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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2936 on: December 22, 2020, 03:02:06 AM »
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The laptop is in the possession of the FBI not Rudy.  LOL.   There is an ongoing federal investigation of Hunter and James Biden.  There is zero evidence to suggest it is the product of "Russian disinformation" whatever that is supposed to mean.  Imagine the plan at the Kremlin to drop off a laptop at some random computer store in Delaware using a Hunter-double, hope the proprietor noticed its contents etc.  What a laughable scenario.  But if there were validity to any Russian connection to the laptop, where is the confirmation from the federal investigators that it is a fake?  That itself would be a big story for the media to cover - actual Russian interference in the election.  But they want no part of it because it is Hunter's laptop and contains information that incriminates the entire Biden family.

 :D :D :D

Fake conspiracies is all right wingers have...pathetic!

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2937 on: December 22, 2020, 03:15:47 AM »
I stand corrected on that.  I respect that video you posted.   There are always things to learn and yes we do have some issues.   I did not back that statement that I made but I think most everything else I did in my statements.
   
I was biased and still am on that.   I worked in Algeria for over 5 years and traveled and stayed in Paris numerous times.   This was a time when "FIS" movement was there and people were getting their throats cut and acid thrown into the faces of young girls that refused to wear the hajib.   At least that is what the newspapers in Algeria were saying and what some of my workers were saying was occurring in their villages. I have no first hand knowledge.   Watching the Algerian workers working for me and their Moslem culture, it would not surprise me that you could set up pockets of shariah law in name in places like Marseille.  There system of justice is self administered and taken on by individuals - not by judge and jury!  Shariah law can have its courts but it is not limited to that and fundamentalists believe they can enforce the principles themselves.     

So yes I am a bit biased when it comes to separating cultures and believe in keeping these cultures/factions apart from our own.   Two of the men I worked with had their throats cut and heads taken - heads never found.   One French,  one Italian.   For me, these people can hide in the woodwork and become irrational rather quickly when concerning their religious fervor and radicalism and act on it.   I myself would rather sort out their problems within their own countries and borders rather than exporting refugees and their associated problems to the rest of the world.  If it means dividing the country up and keeping the parties away from each other - so be it.  That was initially what the UN was set up.  They are no longer peacekeepers as they once were set up to be.   That is my opinion.   

Unlike you, I will support fair speech and listen logically to all sides of every story before formulating my opinion and try supporting it with facts when I can and state opinion such as my last one but try to clarify.    I think Paris came to my head but I was thinking more of Marseille as a little more violent community where there are money more problems.   I still like the Mohammed Ali video and I think has huge merit.  I see major problems trying to integrate various religions and factions and have them all live in one big happy utopian city. We will see problems moving into all societies when both sides of warring parties move together into another country and continue the war. 

That is not good IMO!  If you want to be able to walk around without having to carry your own protection and security guard you had better isolate yourself by not introducing problems that negate your freedoms.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871315/Syrian-ISIS-terrorist-stabbed-tourist-death-Germany-wanted-cut-Christians-tongues.html


Right wing propaganda outlets admit the "voter fraud" garbage they were pushing is complete crap after they were going to be hit with legal action. 


Fox News, Newsmax air statements debunking voter-fraud claims they pushed on air

NEW YORK — Two election technology companies whose names have come up in President Donald Trump’s false charges of widespread voter fraud in the presidential election are fighting back, prompting unusual public statements from Fox News and Newsmax.

The statements, over the weekend and on Monday, came after the companies Smartmatic and Dominion raised the prospect of legal action for reporting what they said was false information about them.

Both companies were referenced in the campaign’s suggestion that vote counts in swing states were manipulated to the advantage of President-elect Joe Biden. The companies deny several statements made about them, and there is no evidence any voting system switched or deleted votes in the 2020 election.

