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« Reply #4104 on: July 15, 2021, 03:17:09 PM »
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'Beyond Putin's wildest dreams': Kremlin's backing of Trump had goal to 'alter mass consciousness in certain groups'

A leaked document obtained by the Guardian indicates that the Kremlin ordered its spying agencies to back Donald Trump during the 2016 presidential election.

During a closed January 22, 2016 national security session in Russia, according to the document, Russian President Vladimir Putin authorized a spying agency to back the "mentally unstable" Trump for president of the United States.

The document reads, "It is acutely necessary to use all possible force to facilitate his election to the post of U.S. president."

According to Guardian reporters Luke Harding, Julian Borger and Dan Sabbagh, "The key meeting took place on 22 January 2016, the papers suggest, with the Russian president, his spy chiefs and senior ministers all present. They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscow's strategic objectives, among them 'social turmoil' in the U.S. and a weakening of the American president's negotiating position. Russia's three spy agencies were ordered to find practical ways to support Trump, in a decree appearing to bear Putin's signature."

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Leaked Kremlin documents suggest Putin holds blackmail leverage over Trump -- and that's why Russia backed him

A leaked document appears to confirm rumors that the Kremlin holds blackmail leverage over former president Donald Trump.

Russian president Vladimir Putin personally authorized a secret spy agency to back "mentally unstable" Trump for U.S. president during a Jan. 22, 2016, closed session of that country's national security council, according to what appears to be leaked Kremlin documents obtained by The Guardian.

"It is acutely necessary to use all possible force to facilitate his [Trump's] election to the post of U.S. president," the paper says.

The documents include a brief psychological assessment of Trump as "impulsive, mentally unstable and unbalanced individual who suffers from an inferiority complex," and also refer to "certain events" that happened during his previous trips to Moscow.

More details about those events are listed in an appendix to that document, but that portion of the papers remains undisclosed.

Those present agreed that Trump in the White House would help Russia create "social turmoil" in the U.S. and weaken the American presidency, two of Moscow's top strategic objectives.

A decree appearing to bear Putin's signature authorized Russia's three spy agencies to work toward getting Trump elected, as the former reality TV star and celebrity businessman was emerging as the Republican Party's presidential frontrunner.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4105 on: July 16, 2021, 12:23:19 AM »
Just more of the dangerous lies being pushed by the repulsive anti vaxx Faux hack Laura Ingraham on her propaganda show. Her anti vaccine lies are killing Americans. This disinformation network needs to have their broadcasting license revoked until they stop pushing outright lies that are killing Americans. And why would this Missouri woman believe that COVID is "exaggerated" even though her own daughter is in the hospital? Because she swallows all the COVID lies she hears on hack shows like Laura Ingraham and from other right wing hacks who are continuously pumping COVID-19 disinformation daily. People believe these lies and they aren't taking COVID seriously. Then they end up spreading the virus to others, end up getting sick themselves, and then eventually die. This is the GOP Pro Death Party at work. Everything right wingers accuse others of is projection. The right wing media IS the Fake News.               


Just plain false: Fox News guest says ‘no reason’ to get vaccinated as host claims hospitalizations ‘way down’





Fox News moving even further toward being fully anti-vaxx.

Tuesday night on the conservative channel's "Ingraham Angle" host Laura Ingraham booked Dr. Peter McCullough, who falsely told America, "There's no reason right now, no clinical reason to go get vaccinated."

That's just plain false, according to the CDC and credible medical professionals.

“Virtually all Covid-19 hospitalizations and deaths in United States are now occurring among unvaccinated individuals," White House coronavirus response coordinator Jeff Zients said last week. Almost no fully vaccinated patients have been admitted to hospitals.

Ingraham herself wrongly claimed – or creatively framed – her response.

"Deaths and hospitalizations in almost everywhere is down. Way down."

That too is just plain false – hospitalizations are up.

Just look at these headlines over the past 24 hours:

Spike in hospitalizations due to Delta variant underscores need for COVID-19 vaccination, experts say

Young, unvaccinated people are being hospitalized with Covid-19 as delta variant spreads, officials warn

Covid-19 cases are surging in 46 states. In one hot spot, hospitalized patients are younger than ever, doctor says


Notice she left out the rise in coronavirus cases. The daily average of coronavirus cases has more than doubled over the past two weeks, and hospitalizations are also on the rise.

