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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6200 on: June 06, 2023, 03:30:56 AM »
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Donnie has been rage posting and melting down on his failed social media site all evening. He clearly knows he is going down. Demanding and begging Merrick Garland not to indict isn't going to save Donnie.

Donnie's former White House attorney Ty Cobb was one of the first people to go on television and state his expectation that Trump is going to prison. Now that Jack Smith has met with Trump’s lawyers and presumably informed them that Trump is indeed being indicted on espionage charges that will put him in prison, Trump is going nuclear – about Cobb of all people.

Trump is throwing a fit on his social network, calling Ty Cobb "a disgruntled former Lawyer, who represented me long ago, and knows absolutely nothing about the Boxes Hoax being perpetrated upon me by the DOJ.” Trump then continues ranting for awhile, before threatening to take legal action against Cobb.

This is bizarre. There’s nothing here for Trump to even take action on. Ty Cobb is merely stating his expectation that Trump will go down for his classified documents scandal, the same expectation being expressed by most legal experts. Trump is frantically out of his mind about being indicted for espionage, and he’s lashing out in more panicked fashion than ever.





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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6201 on: June 06, 2023, 04:59:53 AM »
Why does Jack Smith have classified document grand juries in Washington DC and Florida? He may be indicting Trump in DC since that’s where Trump first stole the docs, and indicting the underlings in Florida since that’s where they first got involved in obstructing the documents.

It could also be that Smith is indicting Trump for classified documents in DC because he’ll also be indicting Trump for January 6th and wire fraud in DC, and wants all the charges against Trump to be in the same circuit.

We’ll find out soon enough why Smith is doing it this way. But the real story is that none of us knew until TODAY that Jack Smith even had two different grand juries in the classified documents case. That’s just how little we know about what all Smith has been doing.

The video below has more info on the meeting yesterday.


Trump lawyers meet with Special Counsel Jack Smith amidst ‘jail time’ warning: Melber report

Lawyers representing Donald Trump in the classified documents scandal met with Special Counsel Jack Smith at the Department of Justice in Washing today. This meeting follows the discovery of an audio tape of Trump discussing possible classified war plans. The Federal Grand Jury investigating is expected to meet this week. The Wall Street Journal reporting this signals the probe is “all but wrapped up.” MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber reports.


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6202 on: June 06, 2023, 10:04:11 AM »
Trump raked in over $80 million from businesses in UK and Ireland while president: watchdog

Donald Trump made more than $80 million from his businesses in Ireland and Scotland during his years in the White House, according to a report from the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW).

CREW's report stated that all the money was made "with extraordinary conflicts of interest, mixing Trump’s personal financial interests with the national interests of the United States." The group claims that Trump made over a billion dollars in income while he was president, with up to $160 million of that money "coming from businesses in foreign countries with interest in U.S. foreign policy."

As CREW points out, Trump made the choice not to divest from his businesses while serving his term as president -- a choice that CREW says led to "four years of egregious conflicts of interest between his business and the government."

One of the worst conflicts, according to the report, was his Doonbeg golf course in Ireland, from which he raked in almost $25 million, and his Turnberry and Aberdeen golf properties in Scotland, where he made over $58 million. The report states that Trump used opportunities as president to promote the properties and also "extracted every penny he could from the U.S. government" by charging the Secret Service “exorbitant” rates for rooms and other charges.

Read CREW's full report here: https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/trump-made-over-80-million-from-uk-and-ireland-while-president/



We're on indictment watch': MSNBC analyst drops bad news for Trump as grand jury reconvenes

According to MSNBC analyst Ken Dilanian, the fact that the grand jury convened by special counsel Jack Smith will reportedly reconvene this week after weeks of new revelations about Donald Trump's mishandling of documents should have everyone watching for possible indictments sooner than later.

Appearing on "Morning Joe," Dilanian put the MSNBC panel and Donald Trump on notice that "we're on indictment watch."