A nearly two-minute pre-taped segment was aired over the weekend on Fox Business Network programs hosted by Lou Dobbs and Maria Bartiromo, and a Fox News Channel show with Jeanine Pirro.

That came days after Smartmatic sent a letter threatening legal action to Fox and two other networks popular with Trump supporters, Newsmax and One America News Network.

The two-minute Fox segments aired in the form of a question-and-answer session between an offscreen voice and Eddie Perez, a voting technology expert at the nonpartisan Open Source Election Technology Institute.

“I have not seen any evidence that Smartmatic software was used to delete, change or alter anything related to vote tabulations,” Perez said.

The company says its only work that involved the 2020 U.S. election came in Los Angeles. Trump lawyer Rudolph Giuliani has falsely claimed that Smartmatic was founded in Venezuela by former dictator Hugo Chavez for the goal of fixing elections. Smartmatic was started in Florida in 2000. Its founder is Venezuelan, but the company said Chavez was never involved, and its last work in Venezuela came in 2017 when its software found the government had reported false turnout numbers.

After the segment aired Sunday on Bartiromo’s show, she said, “So that is where we stand right now. We will keep investigating.”

Perez also said there was no apparent business relationship between Smartmatic and Dominion; Trump’s lawyers have claimed with no evidence that Dominion’s vote counting system used at some locations in the U.S. elections had used Smartmatic’s software.

Asked Monday about the segments, Smartmatic’s lawyer, J. Erik Connolly, said the company “cannot comment on the recent broadcast by Fox News due to potential litigation.”

The network did not comment beyond the on-air segments aired over the weekend.

A statement aired by Newsmax anchors on Monday, and also printed on the company website, was much broader and concerned both Smartmatic and Dominion.

In the statement, Newsmax said there were “several facts our viewers and readers should be aware,” among them the lack of a business relationship between the two companies or that Dominion had any ownership relationship with George Soros, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and others.

“No evidence has been offered that Dominion or Smartmatic used software or reprogrammed software that manipulated votes in the 2020 election,” Newsmax said.

Company spokesman Anthony Rizzo said Newsmax itself had never made a claim of impropriety, but that others had appeared on the network to raise questions about Smartmatic.

“As any major media outlet, we provide a forum for public concerns and discussion,” he said.

There was no immediate response to a request for comment from OANN.

Dominion has not specifically targeted any news organization. Instead, last week its lawyers sent a letter to Sidney Powell, demanding the Trump supporter retract several of the “wild and reckless” allegations she has made about them. The company said some of its employees have been stalked, harassed and received death threats.

Powell, an appellate lawyer from Texas, was part of the president’s legal team immediately after the election but was disavowed after making accusations of a scheme to manipulate voting machines.

In its letter to Powell, Dominion lawyers Thomas Clare and Megan Meier said that the company had no ties “to the Chinese government, the Venezuelan government, Hugo Chavez, (British politician) Malloch Brown, George Soros, Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster.”

Powell did not immediately return a request for comment.

Clare said Dominion’s immediate focus is on Powell for what she has been saying about the company.

“Moving forward, we will certainly be taking a close look at others who have participated directly in the defamatory campaign, as well as those who have recklessly provided a platform for these discredited allegations,” he said

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fox-news-newsmax-air-statements-debunking-voter-fraud-claims-they-pushed-on-air-01608595049

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2938 on: December 22, 2020, 07:59:04 AM »
The laptop is in the possession of the FBI not Rudy.  LOL.   

The alleged hard drive is not. Why did Rudy refuse to let any news outlet examine it?
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2939 on: December 22, 2020, 08:04:50 AM »
Fake conspiracies is all right wingers have...pathetic!

It’s amusing to see “Richard” become the kooky conspiracy theorist that he is always ranting about.

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« Reply #2940 on: December 22, 2020, 08:45:03 AM »
Here is a fact check for you.  I will dig the information for you as you don't want back up your statement!   Maybe you don't believe the timeline stated in the NY Times?  Just posting to prove your disinformation on this one!

