Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Bill Chapman]

All this I could tolerate. Even the stupid wall. Because we need at least two parties. So, I remained a Republican and hoped for change within the party. But enough is enough.

Trump is trying to overturn a valid Presidential election. The standard first step in becoming a dictator for life. And using the usual argument, that the election was rigged.

75 % of Republican voters seem to accept this unfounded claim. Accept that the voting machines were rigged despite the manual recounts which clearly show they were not. Worse, way too many Republicans in the Senate and House seem to at least be going through the motions of supporting this. They are afraid of being primaried out. Their commitment to getting reelected is greater than their commitment to democracy, to the will of the people, to basic American principles.

I believe in Capitalism, in keeping government spending down to a reasonable level. In 1945, Britain turned against Churchill and the Conservative party and adopted socialism. But democracy remained. They followed the will of the people. Eventually, the people of Britain wised up and went back to Capitalism under Margaret Thatcher and they recovered.

Of course, Churchill would never do such a thing. He was a good man, a great man. His commitment to Democracy was always at the forefront. Never to take a back seat to his pride or anything else.

Would Britain have been better off if Churchill declared the 1945 elections rigged, voided it, and stayed in power. Perhaps in the short run. But the resulting dictatorship would become unresponsive to the will of the people and could ruin Britain down to the present day.

Democracy, the will of the people, is more important than capitalism. Besides, are the Republicans really vastly better than the Democrats at keeping government spending down?

So, enough is enough. Once the pandemic is under control, I will go re-register as a Democrat or an Independent.

'Of course, Churchill would never do such a thing.
He was a good man, a great man'

Joe Elliott

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Not so fast
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[Allan Fritzke]

You really need to stop repeating already debunked claims.

I am afraid you are the one  doing that.  So let us see what OSET has to offer in their video by looking at their "expert" report  listed per their Twitter account.  Please note they had one person's unsigned opinion up against a team of experts assembled by ASOG which was signed.  He seems to have knowledge and access to data provided by DVS for their Antrim County machines- according to what he said!  He must went there and looked as well!

Let me summarize what ASOG did.   Report summary for ya!

https://www.9and10news.com/content/uploads/2020/12/Antrim_Michigan_Forensics_Report_121320_v2_REDACTED.pdf   
(This link gives the same information as that from scribd.)
 
1) They made a pretty bold statement with regard to link between Smartmatic and Dominion Voting Systems (DVS) which was not backed up, but they did sign the report!  I guess they will be sued for providing false information below!

Dominion voting system is a Canadian owned company with global subsidiaries. It  is  owned  by  Staple  Street  Capital which  is  in  turn  owned  by  UBS  Securities LLC, of  which 3  out  of their 7  board  members  are  Chinese  nationals.  The Dominion  software  is  licensed  from  Smartmatic  which  is  a  Venezuelan  owned and controlled company. Dominion Server locations have been determined to be in Serbia, Canada, the US,Spain and Germany.

We do know that less that Smartmatic had its beginning out of a home in Florida.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Jos%C3%A9_Anzola  Alfredo Anzola died in 2008 in a plane crash with his lawyer on the way to a Smartmatic meeting. A happenstance death Joe!

Smartmatic was officially incorporated on April 11, 2000 in Delaware by Alfredo José Anzola.[20][21][22] Smartmatic was then a fledgling technology start-up. Its registered address was the Boca Raton, Florida, home of the father of one of the two young Venezuelan engineers who were its principal officers, Antonio Mugica and Alfredo Anzola, and it had a one—room office with a single secretary.[23] Smartmatic was a little-known firm with no experience in voting technology before it was chosen by the Venezuelan authorities to replace the country's elections machinery ahead of a contentious referendum that confirmed Hugo Chávez as president in August 2004

Fast forward to 2020,  Smartmatic was used in LA but only there in 2020 elections.  We have data that say DVS is licensed under Smartmatic because they purchased Sequoia.

https://bradblog.com/?p=6005     (2008 archive file)

Recent court documents unearthed and published by The BRAD BLOG, detailing the terms of the attempted hostile takeover of Sequoia by competitor Hart InterCivic, make clear that Smartmatic still retains the intellectual property (IP) rights over Sequoia's popular, if oft-failed e-voting systems, as well as licensing control of the software used in their voting machines and tabulators.

The employee asked about the ownership of the Intellectual Property (IP) rights of the voting systems sold in the United States by Sequoia.

"We have the source code, and we have the right to modify it any way we want to modify it," he explained to the employee, concerning the company's ongoing licensing agreement with Smartmatic. "So it doesn't matter really whether we have the IP or not."

