Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Richard Smith]

Those hypocrite dems continue to get caught having large outings while telling everyone else to lockdown.  "Let Them Eat Ice Cream" Nancy just got caught again.  Nutty Newsom in CA just had a big party.   It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.  Using the pandemic as an excuse to steal the election.  Then pouring into the streets to celebrate.  Now telling everyone to close up while they go about their lives like 18th century royalty.   Trump finishes his presidency with a landmark achievement in distributing the vaccine.  A perfect set up for 2024.  Old Joe will struggle through his senile haze to do nothing or screw up whatever little he tries to do as he did his entire career.  He will blame the "republicans" for his failures just like Obama.  At some point he will step down or be removed for his obvious cognitive issues.  Kantala then runs on a record of Jimmy Carter-like failure in 2024. She is an unlikeable and less intelligent version of Hillary.  Reviled by everyone associated with her.  A Trump landslide in the making. 

[Michael T. Griffith]

Another fact update on COVID-19: Over the last three days, the death rate has dropped once again. Three days ago, the death rate was 2.3%--243K deaths/10.6 million cases. As of this morning, it is 2.26%--244K deaths/10.8 million cases. You can Google the numbers and do the simple math yourself. 244,000 deaths out of 10.8 million cases equals a case death rate of 2.26%, which means the average survival rate is 97.74%.

And when you break down the numbers by age group, you see that for about 60% of the U.S. population, COVID-19 poses either a lower risk than the flu or about the same risk as the flu. If you doubt this, go to the CDC or Johns Hopkins site and divide the number of cases by the number of deaths for the age groups that those sites use. And/or go to state websites and do the same calculation for the age groups they use. Different sites use different age groups. You will see that for ages 0-19, the death rate is far below the flu's death rate; that for ages 20-49, the death rate is nearly the same as that of the flu (0.11% to 0.29%, almost identical to the flu's death rate range); that for ages 50-64, the death rate is right around 1.97%, which equals a survival rate of 98.03%. Only with ages 65 and up does the death rate enter genuinely dangerous territory: it is around 14%, which still equals a survival rate of 86%, far, far better than the odds of beating most forms of cancer.

But liberals continue to scare people by focusing on the number of cases without telling people that the death rate continues to drop steadily. Nor do liberals bother to tell people that for weeks during the lockdowns, the death rate was over 5% and did not start to noticeably drop until states began to reopen. If more people had this crucial information, they would immediately begin to question the lockdown approach.

[Martin Weidmann]

Those hypocrite dems continue to get caught having large outings while telling everyone else to lockdown.  "Let Them Eat Ice Cream" Nancy just got caught again.  Nutty Newsom in CA just had a big party.   It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.  Using the pandemic as an excuse to steal the election.  Then pouring into the streets to celebrate.  Now telling everyone to close up while they go about their lives like 18th century royalty.   Trump finishes his presidency with a landmark achievement in distributing the vaccine.  A perfect set up for 2024.  Old Joe will struggle through his senile haze to do nothing or screw up whatever little he tries to do as he did his entire career.  He will blame the "republicans" for his failures just like Obama.  At some point he will step down or be removed for his obvious cognitive issues.  Kantala then runs on a record of Jimmy Carter-like failure in 2024. She is an unlikeable and less intelligent version of Hillary.  Reviled by everyone associated with her.  A Trump landslide in the making.

Hope, no matter how irrational, always dies last....

[Martin Weidmann]

Another fact update on COVID-19: Over the last three days, the death rate has dropped once again. Three days ago, the death rate was 2.3%--243K deaths/10.6 million cases. As of this morning, it is 2.26%--244K deaths/10.8 million cases. You can Google the numbers and do the simple math yourself. 244,000 deaths out of 10.8 million cases equals a case death rate of 2.26%, which means the average survival rate is 97.74%.

And when you break down the numbers by age group, you see that for about 60% of the U.S. population, COVID-19 poses either a lower risk than the flu or about the same risk as the flu. If you doubt this, go to the CDC or Johns Hopkins site and divide the number of cases by the number of deaths for the age groups that those sites use. And/or go to state websites and do the same calculation for the age groups they use. Different sites use different age groups. You will see that for ages 0-19, the death rate is far below the flu's death rate; that for ages 20-49, the death rate is nearly the same as that of the flu (0.11% to 0.29%, almost identical to the flu's death rate range); that for ages 50-64, the death rate is right around 1.97%, which equals a survival rate of 98.03%. Only with ages 65 and up does the death rate enter genuinely dangerous territory: it is around 14%, which still equals a survival rate of 86%, far, far better than the odds of beating most forms of cancer.

