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« Reply #6256 on: June 14, 2023, 05:23:00 AM »
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"He was hunched over at the defense table, his arms crossed, sour expression on his face. What we saw from Trump in court." - Scott MacFarlane CBS News


Reporters reveal the bizarre scene inside the Miami courtroom with Donald Trump



MSNBC's Lisa Rubin was among those reporters that made it into the courtroom ahead of Donald Trump's plea, which means she had a lot of colorful details about the quick arraignment.

She posted a thread online before appearing on air, saying that his close aide Walt Nauta went from being a co-conspirator to a body man, to a defendant and then back to being a body man again.

"If Walt is the new [Allen] Weisselberg, as I have posited before, Molly Michael, who was Trump’s Oval Office executive assistant before moving down to FL with him, just might be the new Cassidy Hutchinson," she tweeted. "The indictment is doused with her texts with Nauta about the location and movement of boxes containing classified documents; she is the one who deemed them the 'beautiful mind boxes,' reflecting how well she understood his intermingling of the mundane and highly sensitive."

Appearing on "Deadline White House," Rubin said that she watched as Trump stared down the audience.

"Trump stood up. All the secret service agents in his protective detail also stood up and flanked him, and they sort of made a formation as they headed to the exit of the courtroom where criminal defendants who are in detention usually enter and exit," she recalled. "I definitely saw Trump. He could have made a beeline for the exit and not looked at anybody in the gallery. Instead, what he did was turn around and stare down all of the reporters on my side of the courtroom as if to scan for a familiar face and maybe some comfort there. But turned toward us with a scowl and very slowly walked along that line of the benches in the courtroom before finally, at the end, turning around, Walt Nauta right behind him, and heading for that defense exit. It was really chilling, you know, from my point of view, never having been in a room with Donald Trump before, to have him sort of stare us all down."

While Rubin was watching that, CBS News reporter Graham Kates told Scott MacFarlane that, from his vantage point, he was watching special counsel Jack Smith.

Smith wasn't behind the bench with the prosecutors. Instead, he was in the audience with the reporters.

Kates also noted that the Justice Department didn't ask for any restrictions for travel either nationally or internationally. Trump was also forced to sign a bond document that says he won't commit any other crimes and that he won't talk to any other witnesses about the case. The bond could be revoked if he breaches the agreement.

Kates said that special counsel Jack Smith "closely watched Trump as Trump exited slowly at the end. He watched Trump glance at reporters sitting in the back. Smith never broke his stare at Trump."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6257 on: June 14, 2023, 09:41:46 AM »
The more surefire sign that Donald Trump’s downfall is assured: how frantically and cartoonishly out of their minds his remaining allies are going in the name of trying to defend him.

Take for instance this apparently very real Fox News chyron from tonight, which multiple news outlets are saying is indeed real.

And this coming from a Republican party and cable "news" channel that tried to steal the presidency from Joe Biden and the majority of Americans.

Faux is basically like Russian state media.


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Fox News ends its 8pm hour w/ the chyron: “wannabe dictator speaks at the White House after having his political rival arrested”

Chyron went away when Hannity took over at 9.




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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6258 on: June 14, 2023, 09:56:31 AM »
E. Jean Carroll can sue Trump for $10m in new defamation case, judge rules
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/13/e-jean-carroll-trump-lawsuit-10m-defamation


Haberman reveals what in the indictment made Trump 'especially rattled'

CNN political analyst Maggie Haberman reveals how former President Trump is reacting to his historic federal indictment stemming from the Department of Justice's classified documents investigation.

Watch: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/06/14/haberman-trump-reaction-indictment-vpx.cnn


Donald Trump Arrested, Booked on Federal Charges in Miami Court for Mishandling Classified Documents



Donald Trump arrived at a federal courthouse in Miami on June 13, where he was placed under arrest and booked on charges relating to mishandling of classified documents. He was arraigned in front of magistrate judge Jonathan Goodman, according to the New York Times.

Trump did not have to take a mug shot, given that there are many pictures of him that could be used for identification purposes, but he did have to submit digital fingerprints and share his social security number and date of birth during the booking process.

