Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Martin Weidmann]

No I am not aware that the court document was debunked.  Please show me so I can see that.  If it was, I need to see and investigate which judge made that ruling.  Did you see this on Teevee?

No judge ruled about it, other than dismiss the case in which it was presented. You may have missed it, but courts all over the country have been throwing out cases, for lack of standing and/or lack of evidence.

Anybody can make a statement to a court. Experts for both sides do it every day. It doesn't mean it's automatically true. In this case this was "trial by public opinion". What Trump's lawyers were saying in public was completely different from what they said in the courts. I can't find any record of this court document actually having been introduced in one of the 60+ cases that were filed and dismissed. Just like the fake representation of the video, the document only served a purpose outside the courtroom, to persuade people like you.

The facts, in this case, are that Fox News and Newsmax instantly ceased repeating the claims about the voting machines and the company's non-existent connection to Hugo Chavez, when they were facing a law suit by Dominion. That, by itself, should tell you enough. Why, do you think, did they run from it, if they thought that the claims made in the documents are true. And why did Giuliani say in court that this was not a fraud case, when, as the court document suggests it was?

[Martin Weidmann]

Does this report have any truth in it or is it just more disinformation?

https://www.scribd.com/document/490740010/The-Navarro-Report-Volume-III-Final-1-13-21-0001?secret_password=q0SO5YxeFOWVpOR1JiGX#from_embed

It seems to have a lot of references and a lot of compilation.  I wonder if it has been banned already as misinformation and a danger to democracy.

I can't comment on the report because (1) I have not read it and (2) I don't have any expertise in that field. What I do know is that, whatever is in the report has not been able to persuade anybody, because if it had we would have known about it by now.

[Rick Plant]

You don't much sense in your rhetorical posts.   You would make a really good LHO.   So it is okay to allow ANTIFA or BLM or Ayatollah Khamenei to post uncensored hate speech unhindered including a call to incite violence.   At the same time you censor the call for election integrity as a violent threat and harmful disinformation when you want to make sure your vote counts.  Sure does look unbiased and without agenda!  The NYPost makes a credible newspaper article about Hunter Biden's laptop pre-election and they are censored for it - no  freedom of press.  In that case it was called "harmful disinformation"!  Basement Joe has never denied any of it and refuses to make even a comment on it because it could be used against him.  It is not denied as false but rather part of a Russian disinformation campaign - plausible deniability - never forced to make a statement!   The most honest POTUS you would ever want! 

https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/twitter-execs-refused-request-to-remove-ayatollah-khamenei-tweets/

Here we go with the usual whataboutisms that right wingers love to pull out of their hat instead of taking full responsibility for their own.

Deflect, blame others, shift the narrative is their specialty.

Benedict Donal.d planned a coup to steal the election from Joe Biden and the American people. He also incited a deadly insurrection and made calls for violence. That's why he was banned from every social media platform. His thug cult followers are calling to execute elected officials and overthrow the US Government. That's why they are banned. That is sedition and treason which is illegal.               

The fake Biden story was made up Russian propaganda and even Faux News didn't run with it. The free press has the sole obligation to report accurate and credible information to the public. They don't report bogus conspiracies with zero facts because you want them to. That is not censorship, that's called being credible. 

Again, You must love BigTech Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, Google, Amazon and Apple as they are controlling the social space and what the peasants are allowed to see and their unbiased and unabashed censoring!   This power should be taken out of the hands of the plutocrats.   The censorship that took place prior to and after elections proves that the country is on the wrong path and 1st amendment has been replaced by MSM propaganda.  This is what Communism did for their countries - take the blinders off Rick.  The country is in trouble big time.   The Chinese are laughing and happily push America on the path to destruction where there are no morals, values and ethics and soon will collapse and be replaced by a new form of world government.  RIP

You still continue to show your ignorance.

Every single social media platform has a terms of service with rules you have to follow or otherwise you will get banned. This forum has rules as well. When you break them, you will get banned. That is not censorship because you do not have the freedom of speech to incite violence and to advocate overthrowing the US Government. That is sedition which is illegal.

Keep crying.       

[Rick Plant]

I still quote the federal constitution as the mainstay of how elections should be handled, senate, representative or president.   There is a procedure to be followed to amend the "manner" in which elections are to be held.  Would manner include allowing/disallowing mail-in votes, changing deadlines for receiving and the like? 

