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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6417 on: July 16, 2023, 10:43:05 PM »
Donald Trump is a loser. He made all these phony promises to his base  and never delivered on any of them.

"Build the wall", "Mexico is going to pay for it", "Drain the swamp", "Infrastructure week". All failures by Donald Trump that never even came close to fruition. These were just slogans he used to rally his deranged base into chanting these useless slogans at rallies and on social media to garner their support. A real leader would have came through on every one of these promises.

The fact is, President Biden got Mexico to pay $1.5 billion in border security and passed the largest infrastructure bill in history. That's real leadership!           

 

'You didn't drain the swamp': Trump battles Maria Bartiromo on poor performance as president

Fox News host Maria Bartiromo challenged former President Donald Trump about his performance while in office.

During an interview on Sunday, Trump told Bartiromo that some of his presidential appointments had been a mistake.

"I wouldn't have put a guy like Bill Barr in," Trump said of his administration's attorney general. "He was weak and pathetic. I wouldn't have put Jeff Sessions in."

"Why did you put them in the job, then?" Bartiromo wondered.

"Because every, look, every president, you put somebody in, you think they're good," Trump replied.

"Well, you didn't drain the swamp, like you said you would," the Fox News host pressed. "You didn't drain the swamp."

"I did, I fired [then-FBI director James] Comey, I fired a lot of people," Trump said in his defense. "If I didn't fire Comey, I don't think I would have been able to serve out my term because that was a plot."

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Chris Christie nails Trump for drawing supporters into his prosecution: 'He's indicted because of his outrageous conduct'

Chris Christie knocked down Donald Trump's attempts to draw his supporters into his criminal prosecutions.

The former president told a conservative audience that he considered the criminal charges "a great badge of honor and courage" and that was "being indicted for you," and the former New Jersey governor and 2024 Republican presidential challenger told CNN's Jake Tapper that was ridiculous.

"He's liar and a coward," Christie said. "He's not getting indicted for anyone other than because of his own conduct. There's no other of the 200 million Americans he spoke about who illegally retained classified national secrets after being asked politely, quietly and professionally for 18 months to voluntarily turn them back over after he left the White House. There's no other of those 200 million Americans who lied to their own lawyers about where those documents were, and there's none of those other 200 million Americans who lied to the prosecutors about it and flashed around documents regarding an Iranian war plan to people who didn't have the clearance to see them."

"Look, he's indicted because of his outrageous conduct, and that's why he's been indicted," Christie added. "He now has the opportunity to go to court and make the government prove that case beyond a reasonable doubt, but now he says he doesn't want to have a trial until after the election in 2024. I don't think he's doing that for us, either. He should resolve this thing before people vote, so that we know exactly who we're voting for, to put behind the desk in the Oval Office. When he says he's doing it for us, that's a lie, and when he was doing all the things that he was doing with those documents, it shows exactly what a coward he is."

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« Reply #6418 on: July 21, 2023, 09:16:00 AM »
Trump target letter cites three federal statutes, attorneys say

Two attorneys with direct knowledge of the Justice Department’s target letter sent to former President Trump say special counsel Jack Smith is looking at three federal statutes, including conspiracy to defraud the U.S. NBC News’ Vaughn Hillyard has the details.

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Trump promotes threatening video: ‘We are going to do things to you that have never been done before’
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Special counsel informs Trump he is target in probe of efforts to overturn 2020 election
The development indicates another indictment of Trump could be imminent.

Special counsel Jack Smith has informed former President Donald Trump by letter that he is a target in his investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election, sources familiar with the matter tell ABC News.

Trump also confirmed the development in a post on his Truth Social platform.

The letter, which sources said was transmitted to Trump's attorneys in recent days, indicates that yet another indictment of the former president could be imminent.

The target letter mentions three federal statutes: conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud the United States, deprivation of rights under a civil rights statute, and tampering with a witness, victim or an informant, sources familiar with the matter told ABC News.