The former president has been accused of trying to hide and lying about classified documents in an indictment that was filed on June 8. Trump formally entered a plea of “not guilty” to special counsel Jack Smith’s 37 charges tied to the documents.

Walt Nauta, who is Trump’s personal aide, was also at the federal court, as he was also accused of lying to investigators and hiding boxes with confidential paperwork. Nauta did not enter a plea but was rather granted an extension until June 27 in order to find local representation.

https://variety.com/2023/politics/news/donald-trump-arrested-arraigned-miami-classified-documents-1235642478/


Donald Trump arrested & facing prison: See Trump destroy Trump: O’Donnell - Melber breakdown

The U.S. government arrested and booked Donald Trump on charges related to the alleged mishandling of classified documents. Donald Trump pleaded not guilty to all charges. MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell tells Ari Melber on “The Beat” that “this is not an ignorance against the law case,” adding Special Counsel Jack Smith is “using Donald Trump against Donald Trump.”

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« Reply #6259 on: June 14, 2023, 10:15:13 PM »
'Scared' Trump is being held accountable 'for the first time in his life': former White House official

Former Trump White House chief of staff John Kelly had some blunt words to describe his one-time boss's state of mind in the wake of his indictment and arraignment in the Mar-a-Lago documents case.

In an interview with the Washington Post, Kelly said that Trump appears to be "scared s***less" and then went on to describe why he thinks this is the case.

"For the first time in his life, it looks like he’s being held accountable," Kelly said. "Up until this point in his life, it’s like, I’m not going to pay you, take me to court. He’s never been held accountable before."

Kelly is one of many former Trump officials who has said that he faces real peril from his decision to bring nuclear secrets with him down to Mar-a-Lago and then refusing to give them back even after being served a lawful subpoena.

Former Trump Attorney General Bill Barr over the weekend said Trump was "toast" if the Department of Justice could prove even half of what its indictment alleged, while former national security adviser John Bolton similarly said that Trump had committed very serious crimes if what the DOJ alleges is true.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-crimes-2661305767/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6260 on: June 15, 2023, 10:17:32 AM »
Trump's defenders never proclaim his innocence because they all know he's guilty. All they do is falsely attack Democrats and the justice system for "hating him" or "playing partisan politics". That gets old. The fact is, Donald Trump is a criminal and got caught stealing top secret classified documents and he refused to give them back. That's why he's been indicted for espionage and on his way to prison.

It has nothing to do with people "hating Trump" or it being "politicized", it has to do with Trump stealing top secret nuclear documents and stashing them at his residence. Anyone would be prosecuted for this severe crime. Republicans want to turn it "political" because that's the only weak defense they can use for their feeble argument.     


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Trump attorney Alina Habba delivers a political defense of the former president rather than a legal one. "What she didn't say is, 'My client didn't do any of the things alleged in those detailed accounts," CBS News' @jdickerson reports. "She went way over to the political realm."



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« Reply #6261 on: June 15, 2023, 10:30:40 AM »
Trump lawyer Todd Blanche sued for malpractice

A lawyer representing Donald Trump in multiple cases is facing legal troubles of his own, New York Law Journal reports.

Todd Blanche and his former law firm, Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft, are being sued for malpractice by twin brothers Adam Kaplan and Daniel Kaplan, who allege Blanche and Cadwalader forged their signatures on a retainer agreement and “severely” overbilled them while they were the subject of a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission probe.

The Kaplan brothers also reportedly allege their former attorneys are now refusing to turn over their case file to their new lawyers.

People Magazine reports that “Blanche's move to represent Trump came as the politician reportedly struggled to assemble a team of respected defense lawyers, the Washington Post reported in April. Retaining counsel for his arraignment on Tuesday appeared just as challenging, a trust legal source tells PEOPLE.”

Read More Here: https://people.com/politics/all-about-todd-blanche-donald-trump-attorney/



'They're Mine': New details of Trump feud with lawyers revealed in latest report



In the fall of 2022 an attorney representing Donald Trump sought to avert charges in the classified documents case by negotiating a settlement with the Justice Department, but Christopher Kise never got the chance.