But liberals continue to scare people by focusing on the number of cases without telling people that the death rate continues to drop steadily. Nor do liberals bother to tell people that for weeks during the lockdowns, the death rate was over 5% and did not start to noticeably drop until states began to reopen. If more people had this crucial information, they would immediately begin to question the lockdown approach.

And when you break down the numbers by age group, you see that for about 60% of the U.S. population, COVID-19 poses either a lower risk than the flu or about the same risk as the flu.

But liberals continue to scare people by focusing on the number of cases without telling people that the death rate continues to drop steadily.

You just tell that to all the elderly people who will die from covid-19 in the next couple of months because they get infected by some idiot in their family or surroundings who listens to crap like you are spreading and doesn't take precautions believing that the risk for him- or herself is minimal.

Here's a thought for you; lockdowns and other measures could potentially be less severe if we, as a society, could rely on the selfrestraint and responsible behavior of all the people. Unfortunately, there are just too many selfish idiots out there who only care for themselves and will cross every line the first chance they get. Give them a finger and they'll take a hand.

Hang on, come to think of it... that's not really a thought for you, now is it? You're one of the money over people crowd!

[Colin Crow]

Those hypocrite dems continue to get caught having large outings while telling everyone else to lockdown.  "Let Them Eat Ice Cream" Nancy just got caught again.  Nutty Newsom in CA just had a big party.   It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.  Using the pandemic as an excuse to steal the election.  Then pouring into the streets to celebrate.  Now telling everyone to close up while they go about their lives like 18th century royalty.   Trump finishes his presidency with a landmark achievement in distributing the vaccine.  A perfect set up for 2024.  Old Joe will struggle through his senile haze to do nothing or screw up whatever little he tries to do as he did his entire career.  He will blame the "republicans" for his failures just like Obama.  At some point he will step down or be removed for his obvious cognitive issues.  Kantala then runs on a record of Jimmy Carter-like failure in 2024. She is an unlikeable and less intelligent version of Hillary.  Reviled by everyone associated with her.  A Trump landslide in the making.

They know that Covid disappeared on Nov 4. Didn’t you get the memo? I hope Trump runs again after setting up a rival to Fox News, that would be fun to watch. Looks like the numbers of the vaccine, 700M by April, he was spouting before the election have dropped to a million or so. What happened? Distribution won’t be until we’ll into Joe's presidency. He will get the glory.....that’s how it goes. Trump will go down as the guy who lost the popular vote twice and got himself impeached in the process. What a loser.

[Colin Crow]

Another fact update on COVID-19: Over the last three days, the death rate has dropped once again. Three days ago, the death rate was 2.3%--243K deaths/10.6 million cases. As of this morning, it is 2.26%--244K deaths/10.8 million cases. You can Google the numbers and do the simple math yourself. 244,000 deaths out of 10.8 million cases equals a case death rate of 2.26%, which means the average survival rate is 97.74%.

And when you break down the numbers by age group, you see that for about 60% of the U.S. population, COVID-19 poses either a lower risk than the flu or about the same risk as the flu. If you doubt this, go to the CDC or Johns Hopkins site and divide the number of cases by the number of deaths for the age groups that those sites use. And/or go to state websites and do the same calculation for the age groups they use. Different sites use different age groups. You will see that for ages 0-19, the death rate is far below the flu's death rate; that for ages 20-49, the death rate is nearly the same as that of the flu (0.11% to 0.29%, almost identical to the flu's death rate range); that for ages 50-64, the death rate is right around 1.97%, which equals a survival rate of 98.03%. Only with ages 65 and up does the death rate enter genuinely dangerous territory: it is around 14%, which still equals a survival rate of 86%, far, far better than the odds of beating most forms of cancer.

But liberals continue to scare people by focusing on the number of cases without telling people that the death rate continues to drop steadily. Nor do liberals bother to tell people that for weeks during the lockdowns, the death rate was over 5% and did not start to noticeably drop until states began to reopen. If more people had this crucial information, they would immediately begin to question the lockdown approach.

Deaths lag cases by a few weeks. The way it works is people get infected and some die later. So, if you get another million cases this week, the deaths this week are from a few weeks ago. The dynamic rate will appear to be decreasing as cases increase dramatically. The true mortality rate can never be accurately calculated until the disease is eradicated.

What are the long term effects if infection for those that survive? Do you know?

[Richard Smith]

They know that Covid disappeared on Nov 4. Didn’t you get the memo? I hope Trump runs again after setting up a rival to Fox News, that would be fun to watch. Looks like the numbers of the vaccine, 700M by April, he was spouting before the election have dropped to a million or so. What happened? Distribution won’t be until we’ll into Joe's presidency. He will get the glory.....that’s how it goes. Trump will go down as the guy who lost the popular vote twice and got himself impeached in the process. What a loser.

