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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2552 on: November 20, 2020, 05:43:11 PM »
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An honest person would acknowledge the Trump administration's efforts to encourage the development of an effective vaccine in record time.  Even the NY Times had done that.  It is an amazing accomplishment.  No one thought it possible.  Trump was pushing that effort from the very beginning.  So give credit where credit is due.  If not, then you are politicizing the deaths of people due to your own obvious bias.

An honest person would acknowledge the Trump administration's efforts to encourage the development of an effective vaccine in record time.  Even the NY Times had done that.  It is an amazing accomplishment.

Trump wasn't the only one who encouraged the development of a vaccine in record time. In Europe most administrations did exactly the same. And the accomplishment isn't Trump's, it's the experts who actually did the work.

Trump was pushing that effort from the very beginning.  So give credit where credit is due.  If not, then you are politicizing the deaths of people due to your own obvious bias. 

The credit is due to the professional who actually developed the vaccines. It is completely pathetic to say that not letting Trump take credit for the work of others equals politicizing the deaths of people.

You are trying to re-write history in favor of Trump.

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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2553 on: November 20, 2020, 05:50:01 PM »
An honest person would acknowledge the Trump administration's efforts to encourage the development of an effective vaccine in record time.  Even the NY Times had done that.  It is an amazing accomplishment.

Trump wasn't the only one who encouraged the development of a vaccine in record time. In Europe most administrations did exactly the same. And the accomplishment isn't Trump's, it's the experts who actually did the work.

Trump was pushing that effort from the very beginning.  So give credit where credit is due.  If not, then you are politicizing the deaths of people due to your own obvious bias. 

The credit is due to the professional who actually developed the vaccines. It is completely pathetic to say that not letting Trump take credit for the work of others equals politicizing the deaths of people.

You are trying to re-write history in favor of Trump.

You don't seem to have any issue blaming him for the virus.  So at least be fair and acknowledge that he has facilitated the rapid development of a vaccine.  Trump is obvious not a scientist who goes down into the lab you dunce.  He is the President.  And he used his position to facilitate the development of the vaccine to the best of his ability. 

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2554 on: November 20, 2020, 05:59:27 PM »
You don't seem to have any issue blaming him for the virus.  So at least be fair and acknowledge that he has facilitated the rapid development of a vaccine.  Trump is obvious not a scientist who goes down into the lab you dunce.  He is the President.  And he used his position to facilitate the development of the vaccine to the best of his ability.

You don't seem to have any issue blaming him for the virus.

I don't blame him for the virus. I do blame him for the way he responded to the virus.

So at least be fair and acknowledge that he has facilitated the rapid development of a vaccine.

I have no problem to acknowledge that. Making the development and testing process easier is always a good thing. But, again, he wasn't the only one. Several European leaders did the same. They don't need praise... it's part of the job!

He is the President.  And he used his position to facilitate the development of the vaccine to the best of his ability.

Sure, but that doesn't mean he gets to take the credit for the development of the vaccine. For once, he did his job!



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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2555 on: November 21, 2020, 12:10:34 AM »
Do tell?  The only people that I've seen questioning the safety of the vaccine are people like Kantala Harris and other radical dems that have used the virus for political purposes.  It only becomes safe after Jan. 20.

Without getting into the association between Trump, Qannon and antivaxers.....I can find some info if you are unaware.

"Even before the announcements made by Pfizer and BioNTech on Nov. 9 and by Moderna on Nov. 16 about the development of highly effective vaccines for COVID-19, Americans were already more willing to get a vaccine than they were in September. The recent increase is primarily due to a jump in willingness among Democrats.

"However, Americans overall are still less likely than they were earlier this year to say they'd get a COVID-19 vaccine. Four in 10 remain unwilling to get a vaccine, indicating public health officials face an uphill climb in convincing a good share of the public to do so.

A longer period of development and clinical testing may help to address three of the four most common reasons for hesitancy among those who are unwilling. However, convincing the 12% of Americans who refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine due to a general distrust of vaccines may prove more difficult."

https://news.gallup.com/poll/325208/americans-willing-covid-vaccine.aspx

Part of the distrust was the notion that Trump was pushing the vaccine to be released before safety tetsting was complete for political reasons....cf. HCQ etc.









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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2556 on: November 21, 2020, 12:55:52 AM »
Junior caught a "hoax"


Donald Trump Jr. tests positive COVID-19: report
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/donald-trump-jr-caught-19-report/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2557 on: November 21, 2020, 01:00:11 AM »
For Michael Griffith. I’m not sure he reads anything from me because I never seem to get any meaningful reply. I live in hope.