His plan to “take the temperature down” was rejected by the former president, The Washington Post reports.

Josh Dawsey and Jacqueline Alemany write for The Post that “That quiet entreaty last fall was one of many occasions when lawyers and advisers sought to get Trump to take a more cooperative stance in a bid to avoid what happened Friday. The Justice Department unsealed an indictment including more than three dozen criminal counts against Trump for allegedly keeping and hiding classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Florida.”

Former Trump attorney Alex Cannon in the fall of 2021 repeatedly urged the former president to return documents to the National Archives, according to the report, which notes that he repeatedly admonished him that he was required to do so.

His warning to Trump that the National Archives threatened to go to Congress or the Justice Department if Trump declined to return the documents was brushed off by the former president, the report said.

“It’s mine,” Trump said, according to the report.

As the National Archives ramped up pressure on Trump to return the documents, the former president grew defiant according to the report, which notes he brought in new years, including Evan Corcoran.

Corcoran has since provided testimony that’s central to the case against Trump indicating the former president urged him to “stonewall” or decline to comply with a subpoena.

“I really don’t want anybody looking through my boxes, I really don’t, I don’t want you looking through my boxes,” he said, Corcoran is cited in the indictment as saying.

Trump also said, according to Corcoran’s testimony, “Well, what if we, what happens if we just don’t respond at all or don’t play ball with them?” and “Wouldn’t it be better if we just told them we don’t have anything there?”

Read More Here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/14/trump-indictment-classified-documents-settlement/



Harvard psychiatrist gives psychological reasons for Trump keeping those documents



Donald Trump held on to important classified documents in part because they made him feel "greater in his own mind," a retired Harvard psychiatry professor said on Wednesday.

Dr. Lance Dodes, a retired assistant clinical professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who previously broke down Trump's "severe, continuous, mental disturbance" for Raw Story, appeared on MSNBC's The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell to discuss Trump's mental state following his first federal indictment. O'Donnell asked if there was "a psychiatric explanation for why he kept those documents after the federal government demanded them and his attorneys told him to give them back."

"My guess would be that it makes greater in his own mind," Dodes said. "Now, he has secret documents, which he had when he was president, but if he loses the presidency, at least he has the secret documents."

Dodes added that, "It's like having a badge on your four years old that says you're a secret policeman."

"I think it's something like that. He needs it for himself," he explained.

Dodes further predicted that, as Trump's legal troubles continue to grow, he will "look worse and worse."

"That is the psychiatric explanation. He is fundamentally different from normal people. We'll see more and more of that," the psychoanalyst said.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6262 on: June 16, 2023, 12:44:28 AM »
Trump documents probe the 'biggest criminal case in US history': former prosecutor

Former federal prosecutor Kristy Greenberg, who served as the deputy chief of the criminal division at the United States Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, spoke with MSNBC host Ari Melber on Wednesday's edition of The Beat about the Justice Department's thirty-seven-count indictment against former President Donald Trump.

Trump was charged last week by special counsel Jack Smith for his allegedly unlawful retention of classified documents that he brought from the White House to his Mar-a-Lago golf club in Palm Beach, Florida. Of the thirty-seven felonies listed in the complaint, thirty-one constitute Trump's accused violations of the Espionage Act. Trump could, in theory, spend the rest of his life in prison if he is convicted.

During her discussion with Melber, Greenberg noted the unprecedented nature of Trump's legal predicament and implied that he is making it worse for himself by ignoring the advice of his lawyers:

"In this situation, you would hope that Donald Trump is listening to his defense attorneys. But right now he doesn't have his full defense team, which begs the question of why is it so hard to get a defense attorney for what is going to be the biggest criminal case in US history, right? But lawyers don't wanna work for free. They wanna get paid. They don't wanna end up on the witness stand when a client asks them to break the law and they also don't wanna risk their law license or their liberty by actually potentially being engaging in any kind of crimes."

