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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4792 on: March 06, 2022, 03:59:14 PM »
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Totally false.

Donnie is weak Putin stooge. Putin was carrying on his war against Ukraine right under Donnie's nose for 4 years.

Now, how do you answer that? 

John Bolton: "Putin was fueling a war in eastern Ukraine throughout Trump's presidency."

John Bolton debunked this nonsense you posted. Putin didn't need to invade Ukraine then because Donnie was doing everything possible to soften up Ukraine for a future invasion. Putin was carrying on a war with Ukraine right under Donnie's nose for 4 years. So your claim is easily debunked.     

Donnie's former national security advisor, John Bolton said Donnie complained about all the sanctions his administration put on Russia, and he did nothing to deter Putin from invading Ukraine. He also said Putin was waiting for Donnie's second term to invade Ukraine because Donnie was going to pull out of NATO to appease his puppet master Putin. An anti American traitor.   

And even Mike Pence called out Donnie for praising Putin.

Criminal Donald praises Putin because he is a Russian asset who gave Putin whatever he wanted including our air force bases in Syria. So finally, Donnie puts out a phony condemnation after the entire world was bashing him for 3 days on Twitter but he refused to even mention Putin by name. Then he went right back to praising Putin again. It's the same scam he used when he pretended to condemn white nationalists in Charlottesville but then called them "very fine people" the next day. Sean Hannity changed his tune after he saw public outrage over the support of Putin but Faux Propaganda still allows Putin apologists on the air pushing Pro Kremlin talking points.


Former National Security Advisor John Bolton says 'Putin was waiting' for Trump to withdraw the United States from NATO in his second term

Former National Security Advisor John Bolton said on Friday that Russian President Vladimir Putin was waiting for former President Donald Trump to withdraw the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization if he had won a second term.

Bolton made the remarks during a virtual event with the Washington Post on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, where Bolton mostly offered critiques of current President Joe Biden's foreign policy in the region. At the end of the event, he was asked by the Post's Michael Duffy about how close Trump came to withdrawing the country from NATO, a translantic security alliance that includes the United States, Canada, and most of Europe.

"I thought he put his foot over it, but at least he didn't withdraw then," said Bolton, who wrote in his memoir about Trump's consideration of withdrawing from NATO in 2018. "In a second Trump term, I think he may well have withdrawn from NATO. And I think Putin was waiting for that."

Trump viewed NATO as a liability during his presidency, believing that European countries were not paying enough of their fair share of the burden of providing defense to the alliance. Bolton, a State Department official during the George W. Bush administration, was brought on to be Trump's national security advisor in 2018 only to be ousted a year and a half later.

Bolton's latest comments come just days after he told Newsmax that Trump "barely knew where Ukraine was," pushing back on a host who said the former president had been "tough on Russia."

Asked whether he was satisfied by how the Trump administration handled Ukraine, Bolton criticized his former boss.

"I think it went very badly," said Bolton. "It was hard to have discussions on geostrategic issues when the president's main interest was getting...  Rudy Giuliani in to see [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelensky so they could go find Hillary Clinton's computer server.

He added that Ukraine's position in the "maelstrom of American presidential politics" in the last few years made it difficult for Zelensky to establish a proper relationship with the United States, which Bolton said was Ukraine's "potentially most important supporter."

Trump was impeached for the first time over his withholding of $400 million in military aid to Ukraine in order to pressure Zelensky to launch an investigation into Biden and his son Hunter over allegations of corruption.

Bolton said on Friday that former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and former Defense Secretary Mark Esper were concerned by Trump's behavior at the time. "All of us felt that we needed to bolster Ukraine's security, and were appalled at what Trump was doing," he said.

https://www.businessinsider.com/bolton-putin-waiting-for-trump-to-withdraw-from-nato-in-2nd-term-2022-3


Mike Pence: No room in GOP for 'apologists for Putin'

Former Vice President Mike Pence on Friday will rebuke those in the Republican Party who have praised Russian President Vladimir Putin in recent weeks, including most prominently former President Trump.

"There is no room in this party for apologists for Putin. There is only room for champions of freedom," Pence will tell a gathering of Republican National Committee (RNC) donors, according to excerpts shared with The Hill.