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/us/politics/joe-biden-ukraine.html

You seem to be very gullible and way too easy to influence with incorrect or incomplete information.

Yes, Russia invaded Ukraine, but not all of it. They are still fighting in the area near the border with Russia but at least 2/3 of the country hasn't seen a Russian soldier. So, I'm not sure what your point is. The NY Times isn't helping your allegations against Joe and Hunder Biden at all. In fact it completely destroys them. Maybe you should read the article again and pay a bit more attention.

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The USA Today confirmed that Shokin was investigating Burisma for the period 2010-2012 in 2014 and was fired in 2016.   They have blended the article to make it look like he was investigating a prior period.    It was said he was investigating Burisma in a period from 2010-2012 interval and not the present when he was fired in 2016?   

Again, look at how USA Today misconstrues the facts and tries to cover.

Wrong information again. Shokin was supposed to investigate fraud but he never actually did. That was the problem.

Hunter Biden is a capital investments professional who was recruited to the board of Burisma in 2014, so even if Shokin was investigating Burimsa for the period 2010 - 2012, it had nothing to do with him. And, yes, he joined Burisma when Joe Biden started dealing, on behalf of the US Government, with the new President of the Ukraine. You claim the two events were somehow connected but there is not a shred of proof for it. USA Tody did not misconstrue facts. You do!

The aid money that was being withheld came from the International Monetary Fund. They did not want to provide it unless Shokin was removed from his position, because of his blatant corruption. Do you really believe the I.M.F. was involved in doing Hunter Biden a favor? The whole notion is pathetic.

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Sure Joe.  We needed to get rid of him because he was investigating Burisma. There was no investigation of Hunter Biden!  It was a pay for play scheme.  He used his influence and quid pro quo for Hunter to receive $50,000/month from a company that was no longer under investigation because he got rid of the prosecutor!  Why do you think Hunter was hired?  His expertise or the influence of his father to stop an investigation into Bursima and its past corruption?  Pretty easy to piece that puzzle together when you see that Biden influenced the firing of Shokin and cleared Burisma of investigation - Quid Pro Joe!

You get your facts straight!  The firing of Shokin was in March 2016 and happened coincidentally at the time Hunter was receiving 50k/month on its board  beginning in 2014 and continued on  until 2019! Biden used his influence  and was proud of it and of his son.  Devon Archer was also on the board and Joe went golfing with the two of them in August 2014. He claims he knows nothing of his son's dealings and how he was set up at Burisma by chance - blatant lies.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/01/joe-and-hunter-biden-golfed-with-ukraine-gas-executive-in-2014/


All you present is wild speculation and then you tell me to get my facts straight? Really?

Why do you think Hunter was hired?  His expertise or the influence of his father to stop an investigation into Bursima and its past corruption?

Do you even know what Hunter Biden's expertise is? He's a lawyer and was Vice President of Amtrak from 2006 to 2009 appointed to the position by President George W. Bush. When he was on the board of Burisma, there were members of Royal Houses in Europe also on the board. So, he made $50,000/month. In the world he was moving in, such an amount is peanuts.

Another "fact" that you get completely wrong is that Joe Biden influenced the firing of Shokin. He didn't. He was just the messenger. The International Monetary Fund and the Obama Administration were going to give financial aid to Ukraine, but did not want it to go to waste due to the corruption there was in that country under their previous President (another Putin buddy, like Trump!). Many European countries as well as the International Monetary Fund also wanted Shokin gone because of the same corruption, so they had Joe Biden put pressure on the Ukraine Government, telling them if they wanted the financial aid they had to get rid of Shokin. Which is exactly what they did. It was widely reported in Europe at the time and it had nothing to do with Burisma or Hunter Biden! Joe Biden personally had no influence, but as the VP representing the US Government he had.