Sequoia was sold to Domininion Voting Systems in September 2010.  Proof can be found in the career of Venezuelan Software Engineer Frederico Arnoa who has been in all the companies including Bitza!  I assume he is stating facts about himself.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/farnao/?originalSubdomain=ca


2) They forensically duplicated the hard drive from an actual machine from Antrim County with a number and software contained on it.  Otherwise, where did they get their information from to write their report?  They have provided pictures of the tower, serial number where they have dumped what was on that physical computer.   Looks like clear evidence of where their copy of the software came from.  Page 13 Dell Tower 3420 with service tag 6NBK602.  Page 13/14.  It used raid-1 where one hard drive clones to another as backup.

So this information tells me that they actually took a physical computer from Antrim County and downloaded everything from it onto another hard drive.  They have captured the software that was being used in Antrim County as of December 6, 2020 when they did this.

3) From this, they began to use the Antrim County software on that machine and looked into it.   This is the "master" machine in which govered data on memory sticks is fed in and then uploaded from there.   It was actual copy of what was on that tower Service Tag 6NBK602 from point 2.    They found that this computer contained logs that said the adjudication software was enabled for all write-in votes except on 2 logs.  The operator in these cases manually adjudicate ballots.  The picture on Page 18 shows that the software was set according to the process logs to the Weighted Inclusive Gregory Method (WIGM).   Really not sure because of redaction what that means.  Normally this weighting method is used if you have 50 candidates for 10 positions and you want the voting outcome to result in 10 positions being filled. 

Can you dispute that they obtained this information from an Antrim County Tower?   Were did they get this software from that contains this logged data as to how votes were being handled?

Now compare their findings with the critical analysis provided by an accepted expert from OSET.   This so called "debunking" statement"  is offered as opinion as it is NOT signed by Ryan Macias.  He also claims to know what exact software Antrim County on their Dell tower.  Did he do a forensic analysis or is he just making blanket statements about what they had?

https://twitter.com/OSET/status/1342193413349728256

The link goes to the good old factcheck organization to debunk the ASOG report!   Again one man, no signature and put out there as fact!

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Rebuttal_ASOG-Antrim_Report.pdf

4.Antrim  County  has  not  purchased,  installed,  and  did  not  use  the  full  suite  of  the  DVS D-Suite 5.5 voting system.

So why did the software coming out of their Dell machine pictured not still have that? He is suggesting that the data found and analyzed is not from the machine!  He talks an authority on what they found on the actual tower!

5.Antrim  County  does  not  own  a  license  for,  nor  has  it  installed  the  EMS  Adjudication  software  applications  and  services.

It sure as heck doesn't look like that was what they could see in the logs uncovered by their report. 

Antrim  County does not have the Adjudication software and any ballot that would need adjudication would be conducted manually

He is making a blanket statement.  The ASOG report says that in all but 2 of the logs they examined,  the adjudication software was on.  The report set up by Ryan Macias and used by OSET in their Twitter is so full of holes that it raises even more questions.  Ryan had claimed Antrim county doesn't even own the software that was examined by ASOG and found on an "actual machine as seen by photos and tag" in their report as evidenced by the logs contained in it!   Little wonder he didn't sign that.

OSET has done nothing more than muddied the waters and put out misinformation.   Using Twitter's guideline and strict censorship rules, that Tweet and statement should be censored and the video banned from Youtube for spreading lies.

[Martin Weidmann]

I am afraid you are the one  doing that.  So let us see what OSET has to offer in their video by looking at their "expert" report  listed per their Twitter account.  Please note they had one person's unsigned opinion up against a team of experts assembled by ASOG which was signed.  He seems to have knowledge and access to data provided by DVS for their Antrim County machines- according to what he said!  He must went there and looked as well!

Let me summarize what ASOG did.   Report summary for ya!

https://www.9and10news.com/content/uploads/2020/12/Antrim_Michigan_Forensics_Report_121320_v2_REDACTED.pdf   
(This link gives the same information as that from scribd.)
 
1) They made a pretty bold statement with regard to link between Smartmatic and Dominion Voting Systems (DVS) which was not backed up, but they did sign the report!  I guess they will be sued for providing false information below!

We do know that less that Smartmatic had its beginning out of a home in Florida.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Jos%C3%A9_Anzola  Alfredo Anzola died in 2008 in a plane crash with his lawyer on the way to a Smartmatic meeting. A happenstance death Joe!