The comments from Pence are a tacit criticism of Trump and others who have complimented Putin's intelligence and strategy as he directed Russia to invade Ukraine without provocation.

Trump last week said on a radio show that Putin's decision to unilaterally declare portions of eastern Ukraine as independent republics was "pretty savvy" and "genius." Putin's recognition of those territories preceded a full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo earlier this year also referred to Putin as a "talented statesman" with "lots of gifts."

And Tucker Carlson, an influential Fox News host, questioned why Americans should hate Putin and described Ukraine as a country essentially managed by the U.S. government.

Those comments have drawn blowback from many in the Republican Party, especially as Russia has escalated its attacks on Ukraine and indiscriminately fired missiles at civilian centers and a nuclear facility, raising the risk of catastrophic casualties.

Trump shifted his tone earlier this week, calling Russia's invasion of Ukraine "a holocaust."
   
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/596926-pence-no-room-in-gop-for-apologists-for-putin


Russians Take Over 3rd U.S. Base in Northern Syria
December 26, 2019

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-take-over-3rd-us-base-in-northern-syria


And here is anti American traitor Faux "News" Russian stooge Douglas MacGregor pushing pro Kremlin propaganda on Faux today.

Liz Cheney @Liz_Cheney
Douglas MacGregor, nominated by Trump as ambassador to Germany; appointed by Trump as sr advisor to the Secretary of Defense, says Russian forces have been “too gentle” and “I don’t see anything heroic” about Zelensky.

This is the Putin wing of the GOP.


Watch:

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1500225329595617286


You are really citing John Bolton who has wanted a World War with Russia for decades?  LOL.  Trump played Putin like a violin.  Using his ego against him.  There is no debate about the results.  They speak for themselves.  Under weak Biden who has funded Putin with his disastrous energy policy, an all-out invasion.  Under Trump's administration, some compliments for Putin but no invasion.  Which do you think the people of Ukraine prefer? 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4793 on: March 06, 2022, 11:41:46 PM »

You are really citing John Bolton who has wanted a World War with Russia for decades?  LOL.  Trump played Putin like a violin.  Using his ego against him.  There is no debate about the results.  They speak for themselves.  Under weak Biden who has funded Putin with his disastrous energy policy, an all-out invasion.  Under Trump's administration, some compliments for Putin but no invasion. Which do you think the people of Ukraine prefer?

And here's even more propaganda above. :D

John Bolton is a national security expert and you are not. 

Just admit you are wrong. If you payed attention to real news you would have known there already was a war going in in Eastern Ukraine for the entire disastrous Trump occupation.

Trump often compliments Putin.  It was part of his tactic to appeal to his ego. A tactic that avoided war during his administration.

You are wrong. War was already going on in Ukraine under Donnie's disatrous occupation. He didn't "avoid" any war.


Russia’s conflict with Ukraine: An explainer

Nov 26, 2018

MOSCOW — Russian border guards opened fire on three Ukrainian vessels in the Kerch Strait near the Russia-occupied Crimean peninsula, raising the prospect of a full-scale military confrontation. The incident comes on the back of a four-and-a-half year long proxy conflict in eastern Ukraine.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/11/26/russias-conflict-with-ukraine-an-explainer/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4794 on: March 07, 2022, 12:03:19 AM »
Donnie is not mentally well. But we all know that.

Trump scorched for 'drunk uncle' proposal to start a massive war between Russia and China
https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-war/

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« Reply #4795 on: March 07, 2022, 12:36:48 AM »


You are wrong. War was already going on in Ukraine under Donnie's disatrous occupation. He didn't "avoid" any war.


Russia’s conflict with Ukraine: An explainer

Nov 26, 2018

MOSCOW — Russian border guards opened fire on three Ukrainian vessels in the Kerch Strait near the Russia-occupied Crimean peninsula, raising the prospect of a full-scale military confrontation. The incident comes on the back of a four-and-a-half year long proxy conflict in eastern Ukraine.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/11/26/russias-conflict-with-ukraine-an-explainer/

You are living in some type of alternative reality defined by your political bias.  You are equating some type of minor skirmish with a full-scale invasion?  Unreal.  Smacks of desperation as things fall apart.  The facts speak for themselves.  Biden is failing again.  Even the Dems can't figure out why he won't cut off the oil money to Putin.  His advisors are petrified of the gas prices and willing sell out Ukrainians to Russia.  He will eventually do it.  Leading from behind as usual but too little, too late.  Just like his alleged "plan" to "shutdown" the virus.  His "plan" apparently was for 600K Americans to die on his watch and everyone else to get it.   Way to Brandon!