There are no additional details in the letter and it does not say how the special counsel's office claims Trump may have violated the statutes listed, sources said.

Trump, appearing Tuesday night at a town hall in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, told Fox News' Sean Hannity that he received the letter on Sunday.

Target letters are typically given to subjects in a criminal investigation to put them on notice that they are facing the prospect of indictment.

Multiple sources tell ABC News that allies, aides and attorneys for the former president have been working to determine if anyone else received a target letter from the special counsel regarding the election probe.

"We can't find anyone," a source said Tuesday afternoon.

A lawyer for Trump's former personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, told ABC News that the former New York City mayor had not received a letter as of Tuesday afternoon.

"Any speculation that Mayor Rudy Giuliani 'flipped' against President Donald Trump is as false as previous lies that America's Mayor was somehow a Russian Agent," Giuliani adviser Ted Goodman said in a statement. "In order to 'flip' on President Trump -- as so many in the anti-Trump media are fantasizing over -- Mayor Giuliani would've had to commit perjury because all the information he has regarding this case points to President Trump's innocence."

Trump previously received a target letter from Smith before he was indicted by a grand jury in Florida for his alleged mishandling of classified documents after leaving the White House and his alleged efforts to obstruct the government's investigation.

Smith took control of the sprawling Justice Department investigation into the failed efforts by Trump and his allies to thwart his election loss upon his appointment as special counsel in November of last year, and in recent months dozens of witnesses have appeared to testify before a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C.

According to sources, prosecutors have questioned witnesses specifically about the efforts to put forward slates of so-called "false electors" that were to have cast electoral college votes during the certification for Trump in key swing states that he lost to Joe Biden.

Investigators have also sought information on Trump's actions and his state of mind in the days leading up to and on Jan. 6, 2021, when thousands of Trump supporters attacked the U.S. Capitol, temporarily disrupting the certification and causing lawmakers and former Vice President Pence to flee the building.

Trump was indicted last month on 37 criminal counts related to his handling of classified materials, after Smith's prosecutors said he repeatedly refused to return hundreds of documents containing classified information ranging from U.S. nuclear secrets to the nation's defense capabilities. He has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

The former president has also pleaded not guilty to a 34-count indictment from the Manhattan district attorney charging him with falsifying business records in connection with a hush money payment made to adult film actress Stormy Daniels days before the 2016 presidential election.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-informs-trump-target-probe-efforts-overturn/story?id=101404037

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6420 on: July 21, 2023, 09:42:23 AM »
Michigan charges 16 fake electors for Donald Trump with election law and forgery felonies

LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Michigan’s attorney general filed felony charges Tuesday against 16 Republicans who acted as fake electors for then-President Donald Trump in 2020, accusing them of submitting false certificates that confirmed they were legitimate electors despite Joe Biden’s victory in the state.

Attorney General Dana Nessel, a Democrat, announced Tuesday that all 16 people would face eight criminal charges, including forgery and conspiracy to commit election forgery. The top charges carry a maximum penalty of 14 years in prison.

The group includes the head of the Republican National Committee’s chapter in Michigan, Kathy Berden, as well as the former co-chair of the Michigan Republican Party, Meshawn Maddock, and Shelby Township Clerk Stan Grot.

In seven battleground states, including Michigan, supporters of Trump signed certificates that falsely stated he won their states, not Biden. The fake certificates were ignored, but the attempt has been subject to investigations, including by the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.

“The false electors’ actions undermined the public’s faith in the integrity of our elections and, we believe, also plainly violated the laws by which we administer our elections in Michigan,” Nessel said in a statement.

The 16 individuals are set to appear for arraignment in Ingham County at a date provided to each by the court, according to Nessel’s office.

Phone and email messages seeking comment Tuesday from several of the people charged were not immediately returned.

One of those charged, John Haggard, 82, of Charlevoix, told The Detroit News on Tuesday that he he didn’t believe he did anything wrong.

“Did I do anything illegal? No,” Haggard said.

