Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Richard Smith]

Without getting into the association between Trump, Qannon and antivaxers.....I can find some info if you are unaware.

"Even before the announcements made by Pfizer and BioNTech on Nov. 9 and by Moderna on Nov. 16 about the development of highly effective vaccines for COVID-19, Americans were already more willing to get a vaccine than they were in September. The recent increase is primarily due to a jump in willingness among Democrats.

"However, Americans overall are still less likely than they were earlier this year to say they'd get a COVID-19 vaccine. Four in 10 remain unwilling to get a vaccine, indicating public health officials face an uphill climb in convincing a good share of the public to do so.

A longer period of development and clinical testing may help to address three of the four most common reasons for hesitancy among those who are unwilling. However, convincing the 12% of Americans who refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine due to a general distrust of vaccines may prove more difficult."

https://news.gallup.com/poll/325208/americans-willing-covid-vaccine.aspx

Part of the distrust was the notion that Trump was pushing the vaccine to be released before safety tetsting was complete for political reasons....cf. HCQ etc.

I'm not sure that I'm following your logic.  It is Trump that has pushed for a vaccine as a solution to the virus from day one while dems were waving around masks that don't work.  It is the nutty dems like Kantala and Cuomo that have cast false doubt on the safety of any vaccine.  Hoping to delay its distribution until after Jan. 20.  Trump has been the biggest advocate of the vaccine.  It is Alice-in-Wonderland thinking to blame him for any reluctance to take the vaccine.

[Martin Weidmann]

I'm not sure that I'm following your logic.  It is Trump that has pushed for a vaccine as a solution to the virus from day one while dems were waving around masks that don't work.  It is the nutty dems like Kantala and Cuomo that have cast false doubt on the safety of any vaccine.  Hoping to delay its distribution until after Jan. 20.  Trump has been the biggest advocate of the vaccine.  It is Alice-in-Wonderland thinking to blame him for any reluctance to take the vaccine.

Your right wing propaganda is getting extremely boring.

Trump is desperately trying to salvage his legacy. That's why he is bringing troops home before Xmas, why he is trying to take credit for the development of the vaccine and why he claims to have brought medication prices down (let's wait and see, shall we). For the time being the USA is still paying more for Pfizer's vaccine than the European countries!

Btw if the drug prices were such an important topic for him, he could brought the prices down four years ago, but he didn't... one can only wonder why.

[Rick Plant]

Trump stooge Texas Gov. Greg Abbott is a failure refusing to do anything for the residents of Texas. At this rate, Texas will over take past numbers of New York's death total.

Moronic right wingers want to point to numbers of the past attacking New York but ignore the fact that current numbers  in New York are way down compared to the red state COVID disaster. That's how they push their COVID disinformation.

Texas could nearly triple number of daily COVID-19 deaths over two weeks, research teams says

If COVID-19 hospitalizations continue to rise, the research medical center says Dallas and Tarrant counties may reach maximum hospital capacity in the next 30 days.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/texas-could-nearly-triple-number-of-daily-covid-19-deaths-two-weeks/287-d834599c-3ff5-4d54-b39d-9b1e1d4dadaa

[Rick Plant]

Your right wing propaganda is getting extremely boring.

Hilarious how Richard is still furiously pushing bogus propaganda for election loser Donald Trump.   

[Richard Smith]

Your bogus disinformation is hilarious. I've showed you the numbers. That's what you want with election loser Donald Trump.

Idiot.  You cited TODAY's numbers instead of the total numbers.  Which is more important?  A single day or the record for the entirety of this event?  It is simply a fact that approximately 35K people have died in NY while only one other state has as many as 20K deaths.  Anyone can confirm these numbers with the CDC and other sources.  The most deaths have occurred in NY several times over.  There is no "disinformation" about that.  It is a stone cold fact.

[Richard Smith]

Your right wing propaganda is getting extremely boring.

Again no specifics.  Are you suggesting Trump hasn't advocated a vaccine?  Are you suggesting that Kantala and Cuomo are not the ones expressing concerns about the vaccine? 

[Colin Crow]

I'm not sure that I'm following your logic.  It is Trump that has pushed for a vaccine as a solution to the virus from day one while dems were waving around masks that don't work.  It is the nutty dems like Kantala and Cuomo that have cast false doubt on the safety of any vaccine.  Hoping to delay its distribution until after Jan. 20.  Trump has been the biggest advocate of the vaccine.  It is Alice-in-Wonderland thinking to blame him for any reluctance to take the vaccine.

Your comment was that "Trump found the solution"....ie the vaccine. (It was a few pages back. Cant be bothered formatting.)

The solution of the vaccine relies on herd immunity being developed via its deployment to at least 70% of the population.

I immediately replied...."What % of Trump voters are antivaxers? How ironically hysterical."

The people who support Trump are not going to allow his "solution" to prevail. Your reference to Democrat suspicion was fear that Trump was rushing the vaccine deployment before safety concerns were allayed.

As the graph shows it is Republicans who will not allow herd immunity to develop. Do you now see the irony?

No doubt you are aware that Qanon loonies support Trump and there is significant cross contamination with antivaxer loonies as well.

Here's an analogy.....The atomic bomb is developed and Truman encouraged to use it to end the war in Japan. Democrats won’t agree for him to use it.

[Martin Weidmann]

Again no specifics.  Are you suggesting Trump hasn't advocated a vaccine?  Are you suggesting that Kantala and Cuomo are not the ones expressing concerns about the vaccine?

I already answered those questions....

Are you suggesting Trump hasn't advocated a vaccine?

No. I am suggesting no such thing, but advocating a vaccine doesn't make it a "Trump vaccine"

Are you suggesting that Kantala and Cuomo are not the ones expressing concerns about the vaccine?

Expressing concerns because you want the medication to be safe for use is a bad thing? Not everybody is as reckless as Trump.