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« Reply #4796 on: March 07, 2022, 04:39:02 AM »
You are living in some type of alternative reality defined by your political bias.  You are equating some type of minor skirmish with a full-scale invasion?  Unreal.  Smacks of desperation as things fall apart.  The facts speak for themselves.  Biden is failing again.  Even the Dems can't figure out why he won't cut off the oil money to Putin.  His advisors are petrified of the gas prices and willing sell out Ukrainians to Russia.  He will eventually do it.  Leading from behind as usual but too little, too late.  Just like his alleged "plan" to "shutdown" the virus.  His "plan" apparently was for 600K Americans to die on his watch and everyone else to get it.   Way to Brandon!

It wasn't a "Minor skirmish". It was an ongoing war that was going on under Donnie's nose for 4 years and he helped weaken Ukraine which allowed this full scale invasion.

You were wrong and you go right back to posting more propaganda.       

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« Reply #4797 on: March 07, 2022, 05:04:19 AM »
Criminal Donald left President Biden a mess with everything including our economy, covid-19, inflation, immigration, crime, civil unrest, Afghanistan, Ukraine, NATO. No other incoming President had these many disasters to tackle all at once. Criminal Donald is a loser who takes credit for everything including Obama's and Biden's economy which Donnie destroyed and now President Biden has brought it back bigger and stronger than ever before.         

Trump left Biden a NATO mess. Now he wants to take credit for the alliance's strength.

The swift reaction to the Ukraine-Russia conflict has shown the importance of all the countries being able to work together, especially after Trump tried to destroy relationships with our allies.

As the deadly Russian invasion of Ukraine continues to escalate, it's important to remember how we got here. Russia's interference in the 2016 election played a part in giving us Donald Trump's presidency, which ultimately weakened the U.S.’s position on a global scale. Considering Trump's actions in office, his recent claim that "there would be no NATO if I didn't act strongly and swiftly" is ridiculous, to say the least.

NATO is arguably the strongest it has ever been, and its strength and unity have been on full display in the wake of the deadly invasion of Ukraine, but it's Joe Biden — not Trump — who should get credit for the strength of the alliance. The president has spent the last year trying to heal rifts in our relationships with other countries in the alliance and clean up the dangerous mess wrought by Trump.

And while it's unclear what NATO's next steps will be as it tries to avoid a direct war with Russia, its purpose is clear as it stands with Ukraine in solidarity against Vladimir Putin's threats and deadly attacks on innocent civilians.

Biden mentioned the importance and resiliency of the alliance in his State of the Union address. Everyone who watched needs to understand how central the alliance's role is to counter Russia and the ripple effects this will have on people in the U.S. — like the increase in gas and food prices during an already high inflation period. His messaging was a far cry from that of the former president, who discussed pulling out of NATO with his national security officials because he didn't see the point of it. (Trump administration officials have described how they had to try to persuade him not to withdraw countless times.)

While the 2016 election seems ages ago, people in the U.S. shouldn’t forget Russia's influence and interference in that election and their consequences on the future of our diplomacy. The election of Trump played into Putin's overall strategy. He knew that a Trump presidency would be crucial to moving his own despotic agenda forward if Trump was successful in weakening NATO — the alliance that has for so long deterred Russian aggression.

And how would Putin know that? Well, on the 2016 campaign trail, Trump expressed interest in withdrawing from NATO, previewing what his administration would be like if he was elected.

With Trump's election came few consequences for Russia's interference, and instead, Trump sought to cultivate a cozy relationship with Putin and other Kremlin officials.

From when Trump entered office in 2017 to 2019, he had at least 16 private conversations with Putin. While these meetings alone are controversial, it's how he tried to shield the public from knowing what was discussed that's even more concerning. According to a 2019 Washington Post report, Trump went as far as to seize notes from his own interpreter after a 2017 meeting with Putin.

One thing is certain: It appeared that the U.S. was propping up Russia, and that in and of itself was a threat to U.S. interests overseas, because Trump was seen as cozying up to a dangerous dictator.