This article is in reference to his frequent use of the Swedish model for dealing with Covid it’s from "The Times".

Sweden realises that it’s not a nation apart after all

"Alarm is rising in Sweden that its light touch approach to Covid-19 has failed as its per capita infection rate rises above Britain’s, with the number of hospital admissions almost doubling each week.

“The situation is serious,” Goran Hansson, a cardiology professor at the Karolinska Institute and head of the Swedish Royal Academy of Sciences, said. “Intensive care units are not at maximum capacity but may become full soon if the trend is not broken.”

Since the start of the pandemic the Swedish “experiment” has raised profound questions about the best way to overcome the disease and the nature of the state’s duties to its citizens. Critics of Anders Tegnell, the state epidemiologist in charge of the response, and his advisers believe it is finally clear that Sweden has paid too high a price for too few tangible results. Sweden alone did not impose a lockdown or establish a national contact tracing system for months. It did not recommend the use of face masks, even in hospitals, or stop people visiting their relatives in care homes until the start of April.

What it did do was close universities and sixth-form colleges; ban events involving more than 50 people; and advise the population to practise hygiene and social distancing – to work from home, wash their hands and to isolate themselves if they felt ill.

By late summer cases were so low that Kim Sneppen, a Danish biostatistician, who had published a paper on Sweden’s coronavirus policies, told a newspaper that the pandemic “may be finished” in the country. Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of Tesla, tweeted: “Sweden was right.”

Yet in the second wave infection rates are high even in thinly populated areas.
Stefan Lofven, the prime minister, said compliance with public health recommendations had fallen markedly since the spring. Cecilia Soderberg-Naucler, a virology professor at Karolinska Institute, said: “We had to get into deep spombleprofglidnoctobuns before people sharpened up. There’s a lot of egoistic behaviour and not thinking about friends and family members.”

Now, all but one of Sweden’s 21 regions are in voluntary lockdown with residents urged to cut social contact by avoiding public transport or travelling out of their area.
From Saturday pubs and restaurants will be banned from selling alcohol after 10pm. Public gatherings will be limited to eight people.

Sweden’s GDP is expected to fall by 3.4 per cent in 2020, compared with Denmark at – 3.9 per cent and Finland at -4.3 per cent.

Professor Anders Vahlne, who sits on the steering committee for Vetenskapsforum Covid-19, an organisation calling for tougher measures, said: “[The strategy] was a big failure. We are reporting as many deaths as we did in the spring. There is a nationalistic pride that’s been hurt.”
Sweden’s belief in itself as a country apart, in which gentle guidance is preferable to hard rules, is being tested.
“We’re not going to be the same people [after] this,” Professor Soderberg- Naucler said. “We’ve had some kind of view that we know better than others and of course we don’t. We are all equal before this virus.”

Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2558 on: November 21, 2020, 01:06:15 AM »
So many outrageous lies.  NY has had nearly 35K deaths!  The highest by far among any state.  The virus is out of control there.  They just closed their schools.  It is the single most ineptly governed state in the country.  And that is saying a lot with California.  Highest number of deaths while crushing the local economy with arbitrary and ineffective lockdowns.  People are fleeing NY in droves.   Great leadership if you are in the funeral business.

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No lies at all. New York has a massive population and is the main hub in the United States so it's expected a virus will overtake a highly populated area. Cuomo with his strong leadership was able to combat the virus and lower the infection and death rate. Right wing states like Texas and Florida are out of control with COVID and the disastrous numbers speak for themselves. The rest of what you wrote is right wing propaganda nonsense.

Today's COVID numbers

Texas 11,543 new infections...180 deaths
Florida 9,085 new infections...76 deaths

New York 2,478 new infections....50 deaths

The numbers speak for themselves....Red states that do nothing are a disaster.

Donnie Jr caught the "hoax" by not wearing a mask.       

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2559 on: November 21, 2020, 01:08:15 AM »
An honest person would acknowledge the Trump administration's efforts to encourage the development of an effective vaccine in record time.  Even the NY Times had done that.  It is an amazing accomplishment.  No one thought it possible.  Trump was pushing that effort from the very beginning.  So give credit where credit is due.  If not, then you are politicizing the deaths of people due to your own obvious bias.

Donald Trump had nothing to do with the vaccine. The drugmakers said so. Keep spouting propaganda.   

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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