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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6264 on: June 16, 2023, 09:59:50 AM »
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'Road to hell is paved with good intentions': DOJ blasted for special treatment of Trump

Legal eagle Andrew Weissmann attacked his former employer, the U.S. Justice Department, for what he called going above and beyond to accommodate Donald Trump.

"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions," Weissmann explained, speaking to MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace on Thursday.

"I think if you go down the road of trying to accommodate Donald Trump in a way that is inconsistent with what you do with anyone else without there being a reason, he's protected by the Secret Service. That's fine to take that into account because it's different," said Weissmann.

"If you take this as an example, a small example, but it's still an example of the actual first arraignment where the magistrate was not setting standard conditions ...A standard condition is you cannot talk to witnesses. That's where the government just has to bite the bullet.

"That is a really inappropriate accommodation in this case because the indictment itself charges that he tried to solicit obstruction of justice from his own counsel [Evan Corcoran] and from Mr. [Walt] Nauta," said Weissmann. "And so it's not like there's some factual reason to say it's inappropriate here. I just think that's where you just have to live and die by the norms, exactly. And it doesn't stop Donald Trump from saying I'm being vilified and I'm being victimized. He's going to say that no matter what."

It would be better now for the DOJ to admit that they've treated Trump more favorably, he explained.

"That's not a great look either," continued Weissmann. "How about treating him like everyone else?"

Over the course of the past few days, Trump has alleged that he's the victim of a two-tiered justice system. Observers agree, saying he's being treated more favorably with a "platinum arraignment."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6265 on: June 16, 2023, 08:36:14 PM »
Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney

JUST IN: Jim TRUSTY, who dropped off of Trump's criminal defense team last week, is now withdrawing from Trump's lawsuit against CNN, citing "irreconcilable differences" with his client. https://documentcloud.org/documents/23850119-trusty



NEW: A week after Jim TRUSTY quit Trump's criminal defense team, he withdrew from a civil case representing Trump as well, citing "irreconcilable differences."

Trump attorney quits another case, cites ‘irreconcilable differences’
The departure of Jim Trusty from a defamation case that Trump filed is the latest shake-up in his legal team.

Read: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/16/trump-attorney-trusty-resigns-00102408

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6266 on: June 17, 2023, 08:42:59 AM »
Trump can't blame Dems for criminal case because most witnesses are insiders: former prosecutor

Donald Trump won't be able to take his usual route of blaming Democrats in his upcoming criminal trial for handling of classified documents because the primary witnesses in the indictment are from the former president's inner circle, a former federal prosecutor said Friday night.

Former prosecutor Glenn Kirschner appeared on MSNBC to discuss Trump's criminal case, and was asked about the court order limiting Trump from discussing the case with his co-defendant, Walt Nauta, and other witnesses close to him. Kirschner said such an order would likely be unenforceable, but pointed out that those witnesses would be key to crushing Trump's favorite defense.

"Who's going to report a violation of that? Not Walt, not Donald. So I wonder the efficacy of a court order or prohibition like that," he said, adding that there was a separate "great point about the witnesses who we saw in the indictment."

"They weren't named, but they were identified. Some of the most sharply incriminating witnesses against Donald Trump are who? Trump lawyer number one, Trump lawyer number two, Trump lawyer number three, Trump employee number one, number two," said Kirschner during his Friday appearance on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell. "Donald Trump loves to complain that the people who are always going after him are an angry group of Democrats. Well you know what? he's not going to have that complaint available to him at his criminal trial because it's going to be his lawyers and former lawyers, his employees, his former employees, who are providing the lion's share of the incriminating information. Boy, that makes it very tough to mount a defense that all the prosecution witnesses are out to get him."






'The dam will break': former Trump communications chief predicts voters will abandon Trump

As legal troubles continue to amass for Donald Trump and the former president deflects concerns to his opponents, eventually the "dam will break" and Trump will be left high and dry by his supporters, according to his previous white house communications chief.

Anthony Scaramucci, who recently said Trump was a grifter who "really wants to hurt people," was on a Friday night CNN panel when he was asked what he thinks about those currently surrounding Trump. He said a lot of the individuals who have separated from Trump, including his attorneys, did so because "he wants asymmetric loyalty."

"He wants you to do things that are reckless that are borderline criminal, if not criminal. And he wants you to defend him religiously like some of the nut cases still working for him," Scaramucci said. "If you love the country and you love yourself, you have to speak out against this sort of stuff and you have to explain to the American people how wrong his actions are."

Scaramucci further noted that Trump "deserves his day in court on these allegations for sure," but added that he wants people to think about all Trump's legal woes taken together.