Trump prioritized forming and strengthening a U.S. relationship with Putin while abusing our foreign allies, which ultimately caused serious rifts in the decadeslong relationships with NATO that needed significant repair when he left office. And even out of office, he continues to indulge the Russian leader. Days before Trump tried to take credit for NATO's strength, he called Putin's invasion of Ukraine "genius" and "savvy."

In Trump's statement patting himself on the back about NATO, he also said "it was me that got Ukraine the very effective antitank busters (Javelins) when the previous administration was sending blankets. Let History so note!"

Well, let history also note that Trump's first impeachment was because he pressured Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to investigate then-presidential candidate Biden and his son Hunter in 2019. As leverage, Trump placed a hold on significant congressional financial aid to Ukraine, which Congress had already approved. Undoubtedly, as the news of Trump's attempt to strong-arm Zelenskyy became public, it only continued to play directly into Russia's hands.

While many people in the U.S. are horrified by the images of bombs, destroyed buildings and fleeing and trapped Ukrainian refugees on their screens, it's hard not to feel as though we are in full crisis mode, especially as many families in the U.S. are feeling the direct impacts of inflation on their finances here at home. But, as the midterm elections approach, they shouldn't be swayed by Trump's tough-guy campaign rhetoric. The truth is that he set the stage for the mess that Biden inherited both domestically and internationally. I wonder why he isn't taking credit for that?

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-crisis-showed-how-biden-cleaned-trump-s-nato-mess-ncna1290518

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4798 on: March 07, 2022, 11:48:28 AM »
Criminal Donald doesn't call himself the "King of Debt" for nothing. This is the same failed businessman who bankrupted 6 casinos and blew $400 million dollars gifted to him by his father and parlayed it into billions of dollars of debt. Look how he bankrupted the United States and destroyed our economy. $7.8 trillion dollars of debt in just 4 years. Absolutely disgraceful. It's the good thing we have President Joe Biden who is cutting Donnie's debt and completely turned around his economic disaster by creating the greatest economy on record!         


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« Reply #4799 on: March 07, 2022, 12:42:59 PM »
Donald Trump is the accelerant
A comprehensive timeline of Trump encouraging hate groups and political violence (Part I)




On the very day that Congress counted the electoral votes that certified President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, Trump opened up the US Capitol to an insurrection.

He told a crowd rallying south of the White House to “walk down to the Capitol,” adding, “You will never take back our country with weakness.”

At Trump’s behest, throngs of his supporters descended on Washington, DC, to dispute the results of the presidential election, climbing the steps of the Capitol and busting through its doors and windows. Throughout the day, Trump continued to falsely claim that the election was stolen without any evidence to support this unreality, further riling up his followers to “take the country back.” By mid-afternoon, the Capitol building was breached and one member of the mob had been shot and fatally wounded. Five people died.

In a last-minute video message, Trump told the crowd to go home — then told them he loved them and believes they’re “very special.”

Trump’s messaging on January 6 is precisely in line with how he’s historically addressed violence on the part of hate groups and his supporters: He emboldens it.

As far back as 2015, Trump has been connected to documented acts of violence, with perpetrators claiming that he was even their inspiration. In fact, dozens of people enacted violence in Trump’s name in the years before the Capitol attack, according to a 2020 report from ABC News.

In 2016, a white man told officers “Donald Trump will fix them” while being arrested for threatening his Black neighbors with a knife. That same year, a Florida man threatened to burn down a house next to his because a Muslim family purchased it, claiming that Trump’s Muslim ban made it a reason for “concern.” Then there are the more widely known examples, like Cesar Sayoc, who mailed 16 inoperative pipe bombs to Democratic leaders and referred to Trump as a “surrogate father”; and the mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, in 2019 that left 23 dead, where the shooter’s manifesto parroted Trump’s rhetoric about immigrants.

In some cases, Trump denounces the violence, but he often walks back such statements, returning to a message of hate and harm. In August, he defended a teenage supporter who shot three people at a Black Lives Matter protest. And at the first presidential debate of the 2020 election, the president shocked many viewers when he was given an opportunity to condemn white supremacists, but declined.

In October, he equivocated on condemnation of the domestic terrorists who allegedly planned to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, after Trump had stoked outrage over the state’s pandemic safety measures. He criticized Whitmer when the kidnapping plot was revealed and fished for compliments.

