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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3072 on: January 01, 2021, 09:19:16 AM »
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Who is most likely to believe:

•   Hundreds of programmers, going against basic American values, made programs to rigged the election. And kept this secret.
•   Thousands of poll workers, going against basic American values, snuck in boxes full of fraudulent ballots, counting the same ballot over and over again, to rig the election. And kept this secret.

Who is most likely to believe this?

The same group who believes:

•   Hundreds of CIA agents and FBI agents and police officers and autopsy doctors, helped assassinate a President, or helped coverup the assassination of a President. And doing so went against basic American values. And kept this secret.

It is the CTers. Clearly the ones who believe in a Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy to assassinate an American President are going to be the ones most predisposed to believe in a Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy to rig an American Election. If you deny this then you are in denial. That is why we see, on this forum, the ones who believe in this Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy to rig the 2020 Presidential Election also happen to be CTers. What else would we expect to see?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3073 on: January 01, 2021, 05:57:15 PM »

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rudy-giuliani-spends-new-year-s-eve-on-parler-attacking-republican-quislings/ar-BB1coZk5?ocid=msedgdhp

Well, he is the latest information from Trump’s attorney, Rudy Giuliani:

Rudy Giuliani Spends New Year's Eve on Parler Attacking 'Republican Quislings'

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"There are 5 State Legislatures that know their vote tallies submitted to US Congress are a fraud,”
"Most of the Republican legislators want to correct the lies and expose the massive Biden vote theft. Only a few Republican 'leaders' are worried about the rejection by the Deep State media, politicians and businesses."
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"Expose these vacillators and let them make a choice; join Deep State conspiracy or save our nation from a fraudulent election."

So, there you have it from a top Trump spokesman. The belief in the “Stolen Election” is tied to the belief in the existence of a conspiracy of the “Deep State”. Belief in the “Deep State” is quite common among JFK CTers and 2020 Election CTers. It’s just they use different actors. For one group it is the media, politicians and businesses that control things behind the scene. For the other group it’s the CIA, the military, businesses and politicians that do this.

So, again, why exactly is that we should not expect people who adopt a JFK Conspiracy belief by the Deep State to be more likely to adopt a 2020 Stolen Election Conspiracy belief by the Deep State?

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3074 on: January 01, 2021, 06:14:18 PM »

Idiots on parade following their banner:

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/951267532/multiple-coronavirus-cases-after-republican-christmas-party-in-new-york

Big joke, except people who didn’t even attend the party will likely die as a result. The virus just keeps spreading and spreading.

I like the quote from one partier: "Do I regret going to the party? Maybe," he said. "Is it the party's fault? No. Life happens." It’s not so much the bad decisions that people make. It’s more like an act of God.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3075 on: January 01, 2021, 08:54:47 PM »
Who is most likely to believe:

•   Hundreds of programmers, going against basic American values, made programs to rigged the election. And kept this secret.
•   Thousands of poll workers, going against basic American values, snuck in boxes full of fraudulent ballots, counting the same ballot over and over again, to rig the election. And kept this secret.

Who is most likely to believe this?

The same group who believes:

•   Hundreds of CIA agents and FBI agents and police officers and autopsy doctors, helped assassinate a President, or helped coverup the assassination of a President. And doing so went against basic American values. And kept this secret.

It is the CTers. Clearly the ones who believe in a Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy to assassinate an American President are going to be the ones most predisposed to believe in a Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy to rig an American Election. If you deny this then you are in denial. That is why we see, on this forum, the ones who believe in this Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy to rig the 2020 Presidential Election also happen to be CTers. What else would we expect to see?

Horsesh*t. The Republicans are the ones that belong to the conspiracy/propaganda party. Qanon is 100% GOP. Just ask Richard. Fake Fox KGB News is too. And it's only you that claims that hundreds of CIA & FBI agents were part of the Big Event. You certainly like to inform the CTs what they believe.

In reality, you only needed a couple dozen conspirators to pull off the Big Event if their marching orders came from the top. The others are just gullible LNers who dismiss the JFK assassination as a BS Large-Scale-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy. You LNers stick your head in the sand and ignore or scoff at all evidence suggesting otherwise, just like the WC planned it. Fortunately for the WC, there is a gullible sucker born every minute. They were counting on you guys to discredit the CTs as tinfoil-hat conspiracy nutjobs so you can dismiss everything they say without fact-checking anything, like Drumpf or Alex Jones, who are both staunch Republicans/Conspiracists.

