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« Reply #6072 on: May 03, 2023, 03:35:09 AM »
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Trump aide Dan Scavino testified to Jack Smith’s grand jury today, per NBC News. Everyone is assuming this is his first go-round. But the courts ordered him to testify five weeks ago. It’s entirely possible he already testified, came back today more testimony post-Pence.

The media stakes out the courthouse and tries to spot every witness going in, and takes the position that if it hasn’t seen someone go in then they must not have testified yet. But witnesses have ways of sneaking in, and it’s not possible for the media to spot 100% of them.

So we don’t know if Scavino’s testimony today was his first go-round or second.

Nor do we know if Mark Meadows has already testified. He could have cut a deal to be snuck in through a parking garage or something.

We don’t know how many more witnesses (if any) are still left.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6073 on: May 03, 2023, 04:20:42 AM »
Jack Smith holds the keys to blocking Trump from a self-pardon

With Donald Trump facing multiple investigations in New York, Georgia and Washington, D.C., questions are being raised over whether he will be eligible for a pardon should he be found guilty of any of the many crimes he has been accused of.

In a speculative column for Politico, University of Baltimore School of Law professor Kimberly Wehle wrote that there are many paths and outcomes depending upon whether the former president is indicted at the state or federal level, but one charge and conviction would put a pardon out of reach even if Trump is re-elected and tries to absolve himself.

Digging deep into the Constitution, Wehle suggests that, should special counsel Jack Smith indict Donald Trump for his part in leading the Jan. 6 insurrection, there will be nothing he or even President Joe Biden can do about it via the pardon.

As she wrote, the charges in Trump's second impeachment provide a roadmap.

"No court has yet considered the question of whether presidents can pardon themselves, even for crimes committed in the Oval Office," she wrote. "Article I, Section 3 of the Constitution states of impeachment, which is the most apparent remedy for presidential wrongdoing in office, that 'the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.'"

"Given that impeachments cannot be pardoned under Article II, the impeachment language — which makes former presidents subject to the criminal laws for impeachable conduct — could be read to suggest that crimes related to impeachments cannot be pardoned, either," she explained.

She added that Section 3 of the 14th Amendment also presents a roadblock to the former president.

"If Smith’s grand jury indicts Trump under the section of federal sedition law which provides that '[w]hoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto . . . shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States,' a self-pardon would clash with the Supreme Court’s longstanding recognition, discussed below, that pardons cannot undermine other parts of the Constitution."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6074 on: May 03, 2023, 10:15:08 PM »
Judge sets deadline after Trumps stop turning over documents in fraud case



Forbes reported on Wednesday that Donald Trump and his three eldest children who worked at the Trump Organization have failed to turn over emails and other communications requested in the fraud suit from New York Attorney General Letitia James.

A letter submitted to the court last week revealed “an unexplained drop-off in emails for Ivanka Trump” as another one of the issues for the investigators. The request comes from the fraud investigation into the Trump Organization's business practices. Already, Trump has been forced to pay $110,000 in fines because Judge Arthur Engoron found the former president in contempt because he wouldn't comply with a subpoena.

It's unclear if Trump and his family members could be forced to fork over more cash due to the inability to comply with other subpoenas. But thus far, the AG's office is requesting a timeline for the document delivery.

"The attorney general’s office is now saying the Trumps’ evasiveness has continued into the discovery process of the $250 million lawsuit, which alleges Donald Trump, his children, the Trump Organization and some of its top executives inflated property values to obtain economic benefits, such as securing cheaper loans," Forbes reported. The Trump side denies the charges in the case and the elder Trump has spent a lot of time on his social media account trashing the New York AG using racist nicknames forher.

The court filing asks the judge to intervene again, saying that they had started to give documents but haven't given a timeline for when that request would be fulfilled. James also said that the Trumps aren't answering questions about how the materials are being collected.

"The letter notes a significant decline in emails turned over from Ivanka Trump, dropping from an average of 1,200 emails per month in the first nine months of 2014 to just 37 emails a month in 2016," the report continued.

According to the attorney general's office, the lawyers gave a less-than-satisfactory excuse.

“Not only have defendants failed to offer any substantive response to this inquiry, but there have been no documents produced by Ms. Trump,” the AG's office told the judge.

Ivanka Trump has also replaced her attorneys, though some of the attorneys she was using still represent Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump.

