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Grand jurors who will consider Trump charges to be selected Tuesday



The selection of two Fulton County grand juries will be made Tuesday, with one of the panels expected to decide whether to hand up an indictment for alleged criminal interference in the 2020 presidential election.

One set of jurors is likely to be asked to bring formal charges against former President Donald Trump and other well-known political and legal figures. In a letter to county officials almost two months ago, District Attorney Fani Willis indicated the indictment could be obtained at some point between July 31 and Aug. 18.

Willis began her investigation shortly after hearing the leaked Jan. 2, 2021, phone call in which Trump asked Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to “find” the 11,780 votes he needed to defeat Joe Biden in Georgia. She later convened a special purpose grand jury which examined evidence and heard testimony over an almost eight-month period. Its final report, only part of which has been made public, recommended multiple people be indicted for alleged crimes.

Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney, who oversaw the special purpose grand jury, will preside over Tuesday’s selection of the two grand juries for this term of court.

Each panel will have 23 grand jurors, plus three alternates. One panel will meet Mondays and Tuesdays, the other Thursdays and Fridays. Both will work in secret and are expected to decide whether to hand up indictments in hundreds of cases. It is unclear which one will consider the much-anticipated election-meddling case.

When a grand jury meets, at least 16 members must be present to conduct business. At least 12 grand jurors must vote to bring an indictment. The burden of proof is much lower for a grand jury to indict someone than it is for a jury to convict or acquit someone and grand jurors typically hear only from the prosecution.

“What an awesome responsibility they will have, a responsibility no other group of Georgia citizens has ever dealt with — the potential indictment of a former president,” Atlanta attorney Ed Garland said. “This is a case that has been saturated in the media with political overtones, so it is imperative for them to be fair and impartial and for our judicial system to live up to its ideals.”

If Trump is charged here, it will mark the third indictment against him. In April, a grand jury in Manhattan indicted the former president for allegedly falsifying business records involving payoffs to porn star Stormy Daniels. Last month, a federal grand jury in Florida indicted Trump for 37 counts over his alleged mishandling classified government documents and obstruction of the Justice Department’s investigation.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/grand-jurors-who-will-consider-trump-charges-to-be-selected-tuesday/R7RXC2GUFRB5JLHKKRE5LX4IZ4/



Grand jury handling potential indictments in Trump 2020 probe to be selected in Atlanta



Atlanta CNN — The Georgia grand jury that is expected to consider charges against former President Donald Trump and his Republican allies for trying to overturn the 2020 election will be selected Tuesday in Atlanta.

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, an elected Democrat, launched the investigation in early 2021, after Trump tried to overturn his defeat in the Peach State with a public and private pressure campaign targeting Georgia election officials, the governor, lawmakers and prosecutors.

A special grand jury previously heard testimony from 75 witnesses, including Trump advisers, his former attorneys, White House aides, and Georgia officials. That panel issued a redacted report with charging recommendations, which will soon be weighed by the new grand jury. Willis has indicated that final decisions could come next month.

Throughout the investigation, Trump has vehemently denied wrongdoing, as have his allies who are also under scrutiny. The former president has lashed out at Willis, who is Black, calling her “racist” and a “lunatic Marxist.”

Here’s a breakdown of what to expect:

What is happening on Tuesday?

The new grand jury term begins Tuesday in Fulton County, which includes most of Atlanta and some suburbs.

Two panels will be selected at the downtown Atlanta courthouse, and each panel will have 26 participants: 23 grand jurors and three alternates. One of these panels is expected to handle the Trump probe.

Fulton County Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney will preside over the court proceedings on Tuesday. He oversaw the special grand jury that collected evidence in the Trump investigation, and he is also expected to oversee the grand jury that is tasked with making charging decisions in the case.

The pool of potential grand jurors will be screened for scheduling conflicts and hardships of serving. Cameras are allowed in the courtroom, though it’s unclear how much of the proceedings will be public.

President Joe Biden won about 73% of the vote in 2020 in Fulton County. It is a racially diverse county, where nearly half of the population is Black.

When might indictments come?

All signs are pointing to final charging decisions coming sometime in August.