Dr. McCullough on Wednesday wrongly claimed "the Delta variant really is not responsive at all, or protected by the vaccines."

That is a curious construction. Vaccines protect people, not viruses. And vaccine manufacturers have said the current slate of US vaccines do protect against the Delta variant.

McCullough is a cardiologist and an affiliate professor at Texas A&M College of Medicine.

He also claims "42% of 90,000 Delta cases in the UK have been vaccinated."

NCRM could find nothing that accurately substantiates that claim.

The vaccine is well over 90% effective in preventing infection, but for those who are infected after being fully inoculated, symptoms are almost always mild and do not require hospitalization. The number of fully vaccinated Americans who have died from coronavirus is infinitesimally small.

The Associated Press late last month reported "only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average."

Dr. McCullough acknowledges to Fox News viewers there will be a "mild rise" in coronavirus Delta variant cases for vaccinated people, says those cases are "easily treatable in high risk patients," but then says, falsely: "There's no reason right now, no clinical reason to go get vaccinated."

NCRM has reached out to Dr. McCullough but did not immediately receive a response.

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https://www.rawstory.com/just-plain-false-fox-news-guest-says-no-reason-to-get-vaccinated-as-host-claims-hospitalizations-way-down/



Missouri woman still thinks COVID is 'exaggerated' -- even as it lands her daughter in the hospital




The Delta variant of COVID-19 is ravaging Springfield, Missouri, but many residents are still doubting the science of the pandemic and refusing to get vaccinated, according to a new report in The Washington Post.

"Springfield, a city of 170,000 nestled in the Ozarks, has become a cautionary tale for how the more transmissible delta variant, now estimated to account for half of all new cases nationwide, can ravage poorly vaccinated communities and return them to the darkest days of the pandemic," the newspaper reported.

The report came one week after Springfield Fire Department Chief David Pennington warned the outbreak was a "mass casualty event, happening in slow-motion."

The Post interviewed several people in the city to try to get a sense of why they were still not getting vaccinated or taking precautions despite the surging case totals in their area.

"Several shoppers, who declined to give their names, described the reports about the delta variant outbreak as 'overblown,' 'exaggerated' and a 'crock of sh*t,' reported the Post. "One woman said that her daughter was hospitalized in an intensive care unit with covid-19 but that she thinks the numbers are exaggerated."

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/15/springfield-missouri-delta-outbreak/

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« Reply #4106 on: July 16, 2021, 12:33:08 AM »
Nicole Wallace claims Mike Pence feared 'a conspiracy' where rogue Secret Service would kidnap him to help Trump

Two shocking reports were revealed Thursday as part of Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker's new book, I Alone Can Fix It, and MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace.

Wallace, a former communications official in George W. Bush's White House evidently, called her own GOP sources.

"What the book allows us to do is stop using the words 'struggled with,' 'tried and failed,'" she said of Republicans. "They failed to protect the country from Donald Trump. They failed. They failed to protect Mike Pence from Donald Trump. I want to read more about Mike Pence's experience on January 6th."

During her afternoon show "Deadline White House," Wallace read an excerpt of the Leonnig and Rucker book describing Vice President Mike Pence being rushed to safety with his family during the siege on the U.S. Capitol.

"At 2:26, after a team of agents scouted a safe path to ensure the Pences would not encounter trouble, Giebels and the rest of Pence's detail guided them down a staircase to a secure subterranean area that rioters couldn't reach, where the vice president's armored limousine awaited. Giebels asked Pence to get in one of the vehicles," the book described.

"We can hold here," Giebels told Pence.

"I'm not getting in the car, Tim," Pence told him. "I trust you, Tim, but you're not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I'm not getting in the car."

They found a secure underground area where they waited instead, the book explained.

At the White House, ret. Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg, Pence's national security adviser, ran into Tony Ornato who oversaw the Secret Service movements. Ornato told Kellogg that they were going to take Pence to Joint Base Andrews.

