Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Joe Elliott]

Yes, I agree with this.  Trump made a mistake framing this as "fraud."  There may have been some of that but the election was stolen not by fraud as it is commonly understood but by changing the rules of the election at the last minute without adequate safeguards in place for mail in ballots.  There was no way to confirm who was voting.  The numbers suggest that something odd happened during this election.  And there are enough of those votes in this election to change the outcome.  It won't happen, though.  The Supreme Court is not going to overturn the results of the election.  At best, they will place some reasonable limits on the ability of local officials to alter the rules for an election at the last minute in a way that is most advantageous for their preferred political party.

The numbers suggest that something odd happened during this election. Well, one possibility is that instead of holding the election on a Tuesday, a working day, and people in big cities trying to vote either just before going to work, or just after getting off from work, and trying to vote during a narrow period of time, along with thousands of others, people had the option to mail in their ballot. So, the voter turnout was much higher than ever seen before. Yes, massive fraud is a possibility. But not the only possibility.

Basically, it is alleged that Biden rigged the election. But what is beyond dispute is that Trump is trying to rig the election. To make irrelevant who the voters really voted for. Why should I prefer:
•   the Trump rigged election
over:
•    the possibly Biden rigged election, but probably valid election?

Unlike the “Biden Rigged Election” hypothesis, the “Valid Election” hypothesis has some support. Millions of ballots were checked and found to be consistent with the honest voting machine hypothesis, but not with the rigged voting machine hypothesis.

[Richard Smith]

So you haven't heard yet about Bannon and Wengui?

So I'm sure the FBI would clear that up and confirm it wasn't Hunter's laptop by now if that were the case.

No, standard operating procedure is that they do not comment either way about ongoing investigations. That's where Comey screwed up with Hillary Clinton resulting of four years of misery under Trump. They are not going to make the same mistake again.

Instead they are investigating Hunter.  Wonder what that means?

It means they are investingating. No more no less. It does not mean there is a there there.

You really think the Russians, Chinese, and Ukrainians were paying Hunter for his expertise?   And there is nothing suspicious about paying a person millions who has zero experience.  Has anyone left a diamond under your pillow?  You can't be for real.  Hunter is corrupt to the core.  His corruptions is only surpassed by his stupidity.  He set up dummy companies to receive millions from foreign entities based on his relationship with the Big Guy.  Then says he never received a dime from them because the money is laundered through his dummy companies. But you are right about one thing.  Just because he is guilty of numerous crimes doesn't mean he will go to jail.  Hillary is the prime example of that.  So the fortunate son might not get to play Fang Fang in the prison shower but it is blatant corruption that extends to the entire Biden family.

[Martin Weidmann]

You really think the Russians, Chinese, and Ukrainians were paying Hunter for his expertise?   And there is nothing suspicious about paying a person millions who has zero experience.  Has anyone left a diamond under your pillow?  You can't be for real.  Hunter is corrupt to the core.  His corruptions is only surpassed by his stupidity.  He set up dummy companies to receive millions from foreign entities based on his relationship with the Big Guy.  Then says he never received a dime from them because the money is laundered through his dummy companies. But you are right about one thing.  Just because he is guilty of numerous crimes doesn't mean he will go to jail.  Hillary is the prime example of that.  So the fortunate son might not get to play Fang Fang in the prison shower but it is blatant corruption that extends to the entire Biden family.

You really think the Russians, Chinese, and Ukrainians were paying Hunter for his expertise?

I don't even know if they were actually paying him. Except of course for Burisma, who hired him, as a lawyer, to look after their interests in the United States, which would fall within his expertise. Is there a possibility that Burisma hired him, just like they hired Royals from European countries to sit on their board, because of his name and position? Of course there is, but that doesn't make it illegal or criminal.

And there is nothing suspicious about paying a person millions who has zero experience.

Again, show me proof of the actual payments directly to him and to his benefit. There is a lot of talk about this, but no evidence has been provided.

Has anyone left a diamond under your pillow?

No, but I did get an expensive car as a present once, does that count. Btw, has anyone who found a diamond under his pillow ever given the damned thing away? Because that's what Hunter apparently did, as he did not want it.

His corruptions is only surpassed by his stupidity.  He set up dummy companies to receive millions from foreign entities based on his relationship with the Big Guy. 

Well, if he is setting up "dummy" companies, he's not so stupid as you say he is after all. The problem with your hyperbole is that (1) you have no proof it were in fact dummy companies and (2) you have no proof that the money was intended for him or even went to him and for what purpose. You're jumping to conclusions that are not supported by evidence, only by unproven claims.

Then says he never received a dime from them because the money is laundered through his dummy companies.

