Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Allan Fritzke]

Hate speech has always existed and is all over the internet and pretty easy to spot. I don't like it one bit, but I will defend anybody's right to vent their hatred, as long as it doesn't incite violence. As soon as it incites any kind of violence it is no longer covered by freedom of speech

At the same time you censor the call for election integrity as a violent threat and harmful disinformation when you want to make sure your vote counts.

Stop spinning it. It wasn't a call for election intergrity; it was spreading a massive lie about unproven voter fraud that never happened which ultimately resulted in clear incitement of violence. Telling deliberate lies and falsely accusing people of something they did not do is not covered by freedom of speech.

The NYPost makes a credible newspaper article about Hunter Biden's laptop pre-election and they are censored for it - no  freedom of press.  In that case it was called "harmful disinformation"!  Basement Joe has never denied any of it and refuses to make even a comment on it because it could be used against him.

That the NYPost wrote a credible article remains to be seen. None of it's allegations have been proven and they were clearly positing it to influence the election. That's the definition of harmful disinformation. Joe Biden did not have to deny it. The Post had to prove that the allegations were true and failed to do so. If you want freedom of speech to mean that anybody can make up false stories about other people, for the purpose of doing damage to those people, than you will be in for a wild ride.

There was no censorship prior or after the elections. They just stopped a bunch of people from spreading lies. Freedom of speech is not unlimited. When you say things that are not true and are only said to harm others, you are crossing the line. Period.

It would nice if Basement Joe would just come out and deny it.   You certainly have made your point about inciting violence.  It is okay for Madonna to want to blow up the Whitehouse or someone holding up a cutoff President's head or saying when was a last time a President has been shot and draw graphic pictures.  Or what Nancy Pelosi said (a few posts ago I pointed out along with others!):

I just don’t know why there aren’t more uprisings all over the country and maybe there will be.

That doesn't incite violence?  It is still on the internet - never banned.   I guess not!!!!!

If the President calls for a march in Washington, that  is grounds for inciting violence.   There are lots of court signed document where the person or persons allegate issues in the election go unreported and not investigated by media.  It used to be the MSM were called upon to be the people's voice and investigate and call politicians on their lies and falsehood.  That is no longer case as they are one sided and biased.

It makes me wonder what they will report on when their hero is elected and there is nothing to report on anymore!

Here is a signed court document - read it!  Did anyone listen to it or report it the public - too dangerous to examine election integrity!  Oh well the country will be finished soon at this rate.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf

[John Iacoletti]

I still quote the federal constitution as the mainstay of how elections should be handled, senate, representative or president.   There is a procedure to be followed to amend the "manner" in which elections are to be held.  Would manner include allowing/disallowing mail-in votes, changing deadlines for receiving and the like? 

It's up to each state to decide.  The federal government constitutionally has zero role.

Why does extending voter deadlines make any election results "unfair", "questionable", or "unverifiable"?

[John Iacoletti]

Please don't distort.  Was it not censored by Big Tech and not allowed for millions of potential voters to see on their sites?

That's not censorship any more than it is when Duncan edits out posts that violate his rules.

Republicans:  No government interference with private business -- let the free market decide

Also Republicans:  How dare this private business kick me off?

[Martin Weidmann]

It would nice if Basement Joe would just come out and deny it.   You certainly have made your point about inciting violence.  It is okay for Madonna to want to blow up the Whitehouse or someone holding up a cutoff President's head or saying when was a last time a President has been shot and draw graphic pictures.  Or what Nancy Pelosi said (a few posts ago I pointed out along with others!):That doesn't incite violence?  It is still on the internet - never banned.   I guess not!!!!!

If the President calls for a march in Washington, that  is grounds for inciting violence.   There are lots of court signed document where the person or persons allegate issues in the election go unreported and not investigated by media.  It used to be the MSM were called upon to be the people's voice and investigate and call politicians on their lies and falsehood.  That is no longer case as they are one sided and biased.

It makes me wonder what they will report on when their hero is elected and there is nothing to report on anymore!

Here is a signed court document - read it!  Did anyone listen to it or report it the public - too dangerous to examine election integrity!  Oh well the country will be finished soon at this rate.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf

You are aware that a lot of what is in that court document has been debunked over and over again, right?

Foxnews and Newsmax didn't know how quickly to put as much distance between themselves and the false claims about Dominion once they were facing legal action.