"I think ultimately the dam will break here, and the American people or the MAGA voters, hopefully they'll look for a different solution and not him."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6267 on: June 17, 2023, 08:53:31 AM »
Jack Smith seeks order to protect info on 'uncharged individuals' in classified docs case

Special counsel Jack Smith has filed a motion seeking a protective order to govern discovery in the classified documents case against former President Donald Trump.

Smith cited ongoing investigations that could be compromised along with the potential of releasing identifying information about people who haven’t been charged in his request for the protective order for the disclosure of sensitive material.

Attorneys for Trump and co-defendant Waltine Nauta were notified of the proposal and voiced no objections, according to the filing.

“The government is ready to provide unclassified discovery to the defense,” the filing says.

“The discovery materials include sensitive and confidential information, including the following: personal identifiable information covered by Rule 49.1 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure; information that reveals sensitive but unclassified investigative techniques, non-public information relating to potential witnesses and other third parties (including grand jury transcripts and exhibits and recordings of witness interviews); financial information of third parties: third-party location information; and personal information contained on electronic devices and accounts."

“The materials also include information pertaining to ongoing investigations, the disclosure of which could compromise those investigations and identify uncharged individuals", the filing states.

“As a result, the government proposes protections against the dissemination of discovery materials and the sensitive information they contain. Accompanying this motion is a proposed protective order that will protect against unauthorized disclosure of sensitive information, while allowing the defense to use the materials in preparation for their defense.”





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Trump ran for the 2024 GOP nomination because he thought it would save him from prosecution: former WH official

When former President Donald Trump announced his bid to retake the White House in 2024, he was motivated at least partly by the hope it would prevent him from being prosecuted.

That's the belief of former White House Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Matthews, who expounded on her theory in a CNN panel on Friday discussing the former president's Espionage Act indictment over the boxes of highly classified national defense information hoarded at Mar-a-Lago.

"We heard from the former President Trump on his social platform today," said anchor Phil Mattingly. "He wrote, quote, 'Indictment must be immediately withdrawn by the Injustice Department and with apology.' Sarah, of course, you worked alongside the former president. Do you think that he's doing this as a politician running for president, or that he genuinely believes that he did nothing wrong?"

She replied, "I think he jumped in the 2024 race because he knew he was facing legal trouble and he thought it would be a shield for him. Now that he's in the race, he's going to try to shift blame and make different excuses, that this is politicization and DOJ is being weaponized."

Notably, even if this is the case, Trump's strategists reportedly hoped the indictment would bring in cash and possibly even help him in polling — although it hasn't quite worked out that way.

The ultimate irony, Matthews added, is that Trump didn't need to put himself in this position in the first place.

"The truth of the matter is with this case in particular, Donald Trump could have avoided in indictment altogether had he just listened to his lawyers and given the documents back. This is 100 percent self-inflicted."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6268 on: June 17, 2023, 09:23:44 AM »
"Donald Trump is a traitor”: Former Republican blasts Trump over indictment

Despite a second criminal indictment, the GOP is largely standing by Trump. Mehdi’s panel talks about the politics and national security implications of the classified docs case…and former Republican Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh does not mince his words.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6269 on: June 17, 2023, 10:00:44 AM »
The Associated Press has an excellent timeline of the entire Trump classified documents scandal and indictment. Well worth the read. 

A timeline of events leading to Donald Trump’s indictment in the classified documents case
https://apnews.com/article/trump-documents-investigation-timeline-087f0c9a8368bb983a16b67dd31dcd4c

Donald Trump stored, showed off and refused to return classified documents, indictment says
https://apnews.com/article/trump-justice-department-indictment-classified-documents-miami-8315a5b23c18f27083ed64eef21efff3

Key moments in Trump indictment: Flaunting classified material, stowing boxes in Mar-a-Lago bathroom
https://apnews.com/article/trump-florida-indictment-highlights-857476c71e98e91521212a826efc8816


This witness testimony was critical in Trump indictment, according to one attorney

CNN's Zack Cohen breaks down the details of the federal indictment filed against former President Donald Trump, and CNN's Amara Walker discusses with Palm Beach County state attorney Dave Aronberg.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6270 on: June 17, 2023, 10:51:19 PM »
Trump lawyers put on notice by Jack Smith of more legal moves to come



In a legal filing made late Friday, attorneys working for special counsel Jack Smith notified the court that information they will be handing over to Donald Trump's attorneys as part of the discovery process will contain some information on "ongoing investigations" that could lead to new charges.

According to a report from Alan Feuer of the New York Times, those documents also contain information about "uncharged individuals.”

Now that the former president has been arraigned in a Florida courtroom on 37 federal counts that include alleged violations of the Espionage Actviolations of the Espionage Act, prosecutors are pressing forward with normal court procedures and the notice given on Friday puts Trump's lawyers on notice that there is likely more to come.