GOP state Sen. Ed McBroom, who chaired a GOP-led Senate panel to investigate Michigan’s 2020 presidential election that found no wrongdoing, said he previously spoke with one of the fake electors. It was clear, McBroom said, that the effort was organized by “people who put themselves in a position of authority and posing themselves as the ones who knew what they were doing.”

“They were wrong,” McBroom told The Associated Press. “And other people followed them when they shouldn’t have.”

Berden and Mayra Rodriguez, a Michigan lawyer who was also charged Tuesday, were both questioned by congressional investigators as part of the U.S. House panel’s investigation into the Jan. 6 insurrection.

In January of last year, Nessel asked federal prosecutors to open a criminal investigation into the 16 Republicans.

“Obviously this is part of a much bigger conspiracy,” she said at the time.

Electors are people appointed to represent voters in presidential elections. The winner of the popular vote in each state determines which party’s electors are sent to the Electoral College, which meets in December after the election to certify the outcome.

False Electoral College certificates were also submitted declaring Trump the winner of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Investigations are underway in some other states that submitted fake electors, but not all.

A Georgia prosecutor investigating possible illegal meddling in the 2020 election has agreed to immunity deals with at least eight fake electors. And Arizona’s Democratic attorney general is in the very early stages of a probe. Nevada’s attorney general, also a Democrat, has said he won’t bring charges, while Wisconsin has no active investigation and the attorney general has deferred to the U.S. Justice Department.

There is no apparent investigation in Pennsylvania and former Attorney General Josh Shapiro, who is now governor, said he didn’t believe there was evidence the actions of the fake electors met the legal standards for forgery.

A group of other Trump allies in Michigan, including former GOP attorney general candidate Matthew DePerno, are facing potential criminal charges related to attempts to gain access to voting machines after the 2020 election.

According to documents released last year by Nessel’s office, five vote tabulators were taken from Roscommon and Missaukee counties in northern Michigan, and Barry County in western Michigan. The tabulators were subsequently broken into and “tests” were performed on the equipment.

A grand jury was convened in March at the request of a special prosecutor to consider indictments, according to court records. The special prosecutor, D.J. Hilson, wrote in May in a court document that “a charging decision is ready to be made.”

https://apnews.com/article/fake-elector-michigan-republican-df7803fca3862be713d9d6d29fb77e81



Trump’s target letter suggests the sprawling US probe into the 2020 election is zeroing in on him

WASHINGTON (AP) — A target letter sent to Donald Trump suggests that a sprawling Justice Department investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election is zeroing in on him after more than a year of interviews with top aides to the former president and state officials from across the country.

Federal prosecutors have cast a wide net, asking witnesses in recent months about a chaotic White House meeting that included discussion of seizing voting machines and about lawyers’ involvement in plans to block the transfer of power, according to people familiar with the probe. They’ve discussed with witnesses schemes by Trump associates to enlist slates of Republican fake electors in battleground states won by Democrat Joe Biden and interviewed state election officials who faced a pressure campaign over the election results in the days before the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.

It is unclear how much longer special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation will last, but its gravity was evident Tuesday when Trump disclosed that he had received a letter from the Justice Department advising him that he was a target of the probe. Such letters often precede criminal charges; Trump received one ahead of his indictment last month on charges that he illegally hoarded classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago property in Florida.

Though it’s not known when charges might come, the scope of the inquiry stands in stark contrast to Smith’s much narrower classified documents investigation. The vast range of witnesses is a reminder of the tumultuous two months between Trump’s election loss and the insurrection at the Capitol, when some lawyers and advisers aided his futile efforts to remain president while many others implored him to move on or were relentlessly badgered to help alter results.

A spokesperson for Smith declined to comment about the target letter or the interviews that prosecutors have conducted.

Even before Smith inherited the election interference probe last November, Justice Department investigators had already interviewed multiple Trump administration officials, including the chief of staff to former Vice President Mike Pence and former top lawyers at the White House, scrutinized post-election fundraising and seized as potential evidence the cellphones of numerous lawyers and officials.