"You can't do that, Tony," Kellogg said. "Leave him where he's at. He's got a job to do. I know you guys too well. You'll fly him to Alaska if you have a chance. Don't do it."

Wallace then painted an even more dire picture.

"Pence feared a conspiracy, feared that the Secret Service would aid Trump and his ultimate aims that day," said Wallace. "This is the most harrowing version of Mike Pence's day I've seen reported."

The U.S. Secret Service doesn't comment on their procedures, including what the procedure would have been in this case.

Read the full excerpt at the Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/15/jan-6-i-alone-can-fix-it-book-excerpt/

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Gen. Milley's other 'nightmare scenario' revealed: Trump pushed Iran strike in desperate bid to retain power

Gen. Mark Milley's fears that former president Donald Trump would launch a Nazi-style "coup" to retain his grip on power have been widely reported in recent days.

But Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had also prepared for another "nightmare scenario" that could serve as Trump's so-called "Reichstag moment."

Trump desperately wanted to launch airstrikes against Iran, and in fact came "very close" to starting a war with the Middle East's second-largest country, according to a report from the New Yorker's Susan B. Glasser, who conducted more than 200 interviews for a book about the Trump presidency that will be published next year.

"This dangerous post-election period, Milley said, was all because of Trump's 'Hitler'-like embrace of the 'Big Lie' that the election had been stolen from him; Milley feared it was Trump's 'Reichstag moment,' in which, like Adolf Hitler in 1933, he would manufacture a crisis in order to swoop in and rescue the nation from it," Glasser reports.

"A running concern for Milley was the prospect of Trump pushing the nation into a military conflict with Iran. He saw this as a real threat, in part because of a meeting with the President in the early months of 2020, at which one of Trump's advisers raised the prospect of taking military action to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons if Trump were to lose the election," she writes. "At another meeting, at which Trump was not present, some of the President's foreign-policy advisers again pushed military action against Iran. Milley later said that, when he asked why they were so intent on attacking Iran, Vice-President Mike Pence replied, 'Because they are evil.'"

In the wake of the November election, Trump repeatedly raised the subject of Iran in White House meetings, as the president "kept pushing for a missile strike in response to various provocations against U.S. interests in the region," Glasser reports.

But Milley pushed back: "If you do this, you're gonna have a f*cking war," he reportedly told the president.

On Jan. 3, after Trump flew back from his Christmas vacation at Mar-a-Lago, he convened yet another meeting about Iran to ask his advisers "about recent reports from the International Atomic Energy Agency on Iran's nuclear activities."

But Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and national-security adviser, Robert O'Brien reportedly convinced Trump that it was "too late to hit them," because his presidency would soon end.

"After Milley walked through the potential costs and consequences, Trump agreed. And that was that: after months of anxiety and uncertainty, the Iran fight was over."

At this same meeting — which marks the last time Trump and Milley spoke — Trump reportedly asked his advisers if they were prepared for the upcoming "wild" rally by his supporters on Jan. 6.

"It's gonna be a big deal," Milley heard Trump say. "You're ready for that, right?"

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-iran-strike/



Former Trump official: GOP has become America's biggest 'national security threat'

In an interview with MSNBC's Jason Johnson, a former Department of Homeland Security official who served under former president Donald Trump claims that he believes the Republican Party has become a threat to the security of the country and warned what could happen if they reclaim the House and the Senate in the 2022 midterms.

According to Miles Taylor -- a Republican who served as chief of staff at the DHS until 2019 before leaving in disgust -- should the GOP take over the House, current House minority leader Kevin McCarthy will likely be Donald Trump's puppet if he is handed the gavel by his party.

"The number one national security threat I've ever seen in my life to this country's democracy is the party that I'm in, the Republican Party," Taylor warned. "If my party retakes the House of Representatives in the next cycle, it's going to become a haunted house. And the ghoul and the specter haunting that house is going to be Donald Trump."

Taylor also took a shot at McCarthy, reminding the senior Republican that the GOP lost the White House, the Senate and the House during Trump's four years.