LOL.  It is a perfect narrative for Trump.  He ends his presidency with a magnificent triumph with the vaccine.  Old Joe and Kantala take over and raise taxes and impose lockdowns that crush the economy.  Four years of Jimmy Carter-like malaise ensue. They will blame the "republicans" for their failures.  How were they supposed to get anything done with the mean republicans opposing them?  Boo hoo. And Trump emerges from that incompetency in 2024 like a savior.  His new slogan:  "See, I Told You So." The story arc is then complete.

[Joe Elliott]

HOGWASH! You are just too ignorant to do basic math. You keep focusing on case numbers. Look at the death rate, since that is the key stat. I dare you to divide the number of cases by the number of deaths. If you do so, if you know how, you will see that the death rate is now down to 2.3%. Then, go back to the middle of the lockdowns and do the same calculation, and you will see that the death rate was consistently well over 5% for weeks during the lockdowns.

“Do the basic math”. Says Mr. 125.

The death rate is not the key stat. Let’s say we have two populations:

Population A:   Death rate: 5 %     Population: 50,000,000     Number who get infected: 2,000,000     Number of deaths: 100,000

Population B:   Death rate: 1 %     Population: 50,000,000     Number who get infected: 20,000,000     Number of deaths: 200,000

Population B will suffer more deaths, even though the death rate is much lower than Population A.

The product of the death rate times the number infected is the key stat, not just the death rate alone.

The improvement of the death rate is caused by the knowledge professional medical personal have gained over time on how to treat the illness. Not by ‘Making things more open’. The death rate appears to have dropped by as much as a factor of 10. Amazing.


Question: 1:

Are the number dying each day in the United States at its highest rate?

No. It was around 2,700 hundred a day around April 22. Now, it’s around 1,200 a day.


Question: 2:

Are the number infected each day in the United States at its highest rate?

Yes. It is now over 150,000 a day where back in April, it only got around 30,000 a day.


Question: 3:

Why has the number of infected each day gotten so high?

Almost certainly because of the cold weather. We are now in the cold and flu season. Things have just gotten a lot worse.


Question 4:

With over 5 times as many people getting infected each day now compared to April, why is the death rate half?

Probably because the improvement of knowledge of the medical professional. I hope it’s not because more severe infections tend to occur when the weather if cold.

Also, if the medical staff get overwhelmed by the number of cases, the death rate will start to approach the April levels.


Question 5:

Why be concerned, with our death rate being half that of April?

Because the number of infections is doubling in the United States every 16 days. And may increase at a faster rate with ever colder weather.

Now, in mid-November we have 150,000 getting the virus every day and 1,250 a day dying.
By the end of November, we may have 300,000 getting the virus ever day, and 2,500 a day dying, matching, roughly the highest death rate of April.
By mid-December, we may have 600,000 getting the virus every day, and 5,000 a day dying.
By the end of December, we may have 1,200,000 getting the virus every day, and 10,000 a day dying.

Let us assume the hospitals start getting overwhelm by the end of November. The death rate of those who can’t be treated goes up by a factor of 10. Then the number dying each day could be:

By the end of November, 2,500 a day dying.
By the mid-December, not 5,000 a day dying, but 27,500 a day.
By the end of December, not 10,000 a day dying but 77,500 a day.


Will this happen? Yes. Unless people take a lot more precautions. And past history shows that when the infection or death rate goes up, people start taking a lot more precautions. But the sort of precautions followed in the summer, won’t work in the winter. But my best guess is that the death rate won’t get nearly this high, because people, I assume will take a lot more precautions.



By the way, an analogy is, two powerful cars are going down a residential street. One is speeding at 30 mph while the second is speeding at 40 mph. Is the second car more dangerous than the first? Not necessarily. Not if the first car has a stuck accelerator, with a panicked driver, but the second does not. Unless the first driver gets his wits and turns off the key, the first car will soon be going 40 mph, 50 mph, 60 mph, 70 mph. When will the collision take place? At 50 mph? At 95 mph? We can’t assume things are not too bad just because the number dying each day is half that of April. I think the situation is a lot more serious than that. The vaccine is not coming fast enough. Only we can save ourselves.



"Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid.' By the way, on November 4, you won't hear about it anymore,"
Trump, October 24, 2020

I guess he may have been speaking to those who were about to die.

P. S.: After months of setting a bad example of not wearing a mask, Trump has organized another mask rally in Washington D. C. today, with many participants not wearing masks. Not likely to overcome the will of the voters. Guaranteed to increase the infection rate. Great leadership.

Trump consistently resorted to the tradition mass rallies in the weeks leading up to the election, while Biden turned away from them. These mass rallies were highly questionable before November 3. Unconscionable afterwards.