The NBC report from over the weekend stated, "Prosecutors working for special counsel Jack Smith have been presenting the grand jury with evidence and witness testimony for months, but activity appeared to have slowed in recent weeks based on observations at the courthouse and sources.

Pressed for what to expect, Dilanian told the hosts that there is a possibility of indictments coming sooner rather than later.

"Frankly, we're on indictment watch here," he confessed. " I mean, we don't know what's going to happen but one possibility is on Wednesday the grand jury votes on whether to indict this case."

"We know the saying that prosecutors could convince a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich so that's one of the possibilities," he continued. "It's also possible they're interviewing some final witnesses in this case."

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Trump allies 'extraordinarily concerned' because 'they know he lied to feds



MSNBC'S Joe Scarborough has said it before, but this time he's pretty sure it's true -- the walls seem to finally be closing in on Donald Trump.

The former president has managed to escape consequences for a number of high crimes and misdemeanors, but the "Morning Joe" host believes a grand jury that has been hearing evidence in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case is moving closer to an indictment.

"It's very clear this is going to be a very easy case and the pleadings will be clean, slick, to the point: Donald Trump obstructed justice," Scarborough said. "He obstructed the investigation, he lied. We're going to get to his lawyers memos that came out that Jack Smith now has that are going to be devastating for the cause, but the bottom line in this, again, let's just circle back."

"He's calling it a witch hunt, other spokespeople are calling it a witch hunt, lawyers are calling it a witch hunt," Scarborough added, "but you and I both know, based on people we have been talking to close to Donald Trump, they know this is not a witch hunt. They -- let me say the words, let me say the words -- they feel -- are you ready -- the walls -- everybody say it with me -- closing in on this one. So, yes, people can mock me for saying that, just like they mocked people on the show for saying it before the Manhattan [district attorney] came down with charges, but based on everything I'm hearing, based on what you're hearing, at least last week, they are extraordinarily concerned about indictments coming down in this case because they know he lied and he got caught lying to the feds."

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« Reply #6203 on: June 06, 2023, 10:27:55 PM »
'This is it': CNN legal expert says Trump documents probe has reached its endgame



CNN legal analyst Eli Honig said on Tuesday that he has little doubt the the investigation into former President Donald Trump's handling of top-secret government documents has reached its endgame.

In breaking down the latest news about the investigation, Honig pointed to reports that special counsel Jack Smith was present at a Monday meeting with Trump's lawyers as evidence that a charging decision is coming very soon.

"The fact that Jack Smith was there is really important to me because that tells me that this is it," he said. "Jack Smith is the principal here. I don't think they're likely to give Trump's lawyers a meeting with the attorney general. That's unheard of... Jack Smith will have the crucial decision here... based on my experience, yes, it has to be ending soon. I'm not going to commit to when 'soon' is, but these meetings with defense lawyers happen at the very end."

Honig also explained how these meetings between defense lawyers and prosecutors are common, although he cast doubt on the Trump lawyers' chances of success.

"Defense lawyers come in and pitch you," Honig said. "They basically say, 'Prosecutors, these problems with your case, here's why it's a bad idea for you to charge my client.' They don't work often but sometimes they can be useful for prosecutors. I've been talked out of very borderline cases on a few instances."

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« Reply #6204 on: June 06, 2023, 10:37:28 PM »
Trump’s lawyers went into DOJ meeting ‘guns blazing’ — and it was a mistake: legal analyst



Former U.S. Attorney and Los Angeles Times legal analyst Harry Litman thinks that everything is already in place to move forward with an indictment of Donald Trump – and all that is left is to have the vote before the grand jury.

Speaking to MSNBC on Tuesday, Litman explained that, generally, the last move for defense attorneys is to plead their case before the prosecutors as a last attempt to prevent an indictment.

It "is something that is routine when it is asked for, but normally a savvy defense lawyer will try to propose some kind of deal, some kind of actual diminution of the charges," said Litman.