Since then, Smith’s team has questioned senior administration officials including Pence himself before a grand jury in Washington. He’s also conducted interviews with a wide array of witnesses outside the federal government, including Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani as well as election officials in states where Trump associates waged fruitless challenges to get results overturned in the Republican incumbent’s favor.

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, who was personally lobbied by Trump to “find 11,780 votes” to overtake Biden, has been interviewed by Smith’s team, as has Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson and New Mexico Secretary of State Maggie Toulouse Oliver, according to their representatives.

Wisconsin’s top elections administrator and election leaders in Milwaukee and Madison have spoken with federal investigators. And former Arizona Republican Gov. Doug Ducey, who silenced a call from the Trump White House as he was publicly certifying Biden’s narrow victory in the state, has been contacted by Smith’s team, a spokesperson said.

One person familiar with Smith’s investigation said prosecutors in recent months have expressed interest in the ordeal of Ruby Freeman, a Georgia election worker who along with her daughter recounted to the House of Representative’s Jan. 6 committee how their lives became upended when Trump and allies latched onto surveillance footage to level since-debunked allegations of voter fraud.

Smith’s team has subpoenaed Raffensperger’s office for any “security video or security footage, or any other video of any kind” from State Farm Arena in Atlanta on Nov. 3, 2020, according to a copy of the document obtained by The Associated Press. That’s the video Giuliani and other Trump allies have claimed showed Fulton County election workers, including Freeman, pulling “suitcases of ballots” from under a table. Georgia officials have called those claims false.

A consistent area of interest for investigators has been the role played by Trump-allied lawyers in helping him cling to power, according to people familiar with the investigation who, like others interviewed for the story, spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing criminal probe.

John Eastman, a conservative law professor, advanced a dubious legal theory that said Pence could halt the certification of state electoral votes to block Biden’s win. Another lawyer, Sidney Powell, promoted baseless claims of voter fraud and pushed an idea — vigorously opposed by Trump’s lawyers at the White House — that Trump had the authority under an earlier executive order to seize state voting machines.

Charles Burnham, a lawyer for Eastman, said Tuesday that his client had not received a target letter. “We don’t expect one since raising concerns about illegality in the conduct of an election is not now and has never been sanctionable,” he said. A lawyer for Powell declined to comment.

Multiple witnesses have been asked about a heated Dec. 18, 2020 meeting at the White House in which outside advisers, including Powell, raised the voting machines idea, people familiar with the matter said. The meeting, which devolved into a shouting match, featured prominently in the House Jan. 6 investigation, with former White House official Cassidy Hutchinson memorably describing it as “unhinged.”

Giuliani, a Trump lawyer who participated in the meeting and who spearheaded legal challenges to the election results, was asked about that meeting during a voluntary interview with Smith’s team and also detailed to prosecutors Powell’s involvement in failed efforts to overturn the election, according to a person familiar with his account. Giuliani has not received a target letter.

Giuliani’s interview was part of what’s known as a proffer agreement, the person said, in which a person speaks voluntarily with investigators while prosecutors agree not to use those statements in any criminal case they might bring. Prosecutors have worked to negotiate similar arrangements with other witnesses.

As prosecutors dig into efforts by Trump allies to thwart Biden’s victory, they’ve focused on the creation of slates of fake electors from key states captured by Biden who were enlisted by Trump and his allies to sign false certificates stating that Trump had actually won.

Smith’s team has also focused on Trump’s efforts to punish officials from his administration who contradicted his false election fraud claims.

Chris Krebs, who was fired by Trump as director of the Department of Homeland Security’s cybersecurity agency after vouching for the integrity of the 2020 vote, was interviewed by prosecutors about the perceived retaliation, according to a person familiar with the questioning.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-jan-6-justice-department-charges-ab1ad197e9abcb3eb9095237b98bee7d



Georgia’s top court rejects Trump attempt to thwart prosecutor in 2020 election investigation

Georgia’s highest court Monday rejected a request by former President Donald Trump to block a district attorney from prosecuting him for his actions in wake of the 2020 election.