Some of the requests from the AG have been granted by the judge, namely that the Trumps submit sworn affidavits on how the collections have worked, what they've done so far and he also set a May 12 deadline to turn over everything outstanding.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-fraud-case-documents-requested/

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Re: Donald Trump Indicted!
« Reply #6075 on: May 04, 2023, 03:12:23 AM »
BREAKING: THREAD: new reporting from @kpolantz and @PaulaReidCNN indicates that Jack Smith prosecutors have been asking questions about the HANDLING/TAMPERING of the surveillance footage subpoenaed on June 24, 2022 in the documents case.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6076 on: May 04, 2023, 03:56:55 AM »
Jack Smith may be trying to prove Trump tampered with Mar-a-Lago security footage: legal expert



According to new reporting from CNN, special counsel Jack Smith is now investigating the Trump Organization's handling of security footage from former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort, as part of the criminal probe into troves of highly classified documents that were found illegally being stored on the premises — and that longtime Trump security aide Matthew Calamari and his son are a key focus.

Speaking to CNN's Pamela Brown, NYU professor Ryan Goodman argued this is a key indication Smith thinks the footage Trump's legal team handed over previously may have been doctored or otherwise interfered with.

"The special counsel is looking at the handling of surveillance footage that was turned over under subpoena," said Brown. "How significant is this development."

"It's highly significant if the special counsel has reason to think that the surveillance video was tampered with," said Goodman. "It's very significant in two respects. One, this is a case about obstruction, which would be 'obstruction on steroids' if people tampered with the surveillance that the Department of Justice specifically subpoenaed in order to find out what had happened to the classified documents. And the second is that it would be a very serious aggravating factor pointing the Justice Department to indictment under the Espionage Act if, indeed, it included this kind of level of obstruction, of any tampering with the video surveillance. And would also mean that more than one person was involved. That's another aggravating factor that the Department of Justice would have to take into account."

"We played that sound of Trump telling Sean Hannity a few weeks ago, quote, 'I gave them tapes of storage areas, I wasn't holding anything back,'" said Brown. "CNN has reported that the security camera footage that was turned over showed a Mar-a-Lago staff member moving boxes from a storage room with a Trump aide ... what do you think, do you think there's more footage that Trump doesn't want out there."

"That's an open question," said Goodman. "The footage they provided was only of a certain date range. They only keep surveillance video footage for a specific period of time. It also sounds as though the special counsel wants to hear about how people like Walter, who's caught on the video, and the Calamaris may have been discussing it. Moving the boxes out after they received the subpoena and the direction to keep the boxes in the storage room, really important for the Justice Department to know about those conversations entail."

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« Reply #6077 on: May 04, 2023, 08:57:09 AM »
Judge tosses Donald Trump's lawsuit against New York Times

A New York judge on Wednesday has tossed a lawsuit Donald Trump filed against The New York Times, The Daily Beast reports.

Trump’s 2021 lawsuit alleged a “insidious plot” between the newspaper and his niece, Mary Trump, to obtain his private tax records for a 2018 Pulitzer-winning article.

New York Supreme Court Justice Robert R. Reed in his ruling filed Wednesday afternoon wrote that the claims “fail as a matter of constitutional law” and determined that the NYT’s reporting was “the very core of protected First Amendment activity.”

CNN media reporter Oliver Darcy obtained a statement from a New York Times spokesperson that said: "The New York Times is pleased with the judge's decision today. It is an important precedent reaffirming that the press is protected when it engages in routine newsgathering to obtain information of vital importance to the public."

Donald Trump's lawsuit concerning Mary Trump has yet to be ruled on.

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Special counsel investigating Trump Org's handling of Mar-a-Lago security tapes: report

Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith is now investigating how the Trump Organization handled surveillance tapes from his Mar-a-Lago country club as part of the probe into classified documents illegally stashed on the property, reported CNN on Wednesday.

"The handling of the footage, and how employees within the Trump Organization responded to the Justice Department’s demand for it, have prompted a new round of grand jury subpoenas to top Trump employees in the last few weeks, the sources told CNN," reported Katelyn Polantz and Paula Reid. "Longtime Trump Organization executives Matthew Calamari Sr. and his son Matthew Calamari Jr. are expected to appear Thursday before the grand jury investigating possible mishandling of classified documents brought to Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, sources said. Prosecutors are expected to ask them about the handling of the surveillance footage and Trump employees’ conversations following the subpoena, according to the sources."

The classified document probe is one of two major cases involving former President Donald Trump that Smith is overseeing, the other being the investigation into the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

"The footage has been a part of the Justice Department’s investigation into possible mishandling of classified records at the Florida beach club after Trump left the presidency and possible obstruction of justice. No charges have been brought in the case, and Trump has denied any wrongdoing," said the report. "CNN has previously reported the footage captured Walt Nauta, an aide close to the ex-president, Nauta and another Mar-a-Lago employee moving boxes containing documents out of a storage closet."

"The Calamaris are among several witnesses expected to testify in Smith’s investigation on Thursday, sources said," the report continued. "Prosecutors have previously brought in lower-level Trump employees for questioning about the surveillance footage, including how it may have been handled in response to the subpoena for it and if it could have been tampered with, two sources told CNN this week."