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« Reply #6263 on: June 16, 2023, 09:54:23 AM »
Lawyer still representing Trump might be key witness in classified documents case



MIAMI — When a federal magistrate judge imposed a “special condition” on Donald Trump’s bond that he could not communicate with witnesses in his classified documents case in Miami, the former president’s defense attorney objected and said that it would be “unworkable” because some of them still interact with Trump every day.

But defense attorney Todd Blanche was not just referring to Secret Service agents and Trump personnel, including one potential witness, co-defendant Walt Nauta, a former White House aide who still works for Trump as an assistant at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach. Blanche also briefly alluded to an unnamed lawyer still employed by Trump.

“One of the key witnesses that we know is still the president’s lawyer,” Blanche said Tuesday in Miami federal court, without naming the attorney. “So a special condition that President Trump cannot communicate with his lawyer, obviously doesn’t work, respectfully, your honor.”

At Tuesday’s arraignment, Magistrate Judge Jonathan Goodman ruled as a condition that Trump and Nauta cannot communicate with witnesses about the case, asking the Justice Department’s special counsel to create a list of people who might testify at trial. The unidentified lawyer for Trump is Evan Corcoran, who is certain to be on the government’s witness list for trial because of his role in gathering classified documents at Mar-a-Lago for a federal grand jury subpoena issued in May 2022, legal experts said. The reason: Corcoran was already ordered by a federal judge to testify in March before a grand jury in Washington, D.C., after the judge found that special counsel Jack Smith had presented sufficient evidence to establish that Trump committed a crime through his attorneys, an exception to the privileged communications between them, according to published reports.

"He’s an extremely important witness because his representations to the government were predicated on what he was told by his client, Donald Trump,” said Miami criminal defense attorney Dennis Kainen, who is a past president of the Miami-Dade Bar Association and former member of the Florida Bar Board of Governors. “To the extent that the government has to prove criminal intent by Donald Trump, it is a good way to do that through the direct words of a defendant as told to his lawyer.

“It’s going to be hard for Donald Trump to walk that back. It is direct knowledge of what Trump said and knew about the classified documents."

Corcoran, a former federal prosecutor turned defense attorney in the Washington, D.C., area was representing the former president when the Justice Department and FBI demanded that Trump turn over classified documents that he had moved from the White House to Mar-a-Lago. Corcoran, who testified before the grand jury in March, is identified as “Attorney 1” in the indictment charging Trump with willfully retaining national defense information in violation of the Espionage Act, conspiring to obstruct justice and making a false statement in connection with the government’s subpoena for records.

There is likely to be an intense battle over Corcoran’s testifying as a witness for the government in the Trump documents case, which is being tried in South Florida because the 37-count indictment returned against him was ultimately voted on by a federal grand jury in Miami.

Typically, lawyers cannot be compelled to testify or produce evidence against a client in a grand jury or at trial. But in rare cases, judges can require such testimony if there is evidence that a client’s communication with their lawyers was done purposely to further a crime or a fraud. In the law, it is known as the crime-fraud exception to the attorney-client privilege. While the privilege belongs to Trump, in this instance, if the former president was using his lawyer, Corcoran, to withhold classified documents from the U.S. government, then Corcoran would no longer be bound from testifying about that part of his privileged communications with Trump.

“The defense is going to move to exclude his testimony based on attorney-client privilege,” said Kainen, who represents white-collar defendants. “A judge has already ruled on that issue as it relates to Corcoran testifying before the grand jury. The government (prosecutors) relied on this witness’ testimony for the grand jury and indictment. But the government now needs to call this witness for trial and the defense will certainly file a motion in limine (an early request that his testimony be excluded) as a violation of attorney-client privilege."

In the obstruction conspiracy count, Trump is accused of misleading Attorney 1 — Corcoran — who represented the former president as the lawyer tried to compile classified documents at Mar-a-Lago for the subpoena a year ago. At Trump’s direction, Nauta assisted the former president in this task by moving 64 boxes including some classified documents from a storage room to Trump’s residence and then brought back only 30 of those boxes to the storage room, according to the indictment. On June 2, 2022, Attorney 1 checked the boxes in the storage room and found 38 classified records and set those aside in a folder to turn over to federal investigators.