The Georgia Supreme Court unanimously shot down a petition that Trump’s attorneys filed last week asking the court to intervene. Trump’s legal team argued that Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis and her office should be barred from seeking charges and that a special grand jury report that is part of the inquiry should be thrown out.

Willis has been investigating since early 2021 whether Trump and his allies broke any laws as they tried to overturn his narrow election loss in Georgia to Democrat Joe Biden. She has suggested she is likely to seek charges in the case from a grand jury next month.

The state Supreme Court noted in its five-page ruling Monday that Trump has a similar petition pending in Fulton County Superior Court. The justices unanimously declined to overstep the lower court, writing that Trump “makes no showing that he has been prevented fair access to the ordinary channels.”

Regarding Trump’s attempt to block the prosecutors, the justices said his legal filing lacked “the facts or the law necessary to mandate Willis’s disqualification by this Court at this time on this record.”

A spokesperson for Willis declined to comment. Trump attorney Drew Findling did not immediately respond to phone and text messages seeking comment.

Trump’s legal team previously acknowledged that the dual filings were unusual, but said they were necessary given the tight time frame. Two new regular grand juries were seated last week, and one is likely to hear the case.

Trump’s attorneys made similar requests in a previous filing in March in Fulton County Superior Court. They asked Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney, who oversaw the special grand jury, to step aside and let another judge hear the Trump team’s claims. McBurney kept the case and has yet to rule.

In their legal petition to the state Supreme Court, Trump’s lawyers argued they were “stranded between the Supervising Judge’s protracted passivity and the District Attorney’s looming indictment” with no choice other than to ask the high court to intervene.

Willis opened her investigation shortly after Trump called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in January 2021 and suggested the state’s top elections official could help him “find” the votes needed to overturn his election loss in the state.

The special grand jury, which did not have the power to issue indictments, was seated last May and dissolved in January after hearing from 75 witnesses and submitting a report with recommendations for Willis. Though most of that report remains under wraps for now, the panel’s foreperson has said without naming names that the special grand jury recommended charging multiple people.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-georgia-grand-jury-election-485ca85e57fd80af7455a59174d10d4f

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A Jan. 6 Trump Indictment Would Include Very Serious Charges

We don’t know exactly what an indictment for Trump over his Jan. 6 actions would look like, but all indications are pointing to Trump facing some extremely serious charges.



As the Justice Department’s special prosecutor prepares to indict former President Donald Trump, all signs point to criminal charges unseen in American history: defrauding the nation with fake electors to sway the 2020 election, obstructing Congress to stop it from certifying votes, and inciting an insurrection.

On Tuesday, Trump claimed he was singled out in a target letter by Department of Justice Special Counsel Jack Smith—a strong indication that an indictment could be weeks away.

In the two years since the former president’s failed coup, some of the nation’s top legal minds have analyzed how a federal indictment would read. Their conclusions, laid out in various legal memos and essays, all generally point to the same end: Prosecutors will rely on powerful criminal charges, many of which date back from the last time the nation faced an existential crisis during the American Civil War some 160 years ago.

Although nothing is publicly known about the oncoming law enforcement action, Smith’s questioning of witnesses and grand jury subpoenas hint at what’s to come.

Fake electors

The House Jan. 6 Committee’s extensive investigation and public hearings already documented how Trump was repeatedly told he lost the 2020 election to his rival. As the clock ticked down the 64 days until Congress would certify the electoral college votes, Trump and his advisers secretly engaged in a scheme to assemble “alternate” electors from seven states who would replace authentic electoral college electors already slated to vote for President Joe Biden.

The effort ultimately went nowhere, but Smith is digging in. Last week, CNN reported that his investigators had sent subpoenas to all seven states: Georgia, New Mexico, Nevada, Michigan, Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Additionally, on Tuesday, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel politics journalist Molly Beck reported that federal investigators interviewed a Wisconsin elections official in April.