Trump has continually refused to recognize what’s at the core of this violence: hate nurtured under a tense national climate that he has helped cultivate.

Trump’s campaign rallies have always been incubation grounds for violence, sites where Trump spewed hate speech that encouraged physical harm against dissenters. And as president, he has used his platform to encourage violence against American citizens, whether through the police and National Guard or militia groups — unless those citizens are his supporters.

Here is a timeline of Trump’s hateful rhetoric since 2015, and some of the moments when his supporters took heed.

2015: Trump announces his presidential bid and quickly suggests violence is the answer to opposition

Trump officially announced his candidacy for president of the United States in June 2015 and wasted little time inciting fear and hate in his first speech. That year, critics argued that his language led to attacks on bystanders, and in some cases, acts of violence were directly linked to Trump’s words.

June 16, 2015: When Trump announced his bid for president at Trump Tower in New York City, he made disparaging comments about Mexicans. His repeated insults have been said to incite violence and hate toward immigrants in the years that followed.

Trump’s message from the start: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”


Even though his statement was almost entirely false, in the months following, Trump would defend the criminal threat of immigrants. “What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.,” he said on July 6, 2015.

August 11, 2015: Trump indirectly took aim at Black Lives Matter protesters, calling Sen. Bernie Sanders “weak” after Sanders allowed protesters to seize the microphone at a campaign rally. “I thought that was disgusting. That showed such weakness — the way he was taken away by two young women. … They just took the whole place over.”

Trump added, “That will never happen with me. I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself or if other people will. But that was a disgrace. … I felt badly for him, but it showed that he’s weak.”

August 19, 2015: Two Boston brothers invoked Trump when they were arrested for uri**ting on a homeless man and beating him with a metal pipe. While in custody, one of the brothers told the police, “Trump was right. All of these illegals need to be deported.” The 58-year-old Mexican American they assaulted was a permanent US resident.

In response to the news that the Boston assault was inspired by his rhetoric, Trump did not denounce the violence, instead calling his supporters “passionate.” “I think that would be a shame. I will say, the people that are following me are very passionate. They love this country. They want this country to be great again. But they are very passionate. I will say that,” he told reporters the next day.

October 23, 2015: After repeatedly being interrupted by protesters at a campaign rally in Miami, Trump warned he’ll “be a little more violent” next time when addressing protesters. “See, the first group, I was nice. ‘Oh, take your time.’ The second group, I was pretty nice. The third group, I’ll be a little more violent. And the fourth group, I’ll say get the hell out of here!” he said. On video, the pro-immigration protesters could be seen being forcibly dragged out of the campaign event.

November 21, 2015: At a rally in Birmingham, Alabama, Trump demanded the removal of Black activist Mercutio Southall Jr. after he yelled, “Black lives matter!” Onstage, Trump exclaimed, “Get him the hell out of here! Get him out of here! Throw him out!” In a video captured by CNN, Southall fell to the ground as Trump made his statements and white men appeared to kick and punch him.

As security guards removed Southall from the rally, the crowd chanted, “All lives matter,” according to the Washington Post. Trump told Fox News the next day, “Maybe he should have been roughed up, because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing. I have a lot of fans, and they were not happy about it. And this was a very obnoxious guy who was a troublemaker who was looking to make trouble.”

December 2015: The Trump campaign devised a strategy to address protesters who demonstrated at rallies. Instead of harming the protester, the campaign suggested they chant, “Trump! Trump! Trump!” until a security guard removed the protester. The campaign began playing an announcement of the plan at rallies in mid-December, which started with the line, “If a protester starts demonstrating in the area around you, please do not touch or harm the protester. This is a peaceful rally.” According to the Washington Post, attendees laughed when the announcement was played at a rally.

2016: At campaign rallies, Trump models the violence that he encourages by making a spectacle out of ejecting protesters

At his large campaign rallies, Trump would often yell “Get ’em out!” at protesters who demonstrated, whether they stood there silently, held up a sign, or chanted. Though Trump often alleged that the protesters were violent, reporters in 2016 found no evidence to suggest that protesters had attacked Trump supporters at one of his rallies.