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« Reply #4108 on: July 17, 2021, 02:14:29 PM »
'We were just there to overthrow the government': Report shines light on Trump's 'most hardcore rallygoers'

Although former President Donald Trump was decisively voted out of office in 2020 and has been gone from the White House for almost six months, he continues to be the most influential figure in the Republican Party. Countless GOP politicians are afraid to publicly say a word against him, and his MAGA rallies still attract unquestioning, cult-like followers. Wall Street Journal reporter Michael C. Bender examines the type of MAGA devotees who faithfully attend those rallies in an excerpt from his book, "Frankly, We Did Win This Election: The Inside Story of How Trump Lost."

The Washington Post published an excerpt from the book this week, and in the excerpt, Bender discusses a "group of Trump's most hardcore rallygoers" known as the Front Row Joes.

Bender says of the Front Row Joes he has interviewed, "They were mostly older White men and women who lived paycheck to paycheck with plenty of time on their hands — retired or close to it, estranged from their families or otherwise without children — and Trump had, in a surprising way, made their lives richer. The president himself almost always spent the night in his own bed and kept few close friends. But his rallies gave the Joes a reason to travel the country, staying at one another's homes, sharing hotel rooms and carpooling."

One of the Front Row Joes that Bender interviewed was Saundra Kiczenski, a 56-year-old Michigan resident who traveled to Ohio for a MAGA rally in June. Discussing the January 6 insurrection — which she obviously views falsely as a peaceful protest — Kiczenski told Bender, "It's ridiculous those people are in prison for no reason. And it's a shame because if Donald Trump were still the president, they'd all be free."

Yet despite saying there was no reason the rioters should be in prison, she was open about the real motivation behind the event.

"We weren't there to steal things. We weren't there to do damage," she said. "We were just there to overthrow the government."

The COVID-19 pandemic, according to Bender, did not discourage Front Row Joes from traveling around the U.S. for MAGA rallies in 2020. The Joes, Bender observes, fully embrace "alternative facts" — whether it's the claim that COVID-19 isn't dangerous or the bogus claim that now-President Joe Biden stole the election.

"While most Americans only occasionally left their homes, the pandemic proved a blessing for Kiczenski's Trump travel plans," Bender explains. "She bought cheap airfare, repeatedly basked in the extravagance of an airplane aisle all to herself and logged more flights in 2020 than at any other point in her life. She attended 25 Trump rallies, boosting her total to 56. She spent 79 nights of the year away from her bed. Kiczenski traveled so often during the pandemic that a Delta flight attendant thanked her for being a Silver Medallion member and upgraded her to first class; she initially assumed it was a mistake."

Not surprisingly, Kiczenski buys into the Big Lie — continuing to believe the false, debunked claim that Trump was a victim of widespread voter fraud in 2020.

Kiczenski told Bender, "If someone put a gun to my head and said: 'Did Donald Trump win, yes or no? And if you're wrong, we're going to shoot your head off!' I would say yes. I'm that confident that this stuff is not made up."

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-rally-2653810637/


'Most terrified I've ever been': Reporter describes learning 'extremely alarming' details of Trump's final days

Reporter Susan Glasser on Friday told CNN's Jake Tapper that she felt personally unnerved while reporting out details of former President Donald Trump's final days.

While discussing her most recent article in the New Yorker about Trump's fights with General Mark Milley in the waning weeks of his administration, Glasser explained to Tapper that it was unprecedented for American military leaders to view the sitting commander-in-chief as a potential national security threat.

"You know, when I first learned about the level of alarm that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs had through the election and all the way into January, I have to say it was probably the most terrified I've ever been as a reporter in several decades," said Glasser, who has also reported from American wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

She said she was relieved to see that Milley and other top military commanders had done their best to hold Trump in check, but still found it frightening just how far the twice-impeached former president was willing to go.

"It was extremely alarming," she said. "On the one hand I suppose it's reassuring to understand that we have a class of generals at the very top rank who really do worship, I believe, the Constitution... but this is unprecedented stuff."

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Dr. Scott Gottlieb says U.S. is ‘vastly underestimating’ level of Covid delta spread

Dr. Scott Gottlieb told CNBC on Friday he believes the U.S. is significantly undercounting the number of Covid delta infections, making it difficult to know whether the highly transmissible strain is causing higher-than-expected hospitalization and death rates.