He never said that. At least not the last part, because that would make him really stupid. As for the first part, if you can not show he did not receive a dime from that elusive money, than he perhaps did not receive it indeed, which in turn means he did nothing wrong.

But you are right about one thing.  Just because he is guilty of numerous crimes doesn't mean he will go to jail.  Hillary is the prime example of that. 

Actually, Hillary is a perfect example of hollow, unsupported claims made by the Republicans that never were proved to secure any kind of conviction. It is the Republican modus operandi. They did it to Hillary with the bogus Benghazi investigations and the email server claims. They tried to do it to Joe Biden with the "do me a favor" Ukraine mess and now they are trying to do it to Hunter Biden.

And before you go there, I don't give a damn about Hunter Biden. If, as a crackhead, he managed to pull of some schemes and make some money for himself, more power to him. He could be a Republican (Perdue and Loeffler, in Georgia, can tell you all about how to use their position to make millions on the stockmarket, and they are not the only ones.) But, and this is the point, whatever the son does has nothing to do with the father. So unless you've got anything more than assumptions and speculations about Joe Biden's involvement, you really have nothing at all.

[Joe Elliott]

You are still clueless. What those 18 states are suing for is to have done what should have been done from the outset:
(1) to have the signatures on all mail-in ballots verified by standard/valid criteria and with bipartisan observers present,

No. Unacceptable. Biased examiners can flip a state just be rejecting 10% of the signatures.

First, a signature must be flagged. Second, the voter in question must be questioned. I will trust the word of the voter. Not the “signature expert”.

(2) to have all the ballots that were received after the legal deadlines disqualified, and

Must be proven that each ballot that is rejected was received after the legal deadline. For each individual ballot. Nothing else is acceptable.

(3) to have an independent forensic analysis done on the Dominion machines and software in conjunction with a forensic analysis of the tabulations done by those machines and software.

We have had manual recounts of over 5,000,000 ballots, for all of Georgia and for counties requested by the Trump lawyers. If there were as many as a million votes changed, and Trump supporters alleged millions, we should have found a discrepancy of at least 30,000. No such discrepancy has been found.

I have heard no one say, including from you, how this could be.

[Zeon Mason]

Everyone should go to Washington DC for the Dec 12th rally “Stop the Steal” 2.0  to see if Alex Jones will be there to read some kind of  2nd Declaration of Independence and/or that Texas will secede from the USA?

[John Tonkovich]

Everyone should go to Washington DC for the Dec 12th rally “Stop the Steal” 2.0  to see if Alex Jones will be there to read some kind of  2nd Declaration of Independence and/or that Texas will secede from the USA?

Gee, treason much?

[Martin Weidmann]

Hey Michael,

Told you so...

You are still clueless. What those 18 states are suing for is to have done what should have been done from the outset: (1) to have the signatures on all mail-in ballots verified by standard/valid criteria and with bipartisan observers present, (2) to have all the ballots that were received after the legal deadlines disqualified, and (3) to have an independent forensic analysis done on the Dominion machines and software in conjunction with a forensic analysis of the tabulations done by those machines and software.

And you call me clueless? Those states can not interfere in the way another state conducts it's business. If they had a problem with procedures or the use of Dominion machines they should have complained prior to the election and not after. Don't even try to pretend this is to protect honest elections and the law, because if Trump had won those states none of these complaints would have been made.

Also, if SCOTUS would throw out all the votes in those four states, they would be throwing out perfectly legally votes because of a procedural matter. There is no way that's going to happen. Even less so, as on those same ballots are also all sorts of other election votes which would be invalidated as well, for no apparent reason.

Yeah, I bet that if the Supreme Court followed the law and ordered those four states to take these reasonable actions, you would have left-wing thugs rioting in the streets because they don't care about honest elections and following the law.

BS.. If SCOTUS grants the motion, many people would rightfully feel that their vote was stolen from them.

I keep asking this, and I'll ask it again: How in the world do you explain the fact that in numerous key counties in those states, the mail-in ballot rejection rate was three, four, and as much as 12 times lower than the historical average, even though, for obvious reasons, we had far, far more mail-in ballots than in any previous election? As many data experts have pointed out, if the mail-in ballots in PA, MI, WI, and GA had been rejected at the average historical rate, Trump would have won. Give me a break.

I'm not going to explain something that the courts have already dismissed time after time.

Bottom line is that we had a fair election and that Trump and his ilk can not prove otherwise, which means that the only reason Trumps wants votes thrown out is to steal the election.

Next up; watch the Republican party implode.

[Colin Crow]

This thread sure has brought out the wood ducks.