeks leading up to it. It's important for us to understand our history, and that there be accountability."

"You've said you won't vote for him again, you've urged others not to," said Keilar. "What's your biggest worry about what happens if President Trump is elected again?"

"Well, no, I won't support him," said Esper. "I've argued to my Republican colleagues that you can find the same type of conservative, traditional Republican policies but without — without all of the baggage, the coarseness and everything else because we need a Republican leader that cannot just unite the party but unite the country. My concern about Donald Trump trying to run for office again is he doesn't put country first and that's a problem for me, a major problem. I think he has to put country first, leaders need to lead and bring people together and he just doesn't have that capability."

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« Reply #5588 on: July 25, 2022, 03:36:39 PM »
Trump Faces 'Clear-Cut Criminal Exposure' in Georgia: Attorney
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-faces-clear-cut-criminal-exposure-georgia-attorney-1727366

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« Reply #5589 on: July 26, 2022, 11:23:38 AM »
Trump could face multiple criminal charges for trying to overturn 2020 election: report



A U.S. congressional committee probing the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the U.S. Capitol has sought to build a case that then-President Donald Trump behaved illegally when he tried to overturn his 2020 electoral defeat, but what charges could prosecutors bring against Trump and how might he defend himself?

OBSTRUCTING AN OFFICIAL PROCEEDING

In a March 2 court filing, the committee detailed Trump's efforts to persuade then-Vice President Mike Pence either to reject slates of electors for Joe Biden, who won the election, or delay a congressional count of those votes.

The president's efforts likely violated a federal law making it illegal to "corruptly" obstruct any official proceeding, or attempt to do so, said David Carter, the California federal judge overseeing the case said in a March 28 written order.

At a primetime hearing on Thursday, committee members alleged that Trump watched the violence at the U.S. Capitol unfold live on television and failed to prevent it. Witnesses testified as to Trump's reluctance to tell the rioters to leave for hours after they breached the building.

Jennifer Rodgers, a former federal prosecutor and lecturer at Columbia Law School, said a prosecutor would include that testimony if they were to try Trump on an obstruction charge because it would show his intent at the time.

"(Trump) was urged by everyone around him to act, to try to do something to stop it, and he chose not to," Rodgers said.

CONSPIRACY TO DEFRAUD THE UNITED STATES

In the March 2 filing, the committee said it was likely that Trump and others conspired to defraud the United States, which criminalizes any effort by two or more people to interfere with governmental functions "by deceit, craft or trickery."

In addition to Trump's efforts to pressure Pence, the committee cited his attempts to convince state election officials, the public and members of Congress that the 2020 election was stolen, even though several of his allies told him there was no evidence of fraud.

Cassidy Hutchinson, an aide to then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, previously testified that Trump was so enraged by then-Attorney General Bill Barr's interview with the Associated Press saying there was no evidence of election fraud that Trump threw his lunch at the wall, breaking a porcelain dish and leaving ketchup dripping down the wall.

SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY

Prosecutors have already charged more than a dozen members of the far-right Proud Boys and Oath Keepers groups who were at the Jan. 6 riot with seditious conspiracy, a rarely used statute that makes it illegal to overthrow the U.S. government by force.

To prove Trump committed seditious conspiracy, prosecutors would need to show he conspired with others to use force.

Rodgers said a prosecutor could use Trump's failure to act to bolster such a charge, including testimony that he knew he was the only person who could get the rioters to leave the Capitol.

TRUMP'S DEFENSE?

Trump has repeatedly denied doing anything illegal in connection with the Jan. 6 events.

In a series of posts on his social media platform Truth Social on Thursday, Trump attacked the House panel, but maintained his false claims that the 2020 election was stolen. "So many lies and misrepresentations by the corrupt and highly partisan Unselect Committee!" he wrote.

If the Justice Department were to bring charges, prosecutors' main challenge would be to prove that Trump acted with corrupt intent, experts said.

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« Reply #5590 on: July 26, 2022, 11:27:36 AM »
Trump deleted references to prosecuting Jan. 6 rioters in remarks -testimony

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Donald Trump crossed out sentences that distanced him from the rioters who attacked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, and refused to call for their prosecution in a draft of a speech he delivered the next day, congressional testimony showed on Monday.

The former Republican president deleted lines that said, "I want to be very clear: You do not represent me. You do not represent our movement," according to an image of the script posted on Twitter by a member of the Jan. 6 committee investigating the attack, U.S. Representative Elaine Luria.

He also deleted a reference to directing the "Department of Justice to ensure all lawbreakers are prosecuted to the full extent of the law. We must send a clear message — not with mercy but with JUSTICE. Legal consequences must be swift and firm."

In a primetime hearing last week, the congressional committee probing the attack played video outtakes from the Jan. 7 speech that showed Trump refusing to admit the election was over and he had lost. "I don't want to say the election is over," Trump said in footage recorded as he rehearsed the speech.

In the attack, thousands of Trump supporters breached the Capitol in an attempt to stop Congress from certifying Democrat Joe Biden's November 2020 presidential victory.

Video clips that Luria posted, not previously made public, included testimony from the former president's daughter and son-in-law, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, and White House lawyers and aides who described Trump as reluctant to give a reconciliatory address after the Capitol attack.

"Do you know why he wanted that crossed out?" an investigator asked Kushner.

"I don't know," Jared Kushner responded.

The witnesses described concerns about what would happen if the president did not send a stronger message.

"That needed to be stated forcefully: They did not represent him or his political views in any form or fashion," White House counsel Pat Cipollone testified.

Trump aide John McEntee told committee investigators that Kushner asked him to nudge the speech along and encourage Trump to "help everything cool down."