A group of scholars including former ambassador Norman Eisen, government watchdog nonprofit leader Noah Bookbinder, former U.S. Deputy Attorney General Donald Ayer, and New York’s former chief public corruption investigator E. Danya Perry put together a model prosecution memo that examines what the DOJ can do with that.

Trump could be charged with violating 18 U.S.C. §§ 371—conspiracy to defraud the United States—which carries a five-year prison sentence if two or more people join forces to “commit any offense” against the country. In their memo, legal scholars also cite how Trump and his advisers mounted a pressure campaign on then-Vice President Mike Pence that would have had him abuse his role as the overseer of the electoral certification—a clear violation of the Constitution.

On that note, a federal judge in California last year already found that Trump and John Eastman, the conservative lawyer who advised him to manipulate Pence this way, likely violated this conspiracy-to-defraud law.

Investigators can point to a heated email exchange between Eastman and Greg Jacob, the former vice president’s lawyer, which was documented by the Jan. 6 Committee’s final report. When Eastman conceded that they were asking Pence to commit a “relatively minor violation” of the Electoral Count Act, Jacob pushed back on the ridiculous idea and asked if Eastman had at the very least told Trump that the vice president doesn’t legally have that power. Eastman’s response was that Trump had “been so advised” and later added: “But you know him—once he gets something in his head, it is hard to get him to change course.”

There’s a third angle to a possible violation of § 371: over the way Trump tried to use Jeffrey Clark, a MAGA loyalist in the upper decks of the DOJ.

Trump briefly considered elevating Clark to become the nation’s attorney general, where he could weaponize the Justice Department by casting doubt on the election results and pressuring states to use the fake electors.

Part of this investigation could focus on Trump’s efforts to also threaten Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in the now-infamous January 2021 phone call in which Trump asked him to “find 11,780 votes” to overturn the election there. And it appears that Smith’s team is examining Trump’s similarly menacing behavior directed at the man who was Arizona’s governor during the 2020 election, Doug Ducey—whom Trump grew to despise for refusing to flip the results in the Grand Canyon State. On Tuesday, CNN reported that Smith’s investigators also reached out to Ducey.

Obstructing an official proceeding

Trump could also be slapped with the same criminal charge the DOJ has used against more than 200 of the MAGA loyalists who assaulted the Capitol building during the winter insurrection: impeding an official proceeding. Another model prosecution memo put together last year by former Michigan federal prosecutor Barbara McQuade lays this charge out.

The massive crowd showed up at Trump’s direction following his December tweet and his D.C. speech that day calling for them to march on Congress. As the DOJ has proven time and time again in court, the rioters attempted—and succeeded—in interrupting the certification of the 2020 election results.

For that, Smith could charge Trump with violating 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(2), which prohibits obstructing, influencing, or impeding “any official proceeding”—or even attempting to do so. That carries a hefty 20-year prison term.

Inciting a rebellion

The most serious criminal charge is also the hardest to prove—and using it would be an extraordinary maneuver.

Smith could try to hold Trump directly responsible for the savage violence his followers exacted on dozens of police officers—and the extensive property damage on the Capitol, which the DOJ estimated last year at $2.9 million.

Legal scholars have pointed to 18 U.S.C. § 2383, which severely punishes anyone engaged in outright rebellion. It dates back to a time when the nation was at war with itself, and the Union found it necessary to snuff out any flame of violent resistance.

At only 57 words, the text has barely changed since it was signed into law by President Abraham Lincoln, and prosecutors haven’t used it since the Civil War, according to an in-depth analysis by two college professors writing for the Illinois Law Review.

If Smith’s prosecutors decide to go down this route, they can point to some details surfaced by the Jan. 6 Committee, which ended its work by making a criminal referral to the DOJ citing this very statute.