“We don’t know what the denominator is right now,” Gottlieb said in an interview on “Squawk Box.” “I think we’re vastly underestimating the level of delta spread right now because I think people who are vaccinated, who might develop some mild symptoms or might develop a breakthrough case, by and large are not going out and getting tested. If you’ve been vaccinated and you develop a mild cold right now, you don’t think you have Covid.”

Coronavirus cases in the U.S. have been rising due to the delta variant, with the seven-day average of new daily infections standing at 26,448, according to a CNBC analysis of Johns Hopkins University data. That’s up 67% from a week ago. The weekly average of new daily deaths is up 26% from a week ago, to 273, according to CNBC’s analysis.

“There’s no clear evidence that this is more pathogenic, that it’s causing more serious infections. It’s clearly more virulent, it’s clearly far more contagious” than earlier virus strains, said Gottlieb, who serves on the board of Covid vaccine maker Pfizer.

If younger Americans are becoming sick with the delta variant at higher levels compared with previous points in the pandemic, it’s because “younger people remain unvaccinated,” Gottlieb contended. “When people who are vaccinated do get infected, and there are breakthrough infections, they don’t get as sick. They have protection against severe disease.”

Delta is now the most-common coronavirus strain in the U.S., making up more than 57% of cases in the two weeks from June 20 to July 3. That’s the latest available window on the CDC’s website.

U.S. health officials have sounded the alarm for weeks about the variant’s potential to cut into hard-earned progress in reducing infection rates, which plummeted in the spring as America’s vaccination campaign hit its stride. As of Friday, 48.3% of the country’s population was fully vaccinated and nearly 56% had received at least one dose, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Covid vaccination coverage is higher among the most-vulnerable group of Americans: the elderly. More than 79% of people age 65 and up are fully vaccinated and nearly 89% have had at least one dose, according to the CDC.

The vast majority of U.S. counties with high infection rates right now — defined as at least 100 new cases over the last seven days per 100,000 residents — have vaccinated under 40% of their residents, according to a CNBC analysis completed earlier this week.

In Los Angeles County, officials on Thursday responded to an uptick in cases by reinstating an indoor mask mandate, even for fully vaccinated people. LA County, the nation’s most populous, had lifted its previous mask requirement about a month ago, in conjunction with the state of California ending most of its remaining pandemic restrictions.

Gottlieb said he does not expect many other state or local governments to follow LA County and begin putting in place already-lifted mitigation measures “because there’s not going to be a lot of support for mandates at this point.”

“People who are worried about Covid have largely been vaccinated. I realize not everyone has been able to get vaccinated, but most people have been vaccinated who are worried about this infection,” said Gottlieb, who led the FDA from 2017 to 2019 in the Trump administration.

“People who remain unvaccinated aren’t worried about the infection and don’t want to be wearing masks either. Now, the bottom line, that means this is just going to spread through the population,” he added.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/16/dr-scott-gottlieb-says-us-is-vastly-underestimating-level-of-covid-delta-spread.html


NIH director ‘most worried’ about Missouri’s COVID-19 spread compared to any state

Missouri is the spot on the map raising alarms for federal officials as the COVID-19 delta variant surges in the Midwest and South.

“When I look at the map Missouri actually jumps out as the place that I’m most worried about because there’s a lot of cases now happening very rapidly,” Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health, told McClatchy in an interview Thursday.

“This is a variant, this delta variant, that’s highly contagious. And so as it starts to spread, anybody who’s not vaccinated is in a danger zone… The chances of getting infected in Missouri are getting really high and that means potentially serious illness or even death,” said Collins, whose agency is the federal government’s primary medical research arm.

The Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services (DHSS) is now reporting an average of nearly 1,200 confirmed new cases each day, compared to fewer than 400 a month ago. The state is behind only Arkansas in its per-capita rate of new cases, according to data compiled by The New York Times.

At the same time, Missouri continues to struggle with low vaccination rates in many areas. It has the 13th worst vaccination rate among all states.