Trump's lawyers met with prosecutors Monday.

"And they went in guns blazing," Litman said. "Trump's reaction this morning kind of reflects that. And I agree, it may be a smidgeon farther, I think a charging decision before that meeting would have occurred, it would have all gone up to the attorney general, there would be a draft indictment, there would be a selection of which charges to bring because there are possible ones. And now once that meeting happens, I think that the only move left is [to] go to the grand jury and ask them to present a true bill."

He posted on Twitter later that the meeting seemed like nothing more than a "b---h session."

"It's the wrong time and place for that and a blown opportunity to get something from DOJ," he tweeted.

Litman went on to talk about the difference between the Florida grand jury and the Washington, D.C. one. It's possible, according to NBC News reporter Ken Dilanian, that the Florida grand jury – which will start sitting this week – involves the indictment of someone else that was helping Trump like his aides or staff, he said.

The conversation then turned to Trump's social media rants being a possible indication that he's been briefed by his lawyers on what is coming.

New York Times reporter Peter Baker suggested that the reason Trump is "exploding" is that "he knows something may be coming and [he's] certainly trying to prepare the ground for it, prepare his base, his Republican voters."

He's "trying to discredit any indictment that might come, by saying this is just one more part of the elaborate witch hunt," Baker explained. "And I haven't met anybody yet who liked the prosecutor and said nice things about them. That's not unusual. But it has been a tried and true strategy for former President Trump at least politically over the years, to try to make clear that anything that ever is alleged about him has nothing to do with him, it's all that people are out to get him. He feeds the victimization narrative, and it has been successful for him."

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'Nihilistic moron' Trump heading for another indictment: George Conway



George Conway mocked Donald Trump as a "nihilistic moron" for risking years in prison by hoarding classified documents at his private resort at Mar-a-Lago.

The former president appears to be headed toward a second indictment, after he was charged with fraud in Manhattan, and panelists on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" discussed the latest developments in the quickening investigation by special counsel Jack Smith in the Mar-a-Lago case.

"There is a sense of real panic growing at Mar-a-Lago, reflected in Trump's Truth Social tweets but also those even calmer heads in the room say, 'Look, we're concerned, we feel like a charge could be coming.'"

Trump's attorneys met Monday with officials at the Department of Justice to argue against an indictment, and conservative attorney George Conway said that showed an indictment was likely imminent.

"We are approaching the very end," Conway said. "I kept hearing this ear worm in my head as I was coming to the studio this morning, 'This is it, make no mistake.' We're getting down to the final strokes of this race, and what's clearly really remarkable about it is that of all the things that this man has done, eight decades of lying and cheating and stealing, this case, this documents case, is probably the easiest, shortest, simplest and yet carries the most severe penalties, likely penalties, of any of the cases, any of the legal issues that he's ever faced."

"Now people will say, you know, he really, in a just world, he would go to jail for what he did on Jan. 6, the weeks approaching Jan. 6," Conway added. "And I kind of agree with that, but for this man who is basically a nihilistic moron, for him to go to jail potentially for a long time, these Espionage Act charges bring very heavy sentences to potentially go to jail for something so pointless and silly and useless as keeping these documents is actually kind of fitting."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6205 on: June 06, 2023, 10:44:03 PM »
New reporting today that more witnesses still have yet to testify to Jack Smith's Florida grand jury. But that grand jury is targeting Trump's underlings.

The other grand jury in the classified docs probe, the one in DC, appears to have nothing left to do but indict Trump.

There is every reason to expect Jack Smith could indict Trump in DC this week, then indict the underlings in Florida next week or whenever that process finishes.

The fact that the Florida grand jury still has work to do is not an indicator of any delay in the Trump indictment.

There’s understandably a lot of confusion about the two Jack Smith grand juries in the classified documents case. To be clear, they’re both federal. When bringing federal charges you still have to do it in the state relevant to the crime. But it has nothing to do with state law. There are no state charges involved in this.