Btw, what you want is not Freedom of Speech. You want extreme right wing nuts to be able to say whatever they like. There is a difference.

[John Iacoletti]

It would nice if Basement Joe would just come out and deny it.

It would be nice if you would come out and deny that you are torturing children in your basement.

   You certainly have made your point about inciting violence.  It is okay for Madonna to want to blow up the Whitehouse or someone holding up a cutoff President's head or saying when was a last time a President has been shot and draw graphic pictures.

Madonna and Kathy Griffin weren't the president the last time I checked.  Nor did they organize mobs of people to try to overthrow the government.

If the President calls for a march in Washington, that  is grounds for inciting violence.   There are lots of court signed document where the person or persons allegate issues in the election go unreported and not investigated by media.

Should the media also report and investigate my allegation about your basement antics?  By the way, the legitimate media tried to investigate Rudy's magic hard drive and he wouldn't allow them to examine it.

[Allan Fritzke]

It would be nice if you would come out and deny that you are torturing children in your basement.

Madonna and Kathy Griffin weren't the president the last time I checked.  Nor did they organize mobs of people to try to overthrow the government.

Should the media also report and investigate my allegation about your basement antics?  By the way, the legitimate media tried to investigate Rudy's magic hard drive and he wouldn't allow them to examine it.

Okay.  I don't torture children in my basement!  I will deny that.  I won't tell you instead that it is Russian disinformation and leave you hanging. I have nothing to hide, nothing to lose and nothing to gain - pure honesty!   Neither should Joe Biden!  That wasn't so hard was it?   

Last time I checked Donald Trump was a human being too!  Just because your the POTUS, it doesn't mean you aren't human.  A pretty bold statement that he is responsible for the entire country's action.   I guess I am responsible for Epstein's death in a jail cell in New York too!

I haven't seen the post where they were trying to look at the hard drive. They just don't report on it at all.  Can you post please your inference?  I am sure there are lots of copies in public domain.  If the Chinese posted a video of Hunter being masturbated by someone's feet, smoking his crack pipe and taking selfies,  I am sure it is all out there in the open for media to find if they wanted to!   Guiliani doesn't have the only copy.  Maybe the MSM should get the copy from the FBI, they still have the laptop I am guessing!

[Allan Fritzke]

You are aware that a lot of what is in that court document has been debunked over and over again, right?

Foxnews and Newsmax didn't know how quickly to put as much distance between themselves and the false claims about Dominion once they were facing legal action.

Btw, what you want is not Freedom of Speech. You want extreme right wing nuts to be able to say whatever they like. There is a difference.

No I am not aware that the court document was debunked.  Please show me so I can see that.  If it was, I need to see and investigate which judge made that ruling.  Did you see this on Teevee?

[Allan Fritzke]

Does this report have any truth in it or is it just more disinformation?

https://www.scribd.com/document/490740010/The-Navarro-Report-Volume-III-Final-1-13-21-0001?secret_password=q0SO5YxeFOWVpOR1JiGX#from_embed

...In light of this evidence, it is impossible for anyone to claim that President Trump was in any way wrong in stoutly raising the question of election fraud and irregularities in the weeks following the  November 3 election and in calling for his supporters to PEACEFULLY protest. Indeed, for the  president not to rise to defend the integrity of the ballot box would have been a betrayal of the 74 million Americans who voted for the president thinking they were participating in what may well not have been a free and fair election.

In light of this evidence, it is also irresponsible – in the extreme – for the Democrat Party and its leadership, or journalists in the mainstream media, or RINO Republicans to claim there is no evidence of election irregularities. That’s absurd on its face. As this report shows, there is an abundance of evidence – a virtual cornucopia of potentially poisonous election irregularities.

In light of this evidence, this must also be said: Those American citizens who are now questioning the potential illegality of votes cast in the 2020 election should NOT be subjected by cable news networks, social media platforms, or the print media to the kind of abhorrent behaviors that we are now observing – social and political behaviors that are far more worthy of Communist China authoritarianism than American democracy.

From public shaming to de-platforming, doxing, and public calls to punish and shun all those who have supported the president or worked in his administration, these types of behaviors are not the American way. Rather, this is Orwell, Kafka, and Xi Jinping all rolled up into the death of the First Amendment and the death knell of our democracy.
 

It seems to have a lot of references and a lot of compilation.  I wonder if it has been banned already as misinformation and a danger to democracy.