Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Jack Trojan]

LOL.  It is a perfect narrative for Trump.  He ends his presidency with a magnificent triumph with the vaccine.

LOL Drumpf "the butcher" ends his presidency with a magnificent triumph of 250,000 kills + those morons who injected disinfectant into themselves.

Old Joe and Kantala take over and raise taxes and impose lockdowns that crush the economy.  Four years of Jimmy Carter-like malaise ensue. They will blame the "republicans" for their failures.  How were they supposed to get anything done with the mean republicans opposing them?  Boo hoo.

LOL Then you woke up and realized that Biden was the POTUS and Drumpf was in jail.

And Trump emerges from that incompetency in 2024 like a savior.  His new slogan:  "See, I Told You So." The story arc is then complete.

Drumpf HATES being prez. He thinks it's boring. He admitted that he's broke and scared of being arrested with no money to bail himself out. That's what this "Stop the Steal" crap is all about. A fundraiser to "lawyer up". Yet the rubes pour into the streets at the beckoning of f**king Roger Stone for cripe sakes! The only ones more retarded than Drumpf himself are his base of idiots. Drumpf will likely be done in by a double cheese burger before 2024.

[Martin Weidmann]

LOL.  Do you have a brain tumor?  What does that have to do with 2024 you imbecile?

So much anger...

I didn't say that the added on comment had anything to do with 2024.

It has to do with the bogus "election fraud" claims in 2020....It seems you need a working brain to understand that.

As for 2024... just keep dreaming.

[Martin Weidmann]

LOL Drumpf "the butcher" ends his presidency with a magnificent triumph of 200,000 kills + those morons who injected disinfectant into themselves.

LOL Then you woke up and realized that Biden was the POTUS and Drumpf was in jail.

Drumpf HATES being prez. He thinks it's boring. He admitted that he's broke and scared of being arrested with no money to bail himself out. That's what this "Stop the Steal" crap is all about. A fundraiser to "lawyer up". Yet the rubes pour into the streets at the beckoning of f**king Roger Stone for cripe sakes! The only ones more retarded than Drumpf himself are his base of idiots. Drumpf will likely be done in by a double cheese burger before 2024.

The only ones more retarded than Drumpf himself are his base of idiots.

Indeed. What's wrong with those people? They call themselves "patriots" who love America and hate everybody who doesn't share their views.

The truth is they are not patriots, because a true patriot tries to keep the country together and not tear it apart. A true patriot does not consider his fellow countrymen with different opinions to be "enemy of the state". The paranoid notion that Americans, be they politicians, MSM, judges or whatever, could be anti-American and out to destroy the country is absurd to anybody with a working brain, but not to the Trump crowd. And the America they say they love is the country how they would like it to be and not the country it actually is today. The Trump supporters are a cancer that's growing in America. They don't defend values, because they have none. All they have is their own petty selfinterest and anybody that gets in the way is automatically branded as a traitor or worse. Just like Trump, they have no problem with calling members of the Republican party corrupt or incompetent as soon as they do or say something that they don't like.

Their paranoia is clouding their judgment and their all consuming obsession with everything they think is socialism is pathetic, as most of them do not even understand the meaning of the word. For them, it's just a red flag. Even worse, without understanding the absurdity of what they are saying, they blindly repeat whatever Trump and his ilk tell them, without being able to present a coherent argument beyond a soundbyte and/or have a rational conversation about the topic.

Despite the fact that the courts have already thrown out 16 frivolous lawsuits in one week, they continue to claim that at least 5 States somehow have conspired with the Democrats to rig the Presidential election, without tampering with the Senate and House elections. They go so far as to claim that even Republicans are part of this massive conspiracy. What they never do is think about the idiocy of what they are saying.

For four years they have exposed themselves for what they really are; ignorant and selfish. They consider themselves to be the master race, just like the Germans did in the 1930's, and they are too stupid to even understand what they have become.

[Michael T. Griffith]

What about the extensive damage COVID inflicts on the people who survive it? This is a necrotizing virus that attacks your organs such as your heart and lungs. Many people who survive have permanent damage. Much more than with the flu (which is not a single virus which you can call the "flu"). What are those stats? And if COVID-19 is no worse than the flu, which you are implying, then fill your boots. Just make sure you wear a mask so you don't infect the rest of us.

Very few people who survive COVID-19 suffer "extensive damage." What source is telling you that "many" people who survive the virus--which, BTW, is about 97% of those who catch it--subsequently suffer "extensive damage"? Where are you getting that? The stats I've seen show that only a very small percentage of people experience any serious health issues after they catch and survive COVID-19.

I know 22 people who caught COVID-19, including two people in my immediate and extended family, and not one of them has experienced any unusual health issues after they caught it. In fact, ALL of them either had no symptoms or mild symptoms.

So, again, what is your source for claiming that "many" survivors suffer "extensive damage"?

Finally, as of this morning, the COVID-19 death rate has dropped again. It is now down to 2.23% (245K deaths/11 million cases). If your liberal brain can't process this fact, do the math yourself. 245K deaths out of 11 million cases equals a case death rate of 2.23% and a survival rate of 97.77%. Why do you people insist on panicking over a virus that has an average survival rate of 97.77%?

[Martin Weidmann]

Very few people who survive COVID-19 suffer "extensive damage." What source is telling you that "many" people who survive the virus--which, BTW, is about 97% of those who catch it--subsequently suffer "extensive damage"? Where are you getting that? The stats I've seen show that only a very small percentage of people experience any serious health issues after they catch and survive COVID-19.