After Attorney 1 finished sealing the folder with the documents, Nauta took the lawyer to meet with Trump in the dining room at Mar-a-Lago, the indictment said. After the lawyer confirmed his search of the boxes in the storage area, Trump said to him: “Did you find anything? ... Is it bad? Good?"

Trump and Attorney 1 discussed what to do with the folder and whether the lawyer should bring them to his hotel and put them in a safe, the indictment said.

“During that conversation, Trump made a plucking motion, as memorialized by Trump Attorney 1,” the indictment said. “He made a funny motion as though — well okay why don’t you take them with you to your hotel and if there’s anything really bad in there, like, you know, pluck it out,” Attorney 1 memorialized the conversation, as noted in the indictment. “And that was the motion that he made. He didn’t say that.”

On the evening of June 2, 2022, Attorney 1 contacted the Justice Department and asked that an FBI agent meet him at Mar-a-Lago the next day to retrieve the classified documents in response to the subpoena.

However, unsatisfied with the response, the Justice Department obtained a search warrant based on video surveillance of the documents being moved around at Trump’s residence and directed an FBI raid of the Palm Beach estate and club last August, when agents discovered 102 additional government records containing national defense, weapons and nuclear information still on his property. The seizure of those records, which Trump had removed from the White House when he left office in January 2021, form the foundation of the special counsel’s criminal case along with the obstruction charge.

In the indictment, Trump is charged with deliberately keeping documents with classified markings at his Palm Beach estate. It also cites two occasions during the summer of 2021 when the former president allegedly shared classified information about a Defense Department plan to attack a foreign country with a writer, publisher and two staffers at his Bedminster Club in New Jersey. He is also accused of showing a classified map about a U.S. military operation to a representative of his political action committee. But Trump’s sharing that sensitive information is not among the 31 counts alleging violations of the Espionage Act.

"The classified documents Trump stored in the boxes included information regarding defense and weapons capabilities of both the U.S. and foreign countries; United States nuclear programs; potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack; and plans for possible retaliation to a foreign attack,” according to the indictment. It noted that the former president stored them in various locations at Mar-a-Lago, including a ballroom, a bathroom and shower, an office, his bedroom and a storage room.

Corcoran would likely be questioned on the witness stand about the locations of the documents and their movements by prosecutors working with the Justice Department’s special counsel and by Trump’s defense lawyers on cross-examination — assuming he is compelled by a judge to testify at trial. U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon, nominated by Trump, is among the newest additions to the federal bench in South Florida and has been randomly assigned to the documents case.

"It’s fascinating that he’s still a lawyer for Trump and didn’t withdraw,” said Miami white-collar defense attorney Mark Schnapp, a former federal prosecutor in South Florida, referring to Corcoran. “He testified to the grand jury about what Trump told him. He’s probably the most important witness in the case, but he may have a different view of the evidence than what’s presented in the indictment.”

In recent years, Schnapp and other legal experts noted, Justice Department prosecutors have become increasingly aggressive toward lawyers in efforts to pierce the veil of attorney-client privilege. Schnapp cited a compelling example: In 2016, two prominent lawyers were brought before a federal grand jury and directed to provide documents and testimony about conversations they had with a wealthy client.

They were partners at Williams & Connolly, the prestigious Washington law firm, representing Morris Zukerman, a former Morgan Stanley banker and oil investor. Zukerman was accused of failing to pay $45 million in income and sales taxes on works of art and profits from the sale of an oil company.

The two lawyers from Williams & Connolly, James A. Bruton III and James T. Fuller III, both seasoned white-collar defense lawyers, had been ordered by a Manhattan federal judge to appear before the grand jury that was investigating Zukerman to determine whether he had used the lawyers during the course of an IRS audit and inquiry to conceal his activities, according to The New York Times

Prosecutors, in a filing with the court, said Zukerman had the lawyers prepare “a tax protest letter” that challenged “certain audit determinations previously made by an IRS auditor.” In 2017, Zukerman was sentenced to five years and 10 months in prison after pleading guilty to engaging in a scheme to avoid paying income and other taxes.

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