A federal grand jury in Florida would have zero connection to the state government of Florida, zero to do with Florida prosecutors, zero to do with anything Ron DeSantis oversees.

There’s something fun about the fact that the Feds have secretly had a Trump related grand jury going  in Florida all this time, and DeSantis didn’t even know about it.

But that’s *because* it has nothing to do with him or his state government.

Not that a governor would automatically know that a state prosecutor had empaneled a grand jury. Grand juries are secret until someone involved starts blabbing. But DeSantis has no connection to Jack Smith’s federal grand jury in Florida *at all*.

Days before Jack Smith indicts Trump for espionage, the Saudis are merging their LIV golf tour with the PGA.

Smith is also investigating Trump's financial involvement in LIV.

Sounds like the Saudis are trying to bury LIV while they still can. It won't work. It'll all come out.


PGA Tour agrees to merge with Saudi-backed rival LIV Golf
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/06/pga-tour-agrees-to-merge-with-saudi-backed-rival-liv-golf.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6206 on: June 07, 2023, 12:10:31 AM »
MAJOR BREAKING NEWS—

Trump White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows has testified before a federal grand jury hearing evidence in the investigations being led by Special Counsel Jack Smith, the New York Times reports.

Meadows is a key player in both the stolen documents investigation as well as the investigation into January 6th and Donald Trump’s election interference.


Mark Meadows Testified to Grand Jury in Special Counsel Investigation of Trump

Mr. Meadows, the final White House chief of staff under Donald Trump, is seen as a potentially key witness in the documents and Jan. 6 inquiries.



Mark Meadows, the final White House chief of staff under President Donald J. Trump and a potentially key figure in inquiries related to Mr. Trump, has testified before a federal grand jury hearing evidence in the investigations being led by the special counsel’s office, according to two people briefed on the matter.

Mr. Meadows is a figure in both of the two distinct lines of inquiry being pursued by the special counsel appointed to oversee the Justice Department’s scrutiny of Mr. Trump, Jack Smith.

One inquiry is focused on Mr. Trump’s efforts to cling to power after losing the 2020 election, culminating in the attack by a pro-Trump mob on the Capitol during congressional certification of the Electoral College results on Jan. 6, 2021. The other is an investigation into Mr. Trump’s handling of hundreds of classified documents after he left office and whether he obstructed efforts to retrieve them.

It is not clear precisely when Mr. Meadows testified or if investigators questioned him about one or both of the cases.

For months, people in Mr. Trump’s orbit have been puzzled by and wary about the low profile kept by Mr. Meadows in the investigations. As reports surfaced of one witness after another going into the grand jury or to be interviewed by federal investigators, Mr. Meadows has kept largely out of sight, and some of Mr. Trump’s advisers believe he could be a significant witness in the inquiries.

Understand the Events on Jan. 6

Timeline: On Jan. 6, 2021, 64 days after Election Day 2020, a mob of supporters of President Donald J. Trump raided the Capitol. Here is a close look at how the attack unfolded.

A Day of Rage: Using thousands of videos and police radio communications, a Times investigation reconstructed in detail what happened — and why.

Lost Lives: A bipartisan Senate report found that at least seven people died in connection with the attack.

Jan. 6 Attendees: To many of those who attended the Trump rally but never breached the Capitol, that date wasn’t a dark day for the nation. It was a new start.

Mr. Trump himself has at times asked aides questions about how Mr. Meadows is doing, according to a person familiar with the remarks.

Asked about the grand jury testimony, a lawyer for Mr. Meadows, George Terwilliger, said, “Without commenting on whether or not Mr. Meadows has testified before the grand jury or in any other proceeding, Mr. Meadows has maintained a commitment to tell the truth where he has a legal obligation to do so.”

Mr. Meadows was a polarizing figure at the White House among some of Mr. Trump’s aides, who saw him as a loose gatekeeper at best during a final year in which the former president moved aggressively to mold the government in his image.