The special counsel can make the case that when Trump exhausted all of his legal challenges—the many “kraken” tentacles of his conspiracy-laden lawsuits across the country were cut off one by one by judges—he instead employed the threat of the crowd to pressure Pence and members of Congress.

This law prohibits insurrection—or giving aid or comfort to insurrectionists. As legal scholars have noted, prosecutors could point to Trump’s 2:24 p.m. tweet on that fateful day, when he egged on the rioters mid-attack.

“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!” Trump posted, as his followers beat police officers and lawmakers tried evacuating the Capitol.

Smith could also point to Trump’s reluctance to intervene for the next three hours, as the violence intensified.

If he’s charged, Trump faces up to 10 years in prison for this crime alone. However, legal scholars warn against what’s become a common reading of the law, which says that violators “shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”

Bizarrely, that language doesn’t appear to apply to elected officials, South Texas College of Law Houston professor Josh Blackman and Maynooth University Department of Law lecturer Seth Barrett Tillman cautioned in 2021.

That clause “has remained virtually unchanged since 1862,” they wrote. And at the time, it only applied to federal employees and appointees. That’s because back then, legislators considered The Federalist Papers canon. And as Alexander Hamilton argued in Federalist No. 60, Congress can’t tamper with the Constitution by adding qualifications for elected federal officials.

The overarching case

Bill Barr, Trump’s own former attorney general, said on CBS’ Face the Nation television program last month that he expects this case to be difficult “because of First Amendment interest.” But the underlying facts of the case are still strong enough that Barr said he expected the special counsel to indict the former president this summer.

An open question is whether this will finally be the breaking point for the mainstream Republican Party, which continues to support Trump at every turn. It’s that blind loyalty to MAGA that the conservative legal scholar J. Michael Luttig warned about in his recent guest column in the New York Times, where he noted that Republicans “will be as responsible for any indictment and prosecution of him for Jan. 6.”

“Republicans have waited in vain for political absolution. It’s finally time for them to put the country before their party and pull back from the brink—for the good of the party, as well as the nation,” Luttig noted.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/a-jan-6-trump-indictment-would-include-very-serious-charges



See the three coup crimes that could send Trump to prison

Special Counsel Jack Smith warns Donald Trump of another indictment. Smith’s target letter reportedly citing evidence of at least three crimes Trump allegedly committed while president, including conspiracy, witness tampering, and deprivation of rights. MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber breaks down the charges and is joined by former head of the DOJ’s criminal division Leslie Caldwell.

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« Reply #6422 on: July 21, 2023, 10:39:26 AM »
'Tell us what you know': Legal analyst says next Trump charge could be a warning to those around him

The next indictment Donald Trump faces, for alleged 2020 election misconduct, could be a warning to those in the former president's orbit, according to a legal analyst from MSNBC on Thursday.

Lisa Rubin appeared on MSNBC Thursday evening, and was asked about the timing of the purported indictment from Jack Smith.

"The former president has already received a target letter. But there are still witnesses who are testifying. What is going on? What does it tell you about the timing here?" the host asked.

Rubin replied, "In the last indictment from this office of the special counsel, there was a target letter sent to President Trump in mid-May. He was not indicted until June 8th. And we obviously know that, up through and including June 8th, there were witnesses that testified before the grand jury. It was that morning that I caught up with Stan Woodward, who, ironically, is also Will Russell's attorney escorting -- into that courthouse. So, it doesn't necessarily mean that both things can't be true. There can be witnesses scheduled, and we can still be barreling toward an indictment."

She added, "One other possibility is that the special counsel is preparing to indict former president Trump and a couple of people close to him, as they did in the records investigation, with Trump and Walt Nauta ... It may be that they are doing the exact reverse that you would expect in an investigation, particularly of this magnitude, but rather than first charge of the lowest level offenders and try to flip them, as you pursue the king pin, they are first going to pursue the king pin, especially because they're running out of time and, essentially, show everybody else, this is what we have. And if you want to avoid the same, now is a good time to come in and tell us what you know."