In the case of Georgia (or any other state for that matteR), it does not say it is to be decided by Raffensperger and Abrams behind close doors in a mutually agreeable fashion and then have it ruled on by a judge or state or federal court system - even if it was your sister or associate.  The constitution said there are 2 ways to change the "manner" of elections not 3.  The new precedent throws that one out the window or stretches the meaning of "the legislature"!

1) You need to bring it before the legislature and have procedures and manners decided.
2) You can go federally and  do it with congress
3) There are no other options, See rule 1 & 2!

Yes, it very "questionable" when you evoke special privilege due to COVID and use that to extend voter ballot deadlines, allow mail-in ballots and whatever other "manner" you decide you want to make.  That sets a precedent and with no SCOTUS ruling,  anyone can change rules as long as the judges in power okay it and 2 parties agree.

What is the generally accepted definition of legislature?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_state_legislatures

That is a constitutional interpretation which the SCOTUS refused to clarify.   Does the manner of election decided for Senators and Representatives by the Legislature also apply to the Presidential election, often on the same ballot?  Common sense would dictate that it does!  Yes every state can change its rules, but there is a procedure follow.

Again, people had their ballots mailed to them and they voted. Nothing illegal about that.   

Benedict Donal.d and his stooge Louis DeJoy purposely dismantled the Post Office so votes could not be counted in time because of the slow mail. That's why states extended the voting deadline. Judges extend in person voting hours due to increased numbers of voters. So, their is nothing illegal about that or extending the time for mail in ballots.   

Right wingers cry all the time about "states rights" and now they are against the decisions the states make.

Total hypocrites and frauds.             

[Martin Weidmann]

Okay.  I don't torture children in my basement!  I will deny that.  I won't tell you instead that it is Russian disinformation and leave you hanging. I have nothing to hide, nothing to lose and nothing to gain - pure honesty!   Neither should Joe Biden!  That wasn't so hard was it?   

Last time I checked Donald Trump was a human being too!  Just because your the POTUS, it doesn't mean you aren't human.  A pretty bold statement that he is responsible for the entire country's action.   I guess I am responsible for Epstein's death in a jail cell in New York too!

I haven't seen the post where they were trying to look at the hard drive. They just don't report on it at all.  Can you post please your inference?  I am sure there are lots of copies in public domain.  If the Chinese posted a video of Hunter being masturbated by someone's feet, smoking his crack pipe and taking selfies,  I am sure it is all out there in the open for media to find if they wanted to!   Guiliani doesn't have the only copy.  Maybe the MSM should get the copy from the FBI, they still have the laptop I am guessing!

Last time I checked Donald Trump was a human being too!

Yes, he is, but so were Hitler and Stalin. I have no pity for the man. In four years time he brought the country to the brink of civil war for his own selfish purposes.

Guiliani doesn't have the only copy.  Maybe the MSM should get the copy from the FBI, they still have the laptop I am guessing!

How naive can you be? The FBI isn't going to share anything with the MSM during an ongoing investigation. To think they would is just plain silly. Guiliani, on the other hand, went public with all sorts of claims that he failed to back up by giving anybody access to the material. Even the NYPost did not get the hard drives. They only got what Guiliani gave them. I watched several of his "common sense" videos on YouTube and every time he was saying he had this, that and the other, but when it came right down to it he showed nothing.

Now, if you are the President's lawyer and you have ironclad proof of wrong doing, why would you refuse that others examine it?

Allan, it's pretty obvious you have a pro Trump opinion, and there isn't much point in trying to change your mind. But maybe, you should look back in history to check when we ever had a situation before where a minority (75 million out of 330 million is a minority and 75 million votes against 81 million votes is a minority) stormed the Capitol because they did not like the outcome of an election? Please, think about it for a moment, because this is a dangerous path to go down....

[Rick Plant]

'Mentally disturbed' Trump will only become more dangerous as he struggles to tolerate reality: psychiatrist
https://www.rawstory.com/severely-mentally-disturbed-psychiatrist-warns-trump/

[Rick Plant]

The real looters are inside the White House stealing artifacts. They are stealing Abe Lincoln.   



Jim Acosta fears Trump aides are looting the White House: ‘Not souvenirs you can take home’
https://www.rawstory.com/white-house-2649943106/

[Rick Plant]

Far right wing extremist groups have law enforcement and military as members and are currently recruiting more. This is something to be concerned about.   

Pentagon warns far-right extremists are recruiting inside the US military
https://www.rawstory.com/extremists-inside-the-military/

QAnon shaman accidentally unravels GOP impeachment defense: ‘He came at the request of the president’
https://www.rawstory.com/jacob-angeli/