I know 22 people who caught COVID-19, including two people in my immediate and extended family, and not one of them has experienced any unusual health issues after they caught it. In fact, ALL of them either had no symptoms or mild symptoms.

So, again, what is your source for claiming that "many" survivors suffer "extensive damage"?

I know 22 people who caught COVID-19, including two people in my immediate and extended family, and not one of them has experienced any unusual health issues after they caught it. In fact, ALL of them either had no symptoms or mild symptoms.

So, they were the lucky ones. Now let me guess, you are gullible enough to believe that this personal experience tells you anything about all other cases worldwide, right? Just how much of a superior mind do you think you have?

So, again, what is your source for claiming that "many" survivors suffer "extensive damage"?

I don't know where Jack got his information, but this has been reported by European media as well. But to you, that just probably means they are also in this massive conspiracy to take away your liberty, right?

[Martin Weidmann]

Finally, as of this morning, the COVID-19 death rate has dropped again. It is now down to 2.23% (245K deaths/11 million cases). If your liberal brain can't process this fact, do the math yourself. 245K deaths out of 11 million cases equals a case death rate of 2.23% and a survival rate of 97.77%. Why do you people insist on panicking over a virus that has an average survival rate of 97.77%?

Why do you people insist on panicking over a virus that has an average survival rate of 97.77%?

Wrong question. Nobody is panicking (anymore), but there is nothing wrong with being cautious. Not everybody is willing to risk a stay in an intensive care unit or being registered with a pre-existing condition.

The actual question has to be be why you are so careless that you purposely insist in ignoring a deadly virus that is still spreading and killing people?

[Colin Crow]

Very few people who survive COVID-19 suffer "extensive damage." What source is telling you that "many" people who survive the virus--which, BTW, is about 97% of those who catch it--subsequently suffer "extensive damage"? Where are you getting that? The stats I've seen show that only a very small percentage of people experience any serious health issues after they catch and survive COVID-19.

I know 22 people who caught COVID-19, including two people in my immediate and extended family, and not one of them has experienced any unusual health issues after they caught it. In fact, ALL of them either had no symptoms or mild symptoms.

So, again, what is your source for claiming that "many" survivors suffer "extensive damage"?

Finally, as of this morning, the COVID-19 death rate has dropped again. It is now down to 2.23% (245K deaths/11 million cases). If your liberal brain can't process this fact, do the math yourself. 245K deaths out of 11 million cases equals a case death rate of 2.23% and a survival rate of 97.77%. Why do you people insist on panicking over a virus that has an average survival rate of 97.77%?

Deaths lag cases by a few weeks. The way it works is people get infected and some die later. So, if you get another million cases this week, the deaths this week are from a few weeks ago. The dynamic rate will appear to be decreasing as cases increase dramatically. The true mortality rate can never be accurately calculated until the disease is eradicated.

Is this a difficult concept for you Michael?

Maybe the longer this thing goes your death rate will fall to near zero, just bank more cases right?

As for potential long term effects here is a reference from the Lancet discussing this aspect.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30701-5/fulltext

I found similar discussions at the Mayo Clinic and CDC. I’m sure they would be relieved at your study of 22 survivors.

[Michael T. Griffith]

I know 22 people who caught COVID-19, including two people in my immediate and extended family, and not one of them has experienced any unusual health issues after they caught it. In fact, ALL of them either had no symptoms or mild symptoms.

So, they were the lucky ones. Now let me guess, you are gullible enough to believe that this personal experience tells you anything about all other cases worldwide, right? Just how much of a superior mind do you think you have?

I can tell that my mind is at least far superior to yours. I'll say that much.

Did you miss, or just choose to ignore, the part where I said that the statistics that I've read show that very few, only a small percentage, of survivors suffer serious health issues afterward?

Can a sample size of 22 people tell us "anything" about global numbers? Well, of these 22 people whom I know, four are over 65; one is 21; and the rest are between 21 and 64. I would never claim that my personal experience is scientific, but 22 people whose ages vary widely is not a meaningless number.

So, again, what is your source for claiming that "many" survivors suffer "extensive damage"?

I don't know where Jack got his information, but this has been reported by European media as well. But to you, that just probably means they are also in this massive conspiracy to take away your liberty, right?

"Massive conspiracy to take away your liberty"?! What a juvenile comment. Again, are you in high school? Does your mom know you're using her computer?

Now, I can't comment on sources that you guys don't/can't/won't produce. It is way too early to be claiming that "many" COVID-19 survivors suffer long-term health issues. The stats that I've seen do not support such a claim, at least not yet anyway. Here is what the CDC says on this issue:

"While most persons with COVID-19 recover and return to normal health, some patients can have symptoms that can last for weeks or even months after recovery from acute illness. Even people who are not hospitalized and who have mild illness can experience persistent or late symptoms. Multi-year studies are underway to further investigate. CDC continues to work to identify how common these symptoms are, who is most likely to get them, and whether these symptoms eventually resolve." (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html)

The CDC then discusses "serious long-term complications," such as heart muscle inflammation, lung function problems, and acute kidney injury, and notes that such problems are "less common" than the mild symptoms that many people experience. The article adds that more study is needed to determine their significance.

So, let's see your sources for claiming that "many" survivors suffer "extensive damage." Let's see them.

And I'm just curious: What will you panic peddlers say if the case death rate drops below 2%?