Fast forward to 2020,  Smartmatic was used in LA but only there in 2020 elections.  We have data that say DVS is licensed under Smartmatic because they purchased Sequoia.

https://bradblog.com/?p=6005     (2008 archive file)
Sequoia was sold to Domininion Voting Systems in September 2010.  Proof can be found in the career of Venezuelan Software Engineer Frederico Arnoa who has been in all the companies including Bitza!  I assume he is stating facts about himself.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/farnao/?originalSubdomain=ca


2) They forensically duplicated the hard drive from an actual machine from Antrim County with a number and software contained on it.  Otherwise, where did they get their information from to write their report?  They have provided pictures of the tower, serial number where they have dumped what was on that physical computer.   Looks like clear evidence of where their copy of the software came from.  Page 13 Dell Tower 3420 with service tag 6NBK602.  Page 13/14.  It used raid-1 where one hard drive clones to another as backup.

So this information tells me that they actually took a physical computer from Antrim County and downloaded everything from it onto another hard drive.  They have captured the software that was being used in Antrim County as of December 6, 2020 when they did this.

3) From this, they began to use the Antrim County software on that machine and looked into it.   This is the "master" machine in which govered data on memory sticks is fed in and then uploaded from there.   It was actual copy of what was on that tower Service Tag 6NBK602 from point 2.    They found that this computer contained logs that said the adjudication software was enabled for all write-in votes except on 2 logs.  The operator in these cases manually adjudicate ballots.  The picture on Page 18 shows that the software was set according to the process logs to the Weighted Inclusive Gregory Method (WIGM).   Really not sure because of redaction what that means.  Normally this weighting method is used if you have 50 candidates for 10 positions and you want the voting outcome to result in 10 positions being filled. 

Can you dispute that they obtained this information from an Antrim County Tower?   Were did they get this software from that contains this logged data as to how votes were being handled?

Now compare their findings with the critical analysis provided by an accepted expert from OSET.   This so called "debunking" statement"  is offered as opinion as it is NOT signed by Ryan Macias.  He also claims to know what exact software Antrim County on their Dell tower.  Did he do a forensic analysis or is he just making blanket statements about what they had?

https://twitter.com/OSET/status/1342193413349728256

The link goes to the good old factcheck organization to debunk the ASOG report!   Again one man, no signature and put out there as fact!

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Rebuttal_ASOG-Antrim_Report.pdf

So why did the software coming out of their Dell machine pictured not still have that? He is suggesting that the data found and analyzed is not from the machine!  He talks an authority on what they found on the actual tower!

It sure as heck doesn't look like that was what they could see in the logs uncovered by their report. 

He is making a blanket statement.  The ASOG report says that in all but 2 of the logs they examined,  the adjudication software was on.  The report set up by Ryan Macias and used by OSET in their Twitter is so full of holes that it raises even more questions.  Ryan had claimed Antrim county doesn't even own the software that was examined by ASOG and found on an "actual machine as seen by photos and tag" in their report as evidenced by the logs contained in it!   Little wonder he didn't sign that.

OSET has done nothing more than muddied the waters and put out misinformation.   Using Twitter's guideline and strict censorship rules, that Tweet and statement should be censored and the video banned from Youtube for spreading lies.

Oh boy...

I don't know what resources Newmax has, but Fox News most certainly has the funds to defend itself against any lawsuit brought by Dominion or Smartmatic, if they truly believed the BS that Sidney Powell was spreading around. But they didn't risk it and broadcast a retraction. It was done in a rather pathetic way by means of this video but it was a retraction nevertheless. Newsmax went even further.

Now you can throw around all sorts of conjecture but at the end of the day the legal department of Fox News (and believe me, they have one) decided that whatever "evidence" there was, wasn't enough to risk a million dollar lawsuit that could have destroyed the network.

And, I'm not spreading misinformation or repeating debunked claims. I merely showed you two videos that speak for themselves. If - as you claim - those claims are not debunked than it's Fox News and Newsmax you need to talk to, not me.

[Joe Elliott]

'Of course, Churchill would never do such a thing.
He was a good man, a great man'

Joe Elliott

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Not so fast
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I didn’t say he didn’t have any racist views. I said he was committed to democracy and the rule of the people.

His views on race were typical of his generation. But no one talks of Stalin’s antisemitic views, or of punishing whole groups of people in the Soviet Union whose only crime was belonging to the wrong racial or ethnic group. Or Che Cuevara wrote "The Negro is indolent and lazy and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent."

I am just wondering why, on the subject of racism, Churchill is brought up so much while the heroes of Socialism are brought up so little?