Willis announced remote workdays for staff in August and asked judges to reduce in-person hearings, likely out of security concerns. She previously alerted local police that possible charges would be announced between July 11 and September 1.

To secure an indictment in the Trump investigation, 16 of the 23 voting grand jury members would need to be present. Once that quorum is established, 12 votes would be needed to hand up an indictment.

The Fulton County sheriff’s office is taking the possibility of high-profile indictments very seriously. They sent teams to New York and Miami to study the security protocols for Trump’s two previous arraignments this year.

Which charges might be brought?

Early on, Willis said she was investigating “attempts to influence the administration of the 2020 Georgia General Election.” Her inquiry has steadily expanded over the years, and now covers a lot of ground.

Willis has said her team was considering a wide array of potential crimes.

This included solicitation of election fraud, making false statements to state and local government bodies, conspiracy, racketeering, violation of an oath-of-office, and involvement in election-related threats.

CNN reported in March that prosecutors were eying racketeering and conspiracy charges.

Prosecutors have notified some key players that they are targets of the investigation. This includes Trump’s ex-attorney Rudy Giuliani and 16 GOP activists who served as “fake electors,” including the Georgia Republican Party chairman. As the probe picked up steam last year, multiple fake electors decided to cooperate with prosecutors.

What is the investigation about?

After Trump lost the election in Georgia, he launched a multi-pronged effort to overturn the results. This included a pressure campaign targeting key state officials who oversaw the election, including Gov. Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, both Republicans. Trump wanted them to abuse their powers to “find” enough votes to flip the results, or to block Biden’s win from being certified. They refused.

When these efforts failed, Trump urged Georgia state lawmakers to convene a special session to overturn Biden’s victory. Trump allies, including Giuliani, presented bogus claims of voter fraud to the state House and Senate. The Trump campaign, along with outside lawyers who supported their cause, filed meritless lawsuits that unsuccessfully tried to nullify Biden’s victory.

At the same time, Trump tried to weaponize the Justice Department to help him intervene in the Georgia election. He tried to cajole top Justice Department officials and federal prosecutors in Atlanta into falsely claiming that the election was “corrupt” and that Biden’s victory was tainted by massive fraud.

The Trump campaign also recruited a group of GOP activists in Georgia to serve as fake electors, who were part of a seven-state scheme to undermine the Electoral College process. These fake electors played a key role in Trump’s ill-fated plot to block the election from being certified on January 6, 2021.

There were also efforts by Trump supporters to breach a voting system in Georgia, in hopes of proving that the election was rigged and somehow keep Trump in office. Some Trump supporters also allegedly tried to pressure a Fulton County election worker to falsely admit there was massive fraud in 2020.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/11/politics/fulton-county-grand-jury-selection/index.html



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« Reply #6401 on: July 11, 2023, 01:29:48 PM »
Record crowds in SC for President Trump.  Meanwhile more stories about Old Joe abusing his staff.  Add that Cocainegate, strippers, and Dirty Hunter and it has been a very bad couple of weeks for Biden, Inc. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6402 on: July 12, 2023, 09:01:38 AM »
Trump’s Dominance in the GOP Isn’t What It Seems

The Republican Party hasn’t exactly flourished under Trump’s leadership.

The elections of 2018, 2020 and 2022 have all been disappointing for the GOP. He never commanded the majorities that Ronald Reagan or even George W. Bush did, and his brand continues to thin out Republican ranks, particularly in the suburbs. Trump’s only real success was giving his brand of politics a label that was synonymous with his name, and making everyone else in the party submit to him.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/05/18/donald-trump-paradox-gop-00097458



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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6403 on: July 12, 2023, 09:18:14 AM »
The biggest failure in American history is Donald Trump and his COVID-19 failure.

Donald Trump had the perfect opportunity to hold China accountable for their disastrous response to the COVID pandemic. But what did weak and cowardly Donald Trump do? He praised China every chance he got. 15 times Donnie praised China because he is weak. A tough leader would have held China accountable but not Donald Trump....absolutely pathetic.

In case you forgot, take a trip back to early 2020.         