Trump has fiercely resisted the investigation, claiming he had a right to take the documents. However, he has also justified his actions by boasting that Mar-a-Lago is a "highly secured facility." In reality, the country club has seen numerous security breaches, including by nationals from hostile foreign powers.

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Beyond insane': Another billionaire donor drops Trump over election lies

A Georgia billionaire who was one of the state’s biggest financial backers of Donald Trump has dropped the former president over election fraud lies, according to a leaked recording.

Tommy Bagwell announced his decision at a closed-door RNC donor retreat in Nashville, the Atlanta Journal Constitution reported.

The recording was first aired by activist Lauren Windsor.

“I want to, unfortunately, say something that’s probably not very popular in this crowd,” Cummings, a former poultry magnate, said, according to the AJC.

“So, to keep you from throwing things at me, I figure I’d say it.”

He went on to call election denial claims “beyond insane.”

“One of the worst things you can do in this stuff is start repeating and promoting stuff that absolutely just didn’t happen. And Georgia’s election was pretty damn clean,” he said.

“Everything, especially that Mr. Trump promoted that I heard, was roundly and convincingly debunked.”

He pointed out that he had given a fortune to Trump, then added: “Not anymore.”

The meeting was attended by Trump attorney Cleta Mitchell, the AJC reported. She responded by repeating the election fraud conspiracies.

“There are problems in Fulton County,” she said. “There are problems in DeKalb County. And we know what they are now,” she said to applause. “I just want to prepare for those before 2024.”

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Pence meeting shows Jack Smith is pursuing a different approach than Robert Mueller



In an unusual move, January 6 special counsel Jack Smith sat in on the grand jury testimony of former Vice President Mike Pence — testimony that was the culmination of months of back-and-forth legal wrangling over whether the Justice Department had the constitutional authority to compel Pence in the first place.

Speaking to CNN's "The Situation Room" on Wednesday, former prosecutor Shan Wu outlined how this represents a huge difference between the approaches of Smith and former special counsel Robert Mueller, who oversaw the investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

"What does it suggest to you, that Jack Smith actually sat in during the grand jury testimony?" asked anchor Wolf Blitzer

"Besides the historic nature ... from a prosecutorial and defense counsel, it signals it's active and operational," said Wu. "Very rare for a leader to be personally sitting there in the grand jury room during that testimony. And I think it signals that he's — it's a very vigorous style of leadership. I mean, it's a little bit of a contrast to the approach we saw in the Mueller investigation, where, from what we understand and what I personally saw, Mueller himself did not participate in most of the interviews leading through his staff. Mueller coming from being the head of the FBI for many years, very large institution. Different place in his career than Smith, who was very much coming to this from being an operational prosecutor. So I think we're seeing a contrast in those styles."

"Do you think Jack Smith will continue his role in other key testimony going forward?" Blitzer pressed him.

"He may," said Wu. "I think it probably depends on the individual witness whether he would be there or not. But I think his mere presence signals he has a very hands-on role in directing the operation. The caution, not always good to have the top person be too hands-on. You might compare [special counsel John] Durham's efforts of leading the investigation, but there are very different kinds of prosecutors. I think this signals he has a steady and active hand on the controls."

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Re: Donald Trump Indicted!
« Reply #6078 on: May 04, 2023, 10:17:05 PM »
The Proud Boys were just found guilty of seditious conspiracy. Donald Trump will be found guilty of the same.   

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6079 on: May 04, 2023, 10:37:19 PM »
Proud Boys verdicts 'should' make Jan. 6 charges against Trump more likely: ex-prosecutor



The decisions handed down against some members of the Proud Boys for their participation in the attempted insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021, "should" affect whether authorities charge former president Donald Trump for his role, a former prosecutor said.

Attorney Elie Honig of Lowenstein Sandler LLP, a former New Jersey and federal prosecutor, was a guest on CNN on Thursday when the panel was discussing how four Proud Boys members were found guilty of seditious conspiracy. The host, Jake Tapper, said it seems like those who were convicted thought that they were doing what they were doing "in service of Donald Trump."

"They heard him say stand back and stand by," Tapper said. "Will this verdict make it more likely, do you think, that the Justice Department will charge Trump for his role in the insurrection?"

Responding to Tapper, Honig said: "I think it should, but I'm not so sure that it will," Honig said. "First of all, these verdicts are a statement; they are proof of concept. Now for the third time we see that the DOJ is fully capable of charging seditious conspiracy and getting convictions."

Honig added that the "model" prosecutors used, could inform a Trump prosecution.

"Also if you look at the way they didn't have one smoking gun. Instead what they did, was they put together all the evidence, testimony, and documents showing that there was talk of revolution insurrection and that they had a plan to go to the Capitol and stay in coordination," he added. "So you can see how that model could be used against Donald Trump and others."

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