You should spend more time using critical thinking and logic to refute the evidence presented rather than psycho-analyzing the dumbass CTs with your BS and telling them what they think. After all, LNers are the fringe minority here, not the CTs.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3076 on: January 01, 2021, 09:37:00 PM »

Horsesh*t. The Republicans are the ones that belong to the conspiracy/propaganda party. Qanon is 100% GOP. Just ask Richard. Fake Fox KGB News is too. And it's only you that claims that hundreds of CIA & FBI agents were part of the Big Event. You certainly like to inform the CTs what they believe.

Really? It’s the Republicans who believe in all these bogus conspiracy theories? Like the 9/11 conspiracy theory? The Apollo Moon Landing Hoax conspiracy theory? I myself am a Republican, or at least I was two months ago, though never a supporter of Trump, but I don’t believe in any Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy Theory.

In truth, what predicts whether one believes in one or more Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy theories, is not whether one is a Republican or a Democrat. It is rather how logical one is. If one is willing to accept a Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy. If one is willing to accept a Secret Conspiracy that was very powerful. That dictated a Presidential Election in a country filled with people who respect the principle of majority rule. Or that dictated whether the U. S. would go to war in a country that was months away from a large-scale invasion, which the conspirators couldn’t have known about.

Being a Republican or a Democrat will influence which conspiracy theory a person will adopt who is prone to believing in such things. But it does not influence whether they are prone to such beliefs.


In reality, you only needed a couple dozen conspirators to pull off the Big Event if their marching orders came from the top. The others are just gullible LNers who dismiss the JFK assassination as a BS Large-Scale-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy. You LNers stick your head in the sand and ignore or scoff at all evidence suggesting otherwise, just like the WC planned it. Fortunately for the WC, there is a gullible sucker born every minute. They were counting on you guys to discredit the CTs as tinfoil-hat conspiracy nutjobs so you can dismiss everything they say without fact-checking anything, like Drumpf or Alex Jones, who are both staunch Republicans/Conspiracists.

All conspiracy theorists say the same thing. In 1947 the ‘Deep State’ only need a dozen powerful people to put into effect an evil alliance between the U. S. Government and the space aliens. As shown in the signed Majestic 12 “document”. An alliance which, presumably, is still in effect today.


You should spend more time using critical thinking and logic to refute the evidence presented rather than psycho-analyzing the dumbass CTs with your BS and telling them what they think. After all, LNers are the fringe minority here, not the CTs.

At this forum and in this country, the LNers are indeed the fringe minority. Just as the men and women in Germany who stood against Hitler in the 1930’s, were in the fringe minority. And the Abolitionists were in the fringe minority, right up until, I believe, 1865. All those fringe minorities had a much smaller percentage of supporters than the LNers of today. Soon, the believers in the Theory of Evolution, the believers in Science itself may find ourselves in the fringe minority, if we are not already there. The majority should dictate what government we have, but not what I believe to be true. Only a fool allows the majority to dictate that.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3077 on: January 01, 2021, 10:41:55 PM »
Really? It’s the Republicans who believe in all these bogus conspiracy theories? Like the 9/11 conspiracy theory? The Apollo Moon Landing Hoax conspiracy theory? I myself am a Republican, or at least I was two months ago, though never a supporter of Trump, but I don’t believe in any Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy Theory.

I repeat, the GOP are the conspiracy/propaganda party, not the Dems. Qanon is 100% GOP. You guys watch way too much Fake Fox News and Alex Jones to be a LNer. Otherwise, which Dem believes the 9/11 conspiracy or that the Apollo Moon Landing was hoaxed?

It's fine to claim that you don't believe in any Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy Theories but saying it, isn't debunking it. You don't debunk them just because you think they are LSE conspiracies. You must refute them with logic and evidence, otherwise, who cares what you think?

For example, use some critical thinking to please explain how 2 planes can bring down 3 buildings when no fire has ever brought down a steel framed building, ever. Keep in mind that no steel framed building has ever collapsed into its own footprint at free fall speed because it is physically impossible to do so without explosives. If you were an engineer or a physicist you would understand why. Even the NIST Report conceded that.

I am not claiming that 9/11 was a LSE conspiracy but I am also unable to debunk it. Can you? Show us how logical you are.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3078 on: January 02, 2021, 12:15:03 AM »
Provide a quote from Richard Smith so that I can check to see if he ever did make such claims.

Already done on page 311.

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3079 on: January 02, 2021, 12:17:04 AM »

Already done on page 311.

False. Readers should go back to page 311 and judge for themselves.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3079 on: January 02, 2021, 12:17:04 AM »