"Was the implication that the president was in some ways reluctant to give that speech?" an investigator asked McEntee.

"Yeah."

"OK, what do you base that on?"

"The fact that somebody has to tell me to nudge it along," McEntee said.

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« Reply #5591 on: July 26, 2022, 11:36:47 AM »
Trump ‘chose not to act’ as U.S. Capitol underwent attack, Jan. 6 panel says

The committee showed video of U.S. Sen. Josh Hawley, hours after pumping his fist in solidarity with Trump supporters, running away from the Senate chamber as the mob approached



Donald Trump ignored White House staff, family members and outside advisers who urged the president to call off the mob attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, according to testimony before the U.S. House panel investigating the insurrection at its eighth and final hearing of the summer Thursday night.

Instead, Trump sat in the White House dining room for hours watching the Fox News coverage of the assault, committee leaders said as they laid out new details of the 187 minutes between the end of Trump’s speech on the White House ellipse and his tweet telling rioters to “go home with love and peace.”

Despite the pleas of those closest to him, and despite seeing the violence unfold live on Fox, Trump was unmoved. Trump didn’t fail to act, committee member Adam Kinzinger, an Illinois Republican who co-led Thursday’s hearing, said: “He chose not to act.”

Vice Chair Liz Cheney, a Republican from Wyoming, underscored that Trump’s refusal to condemn the riot was described by dozens of Republican witnesses, “those who served Donald Trump loyally for years,” she said.

“The case against Donald Trump in these hearings is not made by witnesses who were his political enemies. It is instead a series of confessions by Donald Trump’s own appointees, his own friends, his own campaign officials.”

Here are some details that emerged Thursday night:

Hawley’s jog


Footage of U.S. Sen. Josh Hawley of Missouri running to escape violent rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol (screenshot).

The committee showed video of U.S. Sen. Josh Hawley of Missouri, hours after pumping his fist in solidarity with Trump supporters, running away from the Senate chamber as the mob approached.

People in the committee hearing room broke out into audible laughter during the footage of Hawley running, which was replayed in slow motion.

Hawley later voted not to certify the election results, and he uses images of his fist pump that day to raise money, putting it on coffee mugs and other items.

Shortly before watching the video of Hawley fleeing, the committee was also told that a member of the U.S. Capitol Police who watched Hawley’s fist pump that day was rattled by it.

“She told us that Sen. Hawley’s gesture riled up the crowd and it bothered her greatly because he was doing it in a safe space protected by the officers and the barriers,” said Democratic U.S. Rep. Elaine Luria of Virginia.

Trump clung until the last minute to the idea that the election wasn’t over

The panel showed outtakes from Trump’s video message to supporters telling them to leave the Capitol, and from a address the next day. Even as he prepared for those statements, he refused to concede he lost the election.

“I don’t want to say the election is over,” he said in a Jan. 7 outtake, reacting to a line speechwriters included. “I just want to say, ‘Now Congress has certified the results,’ without saying.”

The unsubstantiated claim that Trump’s 2020 election loss to Joe Biden was illegitimate — and that somehow the result could be overturned — was the concept that motivated the attack.

Trump heard from many people who wanted him to call off the attack

People identified as telling Trump or Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, a former North Carolina congressman, that he must condemn the violence included Trump’s children Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr., Fox News host Sean Hannity, White House Counsel Pat Cipollone, House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy and others.

Sarah Matthews, a former communications official for Trump’s reelection campaign who was in the White House on Jan. 6, said she had seen at rallies the power Trump had over his supporters.

“He was the only person in the world who could call off the mob he sent to the Capitol,” Thompson said.

Pence’s security detail

A White House official with national security responsibilities relayed a harrowing account of Vice President Mike Pence’s Secret Service detail. Pence was at the Capitol to conduct his ceremonial role to certify the election results, which Trump was strongly pressuring him not to do.

The official, whose identity the committee did not disclose because the official feared retribution, heard chaos at the Capitol over a radio.

“There were a lot of there was a lot of yelling a lot of a lot of very personal calls over the radio,” the official said. “I don’t like talking about it, but they were calling to say goodbye to family members.”

The rioters’ anger was focused on Pence, U.S. Rep. Elaine Luria, a Virginia Democrat who co-led Thursday’s hearing, said, after Trump tweeted at 2:24 p.m. that Pence didn’t have “the courage” to overturn the vote. “He put a target on his own vice president’s back,” Luria said.

The panel showed video of Secret Service agents hustling Pence and his team to a secure location.

Cipollone considered resigning on Jan. 6

The top White House lawyer decided against stepping down because he was worried about who would replace him, he told the panel in taped  testimony.

Records don’t exist

The White House phone log does not include any entries from 11:06 a.m. to 6:54 p.m., though the president was making and taking calls during those hours, the committee said.

Former White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said in a taped deposition that she gave Trump a list of senators and that the president called them to urge them not to certify the election results.

Alabama Republican U.S. Sen. Tommy Tuberville said on a local television news station in February that Trump called him as he prepared to evacuate the Capitol.

The committee also has phone records of Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, which show the two spoke twice in that timeframe.

The White House daily diary is also blank from 1:21 p.m. to 4:03 p.m. on Jan. 6, Luria said.

And the official White House photographer was told not to take photographs as Trump went into the Rose Garden to record a video message to supporters.

See you in September

The panel will not hold another public hearing until September, Chairman Bennie G. Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, said. Thompson, who has tested positive for COVID-19, appeared virtually.

The panel will continue its work over Congress’ August recess, Cheney said.

https://missouriindependent.com/2022/07/22/trump-chose-not-to-act-as-u-s-capitol-underwent-attack-jan-6-panel-says/

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