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Jack Smith's TARGET LETTER to Trump identifies 3 crimes he committed. Why these 3? Here's why

Special Counsel Jack Smith sent Donald Trump a "target letter," putting him on notice that he is the target of the grand jury's criminal investigation of the crimes that were committed on and around January 6, 2021, and identifying three specific federal statutes on which the grand jury may indict him.

This video does a deep dive into the three crimes included in Trump's target letter, and why Smith may have chosen the three crimes he did, while DECLINING to include the crime of insurrection.

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Target letter REVEALS CHARGES against Trump

The target letter special counsel Jack Smith sent Trump listed the three charges he will face: conspiracy to defraud the US Government, obstruction of an official proceeding, and deprivation of civil rights which will likely focus on the insurrection's direct effect on Congresspeople.

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'I can guarantee' Trump is thinking about jail every night: criminal defense lawyer



A prominent criminal defense attorney said Thursday that despite Donald Trump’s outward swagger, his mounting legal troubles have left the former president worried about serving time behind bars.

“He's facing 71 felony counts, you may have at least two more indictments, one of these cases or more is going to get tried, right?" A. Scott Bolden said during an appearance on MSNBC’s “All In with Chris Hayes.”

“And if you don't plea out, and you get convicted in state court and or federal court, and you've never been in trouble before, there's a high probability that you're going to be sentenced,” Bolden said.

“I don't care whether you're a former president, whether you're running for office or not. The criminal justice system cares nothing about that despite all the political machinations about how this been weaponized, prosecutors and what have you.”

And Bolden said he has no doubt Trump is aware of this.

“I can guarantee, I can guarantee you every night, Donald Trump is thinking about his liberty and his freedom despite his bravado,” Bolden said.

“I've represented business leaders, corporate CEOs, athletes, entertainers, and a lot of politicians who've run for office and under indictment. And I can tell you in their private moments with their lawyers, and with their families, they're thinking about that future and Donald Trump is worried about this now.”

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Mark Meadows' 'radio silence' likely means cooperation in Trump probe: Ex-prosecutor

A former U.S. attorney on Thursday suggested that Mark Meadows’ “radio silence” amid Donald Trump’s ongoing legal troubles indicates he’s likely cooperating with investigators.

Vance was responding to guest host Jason Johnson’s comment that “the fact that one of the main conspirators, somebody who was intimately involved in the process at least legally trying to overthrow the 2020 election, that he hasn't been on the talk circuit, that we haven't heard that much about. We know he's testified, but he's been kind of quiet.”

Jones had just played video of conservative activist and attorney George Conway discussing Meadows’ plight.

“I just have the feeling something is going on there,” Conway said.

“I mean, he's someone who ought to be every bit as exposed as Donald Trump, yet he's been so quiet, it just seems like there's something up with him.”

Vance took Conway’s comments a step further.

“He's been awfully quiet, and I think George is an astute observer here. Look, Mark Meadows is someone who in some ways makes his living by promoting himself and his work, his book on television. It's surprising to have seen him go to radio silence,” Vance said.

“That's something that we often see with people who have struck a cooperation deal with the government.”

But Vance cautioned that “That's not the only conclusion that we could reach here, he could simply be trying to keep himself out of it with a low profile, knowing he does have considerable exposure. But the reality is that Mark Meadows was in the mix, he appeared to be the gate keeper and the coordinator for much of the planning that went on in advance of January 6.”

“He would be a possible target or at least a subject of the government's investigation and if he has in fact agreed to cooperate with the government, he, too, would offer very high value. He's probably the most important cooperator that the government would be able to land because of his access, and not only his conversations with the former president, but his constant text messaging with all sorts of people, including a lot of the lawyers who have been identified as part of the fake slates of electors planning and the efforts to use the Justice Department to perpetuate the big lie and the notion that there was fraud in the election when there wasn't, so it's a very interesting absence from the public square with Mark Meadows.”

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