15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe
The president has lambasted the WHO for accepting Beijing’s assurances about the outbreak, but he repeated them, as well.
04/15/20

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/trump-china-coronavirus-188736

Trump Hopes You Forget How He Praised China And The WHO Before Blaming Them
For months, the president applauded China’s coronavirus response before he and his reelection team flipped to blaming that country.
May 19, 2020
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-china-reversal-coronavirus-blame_n_5ec44c7bc5b61e42ad3d8876

'For the love of God, don't do that': Trump's HHS secretary begged him not to praise the Chinese president's pandemic response on Twitter
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Jamie Raskin nails GOP at Covid hearing: Lab leak 'would only deepen Trump's culpability'

Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) warned Republicans that former President Donald Trump's culpability for Covid-19 deaths "would only deepen" if their theory about a lab leak in China was true.

Raskin made the remarks during a Tuesday House Oversight hearing into the origins of Covid-19.

"We are all interested in finding out the origins of the Covid-19 epidemic to make sure that such a nightmare never happens again to us," Raskin began. "Some people think that the finding that it all started with a lab leak would somehow absolve Donald Trump of his lethally reckless response to the pandemic. Of course, his response was dangerously dysfunctional regardless of how it got started."

The Maryland Democrat pointed out that Trump's former adviser, Dr. Deborah Birx, "said that we lost hundreds of thousands of American lives because of the flaws in the response."

"But even if the virus came from a lab, as indeed it could have, we don't know that yet, that would only deepen Donald Trump's culpability because he was the one who repeatedly and enthusiastically praised China's early handling of the pandemic and assured us that he was working closely with President Xi on the response to it," Raskin added. "So let's just get the facts straight and leave all the political myth-making aside."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6404 on: July 12, 2023, 10:51:00 AM »
Once again, another tape has been put out by Bob Woodward proving the fact that Criminal Donald knew how deadly the COVID virus was in 2020, but publicly he was calling it a "hoax" and downplaying it for political purposes. Hundreds of thousands of deaths are on his hands.

Here's Criminal Donald admitting to Bob Woodward on February 7, 2020, that COVID was deadly. Yet he downplayed its deadliness the entire time. He should be indicted for this as well. 




New Woodward tape: Trump told young son COVID was 'very bad' and should have been revealed 'months earlier

New tapes from Bob Woodward's conversations with Donald Trump reveal what the former president was telling his own family behind the scenes.

In newly revealed recordings shared by MSNBC's Ari Melber, Trump also told Woodward what he was telling his youngest son behind closed doors.

"So you told Barron, you said, 'It's bad, it's bad.' And then —" Woodward said.

"No, I said, it's a very bad thing, but we're going to straighten it out," Trump claimed.

"Did he have any other questions about, like, how are you going to..." Woodward said.

"He said, how did it happen? I said, it came out of China, Barron. Pure and simple. It came out of China. And it should've been stopped," Trump relayed.

In a later tape with Woodward from July 2020, Trump told him that he knew about the disaster as early as Jan. 2020. He continued to downplay it until the election in November.

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DOJ backs down from arguing Trump’s comments about E. Jean Carroll while president were shielded from lawsuits, all but clearing the way for second trial



NEW YORK — The Justice Department on Tuesday backed down from its argument that Donald Trump couldn’t be sued for comments he made about E. Jean Carroll from the White House.

Government officials revealed their determination in a letter to Trump’s lawyers and a Manhattan federal court filing to Judge Lewis Kaplan, who presides over Carroll’s two lawsuits against Trump.

Carroll prevailed on both of her claims in the second suit at trial in May, winning $5 million in damages from the jury that found Trump sexually abused her inside a Bergdorf Goodman changing room in Midtown in 1996 and defamed her when she spoke out decades later.

Complicated legal stumbling blocks have bogged down the first suit since Carroll filed it in 2019. Trump and his DOJ argued he was immune from being sued for anything he said about her as president when she first accused him of sexual assault. President Joe Biden’s DOJ supported that position when he took office, saying it was defending federal employees’ right not to be sued, not the alleged specific conduct.

Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Brian Boynton told Trump’s lawyers the DOJ had changed its mind, lacking “adequate evidence” showing then-President Trump was acting as president when he called Carroll a “liar” from the White House and infamously denied the assault because she was “not my type.”