Rural Missouri, in particular, has lagged in vaccination rates, a trend that has also been persistent in other states. In Pulaski County, for example, only 14.3 % of people have received their first dose of the vaccine, according to state health data. CDC data shows that nearly 40% of residents have received at least one dose, however, likely because of vaccinations conducted at a military base in the county.

“I grew up on a farm and I appreciate people in rural counties tend to be pretty independent-minded and that’s good. And maybe therefore do have less access to medical care and less likely to depend on it, maybe a little more suspicious about messages coming from governments or from the big city,” said Collins, who was raised on a farm in rural Virginia.

“But boy this is the case where this virus doesn’t really care whether you’re in a rural community or city community. And people in rural communities in Missouri and elsewhere are now getting sick and large numbers.”

Southwest Missouri is the epicenter of the latest wave, and rising hospitalizations are pushing medical providers in Springfield to the breaking point. Local officials on Wednesday asked DHSS and the State Emergency Management Agency (SEMA) to fund an alternative care site as COVID patients begin to overwhelm the city’s two major hospitals, CoxHealth and Mercy.

The facilities are treating more virus patients than they did during Missouri’s previous pandemic peak this past winter. As of Thursday morning, CoxHealth had 139 COVID-positive patients and Mercy had 129. Mercy Springfield Chief Administrative Officer Erik Frederick tweeted that 16 virus patients at the hospital have died so far this week.

“We went from virtually zero patients to about 100-plus in about seven months in the first couple waves, and in this wave we went from, at least at Cox, about 14 patients seven weeks ago to about 130 today,” CoxHealth CEO Steve Edwards said at a Wednesday news conference. “So the ramp up time has been accelerated, almost triple.”

Late Wednesday, DHSS spokeswoman Lisa Cox said in an email that DHSS is working with SEMA and local officials “to determine how we will best meet the current health care needs of the community.”

COMBATING MYTHS

Collins pointed to myths about the vaccines that have circulated on social media as a driving factor in deterring people
from getting vaccinated.

“Some people were worried the vaccine might cause infertility. There’s been a lot of stuff on the internet about that,” Collins said. “There’s absolutely no evidence for that in men or in women. We now have tens of thousands of pregnant women who have been immunized and we have no indication that that’s causing any problem with the pregnancy.”

During Thursday’s White House briefing, Surgeon General Vivek Murthy said that online misinformation was costing lives and called for social media companies to enforce stronger content moderation standards to curb the spread of inaccurate claims about vaccines and the virus.

In an interview later in the day, Murthy pointed to Missouri as a state where President Joe Biden’s administration was steering resources to increase vaccinations and slow transmission rates.

“Arkansas, Missouri, Nevada and other states in the Midwest and the mountain region of our country are now struggling with a rising number of cases, rising number of hospitalizations,” Murthy told McClatchy.

"This is what delta will do. It will continue to spread. It’s the most transmissible version of COVID-19 that we have seen to date,” Murthy said. “But what we do know, and the good news is that, the vaccines work against the delta variant. So that’s why it’s so important that we get people vaccinated, especially in parts of our country where vaccination rates are still low.”

Collins said some people have avoided vaccinations because they already had COVID, but he said these people still need to get vaccinated, especially to protect against variants.

“The vaccine gives you even a better shot at avoiding getting reinfected with this delta variant. Simply having COVID before is not nearly as reliable as having COVID plus the vaccine,” Collins said.

Collins emphasized the spread in southern Missouri poses a threat to Kansas City and St. Louis as well.

“What we’ve seen in every other surge — and we’ve had way too many of them — is that the things that are nearby geographically are at highest risk and people move around and they bring the virus with them, so nobody in that general vicinity should feel as if this is just a problem for some people in the rural community,” Collins said.

"This is a problem for the whole area. This is a problem for the whole nation,” Collins said. “Basically, somebody once said, we had a division in the country between vaccinated and unvaccinated. Or maybe we have a division between people who are vaccinated and people who are sick, because that’s the direction we’re going.”

Missouri Republican Sen. Roy Blunt lamented Missouri’s low vaccination rate during a news conference Wednesday.