Crazy Republicans and right wing media outlets, who never let true facts get in the way of a fake story, saw an opportunity to damage Joe Biden when it became clear that he would run against Trump in 2020. Prior to that nobody gave a damn about any of this. But once Joe Biden became a threat to Trump's re-election they started to concoct this pathetic story and it suddenly became "a scandal". And it isn't the only BS story they came up with. The Benghazi "investigation" and the e-mail server "scandal" only lasted as long as Hillary Clinton was a threat to Trump.

For guys like you, sharing an office space or being on a plane with somebody is already deemed to be corruption, at least when it concerns Hunter and Joe Biden, but when Guiliani and Trump teamed up with highly questionable Ukraine "businessmen" Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman (who are both currently under investigation for, among other things, funneling Russian money into U.S. elections) the Right wingers said nothing. Not a word about corruption and guess what, those guys were making far more money than Hunter Biden ever did. That's a hell of a double standard.

Stay safe and keep misinformed. It seems to be the only way to make you happy.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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« Reply #2941 on: December 22, 2020, 09:18:10 AM »
When 'Daffy Donald the Lame Duck' gets his shot at the Pearly Gates, he will be met by the kids he separated from their parents, the thousands of people who died of the virus while he idly dragged his bone spurs around the golf course, the women he molested (and who knows what the hell he got up to at Jerry Epstein's parties), and the tradespeople he didn't pay all congregate for the final tally, they'll proclaim: ROAST HIM!
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2942 on: December 22, 2020, 04:10:33 PM »
:D :D :D

Fake conspiracies is all right wingers have...pathetic!

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Huh?  What conspiracy is that?  I'm claiming the laptop belongs to Hunter and that he left it at the computer store.  No conspiracy.  Just a crackhead doing what a crackhead does.  It's you and China Joe alleging some type of kooky conspiracy involving Russia and Rudy!  I knew you were not very bright but at least be honest.   
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2943 on: December 22, 2020, 05:40:32 PM »
Huh?  What conspiracy is that?  I'm claiming the laptop belongs to Hunter and that he left it at the computer store.  No conspiracy.  Just a crackhead doing what a crackhead does.  It's you and China Joe alleging some type of kooky conspiracy involving Russia and Rudy!  I knew you were not very bright but at least be honest.

I'm claiming the laptop belongs to Hunter and that he left it at the computer store.

And you have no way of knowing that's true. You just accept right wing propaganda as true....

Hunter Biden is a wealthy man. He doesn't need to get his laptop repaired in some obscure shop in Delaware. And even less so when he is living in California. FFS, the store owner can't even identify Hunter Biden as the man who brought in the laptop. The whole laptop thing has all the hallmarks of a black op. And before you claim that those kind of things don't happen in the USA, you should do some research into what Howard E. Hunt got up to for Nixon to destroy the political ambitions of then VP Hubert Humphrey.

Although unrelated, a far more interesting black op, which shows you just how far they go to pass of a fake as real, happened during the Second World War, when the allies wanted to convince Hitler that the invasion was going to take somewhere else than it did. The operation was called "Mincemeat". There is a documentary about it on You Tube. You should watch it, despite the fact that it happened so many years ago. Look what kind of tricks they had up their sleeve then and imagine what those tricks are like nowadays with all the modern means they have available to them.

And you may call Hunter Biden a crackhead, but that only tells me you haven't checked out his history either. Do you really think President George W. Bush would appoint Hunter Biden VP of Amtrak if he was just a crackhead?

And what do you think of Rudy now, after Fox News and Newsmax, faced with a massive lawsuit from the two companies involved, withdrawing all their bogus claims about the voting machines being rigged! Rudy had nothing to do with that bogus story either, just like the fake Ukraine story about Shokin, right?

And before you go on about the videos and pictures and so on... They are likely authentic and could well have been stolen by a hacker. After that it's easy to bury a massive lie amongst authentic materials and claim it's all real.

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