As Feuer wrote, "...the reference to continuing investigations was the first overt suggestion — however vague — that other criminal cases could emerge from the work that the special counsel Jack Smith has done in bringing the Espionage Act and obstruction indictment against Mr. Trump in Miami last week."

The Times report notes that the mention of "ongoing investigations" likely are related to Smith's inquiry into the events of Jan 6th when the former president helped incite an insurrection at the Capitol where protestors attempted to halt the certification of the 2020 presidential election that Trump lost.

The Times is reporting, "The government’s motion for a protective order, which Mr. Trump’s lawyers did not oppose, said that prosecutors were ready to start turning over a trove of nonclassified evidence that they had collected during the documents investigation," then adding, "It also sought to restrict disclosure of the evidence to Mr. Trump’s legal team; to people who might be interviewed as witnesses and their lawyers; and to any others who were specifically authorized by the court."

You can read more here: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/16/us/politics/trump-documents-case.html



Somebody is going to have to pull a trigger' to stop Trump prosecutions: Fox News guest Curt Schilling



Retired Major League Baseball pitcher-turned-right-wing commentator Curt Schilling told Fox News host Jesse Watters on Friday that "somebody is going to have to pull a trigger" in retaliation to the criminal charges that were filed against former President Donald Trump by United States Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith.

"The problem is Jesse, you know, if you look at, you know, I love coming on this show. I love talking to you. I love what you've done, what you're doing with your voice, but the fact of the matter is, you know, I'm tired of listening to Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz and Dan Crenshaw and these people talk. Talk. Talk — that's all they're doing. They're talking," Schilling crowed on Jesse Watters Primetime.

"We're up against a side and a force that doesn't play by the rules, refuses to play by the rules, just look no further than the unconstitutional thing going with former President Trump and we're not doing anything about it. We're talking about it, and we get excited and we get emotional. That's it," Schilling carped. "They break the law and they do the things they need to do to ensure their agenda is driven forward and we're watching them gut our nation from the inside out. And I don't know where the rubber is going to meet the road because it's a true sacrifice. mean, you look at the guys, the young men that signed the Constitution and all the things that they sacrificed everything to come out from under a tyrannical government, and then eventually at some point, there was a man at Concord who decided he was going to pull the trigger. And I feel like we're getting back to a point where somebody is going to have to pull a trigger because everything we hold dear, everything this country was founded on is being just dragged through the mud and mocked and made fun of. This country was founded on Godly principles. No matter how offensive that is to the left, it's true."

Watters was momentarily taken aback.

"Well, I'm going to assume you mean 'pull the trigger' metaphorically?" he asked.

"Absolutely, well, no," Schilling replied. "I mean, it doesn't matter if I say metaphorically because they're going to run with that quote no matter how I put it. I could have phrased it in any possible way saying, 'Stand up and fight and blah blah blah,' and I would be inciting a riot while Maxine Waters says, 'Get in their face and beat the hell out of them' publicly."

Watters concurred.

"No, I understand," Watters said. "I've said this to Jim Jordan. I've said this to these congressmen. They throw a subpoena around. They fire off a really bold letter, 'Gotcha.' Republicans need to go on the warpath. And that means that you got to use every tool necessary. They got to do what's being done to them because that's the only way this is gonna stop."

Schilling then added that "the problem is that the left's winning because they're relying — the left is relying on our morals and ethics. They know we'll play by the rules. They know we'll follow the laws. And they're not playing. It's like we're fighting our own war.

Watters responded by proclaiming that "we're too good for our own good. Yeah, I get it."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6271 on: June 18, 2023, 10:31:22 AM »
New Jack Smith filing points to more indictments coming against Trump team: ex-Watergate prosecutor

Donald Trump and his team should brace for new indictments incoming based on a new filing in the criminal case brought by Jack Smith, a former Watergate prosecutor said on Saturday.

Jill Wine-Banks, who served as a prosecutor during the Watergate scandal and was also the first female general counsel of the Army, appeared on MSNBC's Ayman on Saturday. She was asked about the recent filing in which Jack Smith mentions "ongoing investigations."

"What do you make of that motion filed by the special counsel Jack Smith, and its reference to material regarding quote, ongoing investigations?" the host asked.

Wine-Banks said that the reference made it much more likely that another indictment is coming from one angle or another.

"Of course, that raises the probability that Jack Smith and his team are going to have additional indictments. Whether that is for the January 6th, whether that is just adding additional people to the Mar-a-Lago documents case, or a third possibility, we don't know."

She added that it is "ironic that there are no defenses, basically, to the case that's already been brought."

"And so, there's always a rule for trial lawyers that if the law is on your side, stress the law. if the facts are on your side, stress the facts. And if neither is on your side, pound the table. And I'm afraid the defense lawyers to the extent that he has any, are going to have to pound the table. Because they don't have law or facts on their side."

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