“We’re in a fight now, here and throughout the world frankly, where it’s sort of vaccine versus variant. The way you don’t have all these new strains is you don’t give the virus anywhere to live and become more resilient,” said Blunt, who comes from Springfield where the virus is surging.

Blunt’s strong exhortations to get vaccinated are in stark contrast to fellow Republican Missouri Gov. Mike Parson, who has offered a mixed message in recent weeks and panned the Biden administration’s vaccination outreach efforts.

White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Wednesday that she couldn’t make an assessment about why rural Missouri had fallen far behind the rest of the region in vaccination rates. But she called for elected officials to avoid polarizing the issue.

“We need to be clear and direct about our messaging. There is misinformation out there. Sometimes that’s traveling on platforms. Sometimes that’s traveling, unfortunately, out of the mouth of elected officials,” Psaki said Wednesday.

“So, it’s really case by case, but the most important thing we can do is not see this as a partisan issue because, certainly, the virus is killing people, whether they’re Democrats or Republicans.”

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article252806518.html

Missouri Covid-19 Hospitalizations Reach Levels Not Seen Since Winter
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/missouri-covid-19-hospitalizations-reach-levels-not-seen-since-winter/article_5b13ac28-fdd7-519f-baa5-f311f21f9434.html

New Florida COVID-19 cases nearly double over last week; positivity rate jumps
https://www.fox13news.com/news/new-florida-covid-19-cases-nearly-double-over-last-week-positivity-rate-jumps

After teen daughter hospitalized with Covid, mom regrets saying no to vaccine
"It's heartbreaking. I wish I would've made better choices for her," said an Arkansas mother of her 13-year-old daughter, hospitalized with Covid-19

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/after-teen-daughter-hospitalized-covid-mom-regrets-saying-no-vaccine-n1274227

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4110 on: July 17, 2021, 03:31:39 PM »
These experts have been all over the board about the virus from the beginning which brings to mind the saying about the most feared words in the English language.

"I am from the US government and I am here to help you"

There are endless stories of people in everyone's community having huge problems with the vaccination. There seems to be a huge allergic reaction to it with the least being sick for a few days.

 A female of child bearing age would be a fool to get the shot. Maybe you have forgotten the "Morning Sickness Pill" of the 60's that affected the ability of the next generation to have children and the problems with the children after the birth. There is no way these companies have any idea of the real net effect of the shot. The shot should just be a personal choice knowing the risks. If someone feels safe, based from having been vaccinated, then there should not be any concern about having contact with someone who is not vaccinated. By the time the vaccine was available wasn't half the country already exposed to the virus?

Why is it there seems to be no credit given for someone who has had the Covid. That in itself seems very strange in this great push to give everyone a shot.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4111 on: July 17, 2021, 06:18:30 PM »
Why is it there seems to be no credit given for someone who has had the Covid. That in itself seems very strange in this great push to give everyone a shot.

Some states choose to stop reporting COVID-19 "recoveries" because there was no uniform definition. But there are enough data sources to estimate the national recovery numbers.

The growing problem seems to be with "Long COVID" sufferers ( Link ), those "recovered" but who have symptoms like fatigue, loss of smell, etc.

    "In January 2021, a study in the UK reported that 30% of recovered
     patients were readmitted to hospital within 140 days, and 12% of
     the total died. Many patients had developed diabetes for the first
     time, as well as problems with heart, liver and kidney problems."

The new variants are stronger and affect the young more so than the original COVID-19.

"New Long-Haul COVID Clinics Treat Mysterious and Ongoing Symptoms", Scientific American, Jun30-2021 ( Link )

One seems to avoid the risk of "long-haul" COVID-19 symptoms by simply getting the vaccine:

    "While long COVID is observed after COVID-19 infection, it has not
     been reported after COVID-19 vaccination, with over 100,000 partici-
     pants included in vaccine trials as of December 2020." (Wikipedia)

But even those with full vaccination and the "fully-recovered" (if there is such a thing) can contact or harbor the disease and unwittingly spread it to the unvaccinated. That's why--if your area is experiencing a "hot spot" or increase in infections--it's a good idea to mask in public and unmask in a small "bubble". Patriotic even!
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4111 on: July 17, 2021, 06:18:30 PM »