Mr. Meadows was around for pivotal moments leading up to and after the 2020 election, as Mr. Trump plotted to try to stay in office and thwart Joseph R. Biden Jr. from being sworn in to succeed him. Some of them were described in hundreds of text messages that Mr. Meadows turned over to the House select committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack at the Capitol before he decided to stop cooperating. Those texts served as a road map for House investigators.

But Mr. Meadows also has insight into efforts by the National Archives to retrieve roughly two dozen boxes of presidential material that officials had been told Mr. Trump took with him when he left the White House in January 2021. Mr. Meadows was one of Mr. Trump’s representatives to the archives, and he had some role in trying to discuss the matter with Mr. Trump, according to two people briefed on the matter.

Mr. Meadows is also now connected tangentially to a potentially vital piece of evidence that investigators uncovered in recent months: an audio recording of an interview that Mr. Trump gave to two people assisting Mr. Meadows in writing a memoir of his White House years.

Mr. Meadows did not attend the meeting, which took place in July 2021 at Mr. Trump’s club at Bedminster, N.J. During the meeting, Mr. Trump referred to a document he appeared to have in front of him and suggested that he should have declassified it but that he no longer could, since he was out of office.

That recording could undercut Mr. Trump’s claim that he believed he had declassified all material still held at his properties for months after he left office.

Read More from this New York Times article in the link below:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/06/us/politics/mark-meadows-testified-trump-grand-jury.html?unlocked_article_code=jEGeMWgEVJ2lxVyNG7EHs-_IUmxMECJn0h8dzZyybmH_yoSZrnOWp7QbPzOmU6d0ErYqmRgBiSE1nDNc9VObQk2PCixyTCsu_OmXDNzzqQQhFBpiGLTDo01RmObZSewujyJFMMYodDNcleqJre1cv6-MTG4vaEV-d_C23Vt9qOBFEKzt9vjUoRiG2K9MOFCPaRzT-YqcAixq5P-WyYyQZ9i2XSsenTNe9Nok_Et0VCopibHSa4CXfW_i3z4QbxfBZRw9nVbAYi7f8eRS_D9pFW-parKXrDvNpBXymFzaQK4NhddKY7n86DI9e5vruaCZRCm5ZQBKE0h_5_wVfNfl-fmKGbX4BA1ZWMSSmWI0QbzF0aPY94Y&smid=url-share

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6207 on: June 07, 2023, 12:19:23 AM »
Certainly not going to make Donald Trump happy tonight': MSNBC host on bombshell Mark Meadows report



The New York Times published a bombshell report that former Donald Trump chief of staff, Mark Meadows, has appeared before the grand jury for both the 2020 election probe as well as the classified documents probe. This could reportedly make Trump very upset.

MSNBC host Ari Melber explained that Meadows was among those on the Trump staff to serve as a representative to the National Archives in the final days of the presidency.

"Then there's this," Melber read from the Times. "And this is new as well. Mark Meadows' lawyer, telling The New York Times that Meadows maintained a commitment to tell the truth where he has a legal obligation to do so. The answer is no, not in MAGA land, not with a president who demands that everyone basically attack everything as a witch-hunt. The obligation to tell the truth, the signal he's sending to people in the probe as well as certainly any prosecutor who might ever judge him is 'I'm on board cooperating.'"

The Times also mentions that, when it comes to the coup plot, Meadows remains a key witness to the special counsel.

"His lawyer seems to think it's a good time to remind everyone he's cooperating, which isn't going to make Donald Trump happy tonight," Melber also said. "And this is all coming out on one of the busiest weeks we've ever seen in the special counsel probe."

Renato Mariotti, former U.S. attorney, told Melber that a key piece of the Jan. 6 Committee's investigation came from Cassidy Hutchinson, who testified last year that she observed many conversations between Meadows and others in the White House ahead of and on Jan. 6. She also testified she witnessed Meadows burning documents once or twice a week.

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