“The evidence of Mr. Trump’s state of mind, some of which has come to light only after the Department last made a certification decision, does not establish that he made the statements at issue with a ‘more than insignificant’ purpose to serve the United States Government,” Boynton wrote.

“No direct evidence of the former President’s state of mind in making these statements is available.”

The determination all but clears the way for Carroll’s first lawsuit to proceed to trial early in 2024.

"We are grateful that the Department of Justice has reconsidered its position. We have always believed that Donald Trump made his defamatory statements about our client in June 2019 out of personal animus, ill will, and spite, and not as president,” Carroll’s lawyer Roberta Kaplan said. “Now that one of the last obstacles has been removed, we look forward to trial.”

Trump’s lawyer did not immediately respond to a request seeking comment.

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Fulton County DA empaneling new grand jury to weigh Trump election charges

Fani Willis has signaled that charging decisions could come this summer.

The Atlanta-area prosecutor investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election in Georgia is empaneling a new grand jury that could ultimately decide whether to approve charges against former President Donald Trump.

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis met Tuesday with prospective jurors in front of Judge Robert McBurney at a courthouse near Atlanta, where she has been probing whether Trump and his allies' overtures to state officials in late 2020 amounted to criminal activity.

In April, Willis signaled publicly that potential charges could be brought as soon as this summer.

Willis officially launched the probe in February 2021, sparked in part by the now-infamous Jan. 2, 2021, phone call Trump made to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in which Trump pleaded with Raffensperger to "find 11,780 votes," the exact number Trump needed to win Georgia.

Trump has denounced the investigation and has repeatedly defended his phone call to Raffensperger, which he called "perfect."

In January, a previous special grand jury seated by Willis issued its final report, which found "by a unanimous vote that no widespread fraud took place in the Georgia 2020 presidential election that could result in overturning that election."

That grand jury did not have the ability to return an indictment -- only to make recommendations concerning criminal prosecutions.

The publicly released portion of their report revealed no details about any such recommendations, beyond recommending that prosecutors seek indictments against witnesses who they believe may have lied during their testimony.

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Fulton County to seat new grand jury in Trump Georgia 2020 election probe case

The district attorney previously said July 17 is the earliest a Fulton County grand jury could hear evidence in the Trump investigation.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6406 on: July 13, 2023, 06:20:35 AM »
Michigan secretary of state interviewed by Jack Smith: report

Democratic Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson was interviewed by United States Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith's office "for several hours" amid the criminal investigation into the scheme to reverse the results of the 2020 election, CNN's Zachary Cohen exclusively reported on Wednesday.

Benson's conversation with Smith's lieutenants "marks yet another recent meeting between prosecutors and officials from key battleground states that were targeted by former President Donald Trump and his allies as part of their bid to upend Joe Biden's legitimate victory in the 2020 presidential election," Cohen learned from people "familiar with the matter."

It also "came after her office complied with a subpoena from Smith late last year, turning over a broad swath of documents that included communications between Michigan election officials, former Trump lawyers, and individuals working for the former president's campaign," Cohen noted.

"Included in the documents provided to Smith's office," Cohen continued, "was an email from a local Michigan elections official reporting a voicemail they received from someone who identified themselves as a lawyer working for Trump's then-personal attorney Rudy Giuliani."

Michigan was one of several key swing states that Trump won in 2016 but narrowly lost in 2020. Trump has maintained that the contest between him and Biden was "rigged," despite there being no evidence to support that claim and dozens of court cases that determined it to be false.

Read More Here: https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/12/politics/michigan-secretary-of-state-benson-interview-special-counsel/index.html



Why ex-Trump lawyer believes Trump will be indicted soon

CNN’s Paula Reid reports on two top DOJ prosecutors investigating Trump  seen at a courthouse. Amid the uptick in activity around January 6 case, former Trump White House lawyer Ty Cobb believes it’s related to an indictment happening soon.

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« Reply #6407 on: July 13, 2023, 10:22:22 AM »
'All signs point to potential indictment’: Atlanta reporter on Georgia grand jury and Trump

Donald Trump is facing three trials following two indictments, as the Georgia election interference grand jury was sworn in on Tuesday to potentially hand the former president a third indictment.

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