Churchill was not a perfect man. But he was a good man and a great man.

[Joe Elliott]

By the way, if this 2020 Presidential Election conspiracy theory continues beyond January 2021, which I am sure it will, who can doubt that we will soon see a list of mysterious deaths of Dominion Voting Systems employees, poll workers, poll watchers, and government officials involved in this controversy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Jos%C3%A9_Anzola  Alfredo Anzola died in 2008 in a plane crash with his lawyer on the way to a Smartmatic meeting. A happenstance death Joe!

Well, what do you know? I guess the mysterious deaths started way back in 2008.

[Bill Chapman]

I didn’t say he didn’t have any racist views. I said he was committed to democracy and the rule of the people.

His views on race were typical of his generation. But no one talks of Stalin’s antisemitic views, or of punishing whole groups of people in the Soviet Union whose only crime was belonging to the wrong racial or ethnic group. Or Che Cuevara wrote "The Negro is indolent and lazy and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent."

I am just wondering why, on the subject of racism, Churchill is brought up so much while the heroes of Socialism are brought up so little?

Churchill was not a perfect man. But he was a good man and a great man.

That's an alarming attitude.

One cannot be a good man, let alone a great man, if one is also ignorant about racism. And blaming the era is giving the offending individual an unearned free pass.

[Joe Elliott]

That's an alarming attitude.

One cannot be a good man, let alone a great man, if one is also ignorant about racism. And blaming the era is giving the offending individual an unearned free pass.

Not an alarming attitude. A realistic one. People are affected by their environment. The attitudes they learn from others are going to affect their thinking. I think it is reasonable to judge a nineteenth century person differently than a twenty first century person, even if both have similar views.

I mean, let’s consider Sir Isaac Newton. He didn’t know anything about the theory of evolution, plate tectonics, the age of the earth and a host of other things. He was practically scientifically illiterate.

And I’m not exactly saying Churchill should be given a free pass. I’m saying we should be even handed about it. If the subject of Karl Marx comes up, rarely does one bring up his antisemitic statements. Yes, it is possible for a person who is Jewish to make antisemitic statements. If the subject of Joseph Stalin comes up, rarely does one bring up just antisemitic and anti-ethnic actions. If the subject of Che Cuevara comes up, rarely does his racist statements come up. But a mention of Churchill has a high probability of bringing up his objectionable statements.

I’m not asking for Churchill to be given a free ride. I’m just asking for fairness. When I see the left-wing heroes criticized as often as Churchill is for racists views, then I’ll stop objecting to these criticisms to Churchill.

[John Iacoletti]

On election night,  Trump was in a commanding lead.  How were those results put on teevee?   That was in person voting.   Then, election polling was closed.   You have that ratio of votes that you saw.   In a normal vote, you would expect the mail in ratio would be similar to what you saw in live polling.  Instead, you saw a flip. 

Are you really confused about why Biden got the vast majority of the absentee and mail-in votes? Seriously? Hint: Trump told his followers not to do that. Another hint: Trump followers are COVID deniers.

  After 3 days of mail in counting, enough votes were found by mail to overthrow the live polling results.   Is that how popular vote works?

Yes. Are you really confused about why it takes longer to count mail-in ballots?

In a place like Florida, was there a massive Biden surge in votes due to mail in? 

Yes. The difference is that in Florida the mail-in votes were counted first.

Election integrity means you need to look at the physical ballots and not just feed them through the same machines that gave the same score last time.

What makes you think they didn’t do that the first time?

Mail in votes should be scrutinized just as hard as those that came in person to vote. 

What makes you think they’re not?

If this was examined and shown that Biden won, there was and is no problem.

There is for Trump, because any result other than him winning is by definition “fraudulent”.

However, if you have affidavits signed (and perjury is punishable by incarceration), then lets throw these people into jail for lying about what they put their signatures.  Let's make the case and prove it.   We saw how the FBI worked over campaign workers in the Trump campaign and incarcerated them for lying to them, lets force the judges to make real decisions instead of just throwing out the accusation as being unfounded, lacked evidence and not worth pursuing.  No time for that!

Somebody who studies the JFK case should know that just because somebody claims something happened, that doesn’t make it true. You have to back it up with actual evidence.

We can't prove that anyone used the machines fraudulently to count votes and never will.  However, if you insist on using machines which have the capability written in the operator's manual to divide votes by percentage, there is a major problem. 

Why? They sell their machines to countries that actually do that.

For some reason, these electronic voting systems were not used across the entire country in all states. Why not?

Because each state determines how it conducts its elections.