In 2016, Trump sharpened his rhetoric against Muslims, suggesting that the country must scrutinize mosques and newly arrived Muslim migrants. 2016 also gave rise to the chant that advocated for violence against then-Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton: “Lock her up!”

January 8, 2016: Rose Hamid, a 56-year-old Muslim woman wearing a hijab, was escorted out of a Trump rally after standing up in silent protest over Trump’s speech, in which he said Syrian refugees fleeing war were affiliated with ISIS. Hamid attended the rally to show Trump supporters what Muslims are like (Trump had already called for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States” in December 2015), and told CNN’s Don Lemon that the people sitting around her were “very nice” and “sharing their popcorn.”

But once the crowd “got this hateful crowd mentality,” as she was being escorted out, “it was a vivid example of what happens when you start using this hateful rhetoric and how it can incite a crowd where moments ago were very kind to me.” Hamid said one man yelled to her, “Get out! Do you have a bomb? Do you have a bomb?”

January 23, 2016: At a campaign rally in Iowa, Trump, in describing the loyalty of his supporters, notoriously said, “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”


February 1, 2016: At a campaign rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Trump told the crowd that his security team informed him there may be somebody throwing tomatoes. “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Just knock the hell out of them. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. There won’t be so much of them because the courts agree with us,” he said.

February 23, 2016: At a campaign rally in Las Vegas, Trump said of a protester, “I’d like to punch him in the face.” As security guards escorted the protester out of the rally, Trump mocked him, saying, “He’s smiling. Having a good time.” He then reminisced about being able to get away with violence: “There’s a guy, totally disruptive, throwing punches. We’re not allowed to punch back anymore. I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They’d be carried out on a stretcher, folks.” Trump also called the protester “nasty as hell.” CNN reported that the man did not appear to fight with the security guards taking him outside.


At the same rally, Trump would reiterate his support for waterboarding, a banned interrogation method. “They said to me, ‘What do you think of waterboarding?’ I said I think it’s great, but we don’t go far enough. It’s true. We don’t go far enough. We don’t go far enough.” At a February 6 Republican debate in New Hampshire, Trump said he would “bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding” if he were elected president.

February 27, 2016:: Trump advocated for police state violence, lamenting how officers are afraid to do their jobs because America is “becoming a frightened country.” “You see, in the good old days, law enforcement acted a lot quicker than this. A lot quicker. In the good old days, they’d rip him out of that seat so fast — but today, everybody’s politically correct,” Trump said. “Our country’s going to hell with being politically correct. Going to hell.”

March 1, 2016: At a campaign rally in Louisville, Kentucky, Trump repeatedly yelled, “Get out of here! Get ’em out of here! Get him the hell out!” to a group of protesters, galvanizing the crowd to chant, “U-S-A! U-S-A!” and physically shove the group of Black protesters. Trump continued: “Don’t hurt him! If I say, ‘Go get him,’ I get in trouble with the press, the most dishonest human beings in the world. If I say, ‘Don’t hurt him,’ the press will say, ‘Well, Trump isn’t as tough as he used to be!’ ... So you can’t win.”


March 9, 2016: A 78-year-old white male Trump supporter punched a Black male protester being escorted out of a Trump campaign rally in Fayetteville, North Carolina. The Trump supporter was recorded on video saying he enjoyed “knocking the hell out of that big mouth” and “Yes, he deserved it. The next time we see him, we might have to kill him.” He was arrested and charged with assault a day later, though he attacked the protester directly in front of law enforcement officials.

Instead, at the time, law enforcement officials tackled the protester to the ground after he had been punched in the face.

Two days after the assault, Trump said such attacks on protesters were “very, very appropriate” and the kind of action “we need a little bit more of.” Trump called the protesters “very violent,” though multiple news outlets at the time reported that there were no documented cases of protesters inciting violence against Trump supporters.

March 10, 2016: At a Miami Republican debate, Trump denied that his tone incited violence at his rallies and insinuated that the anger toward protesters was justified. “I will say this,” he told CNN’s Jake Tapper. “We have 25 [thousand], 30,000 people. You’ve seen it yourself. People come with tremendous passion and love for the country, and when they see protest — in some cases — you know, you’re mentioning one case, which I haven’t seen, I heard about it, which I don’t like. But when they see what’s going on in this country, they have anger that’s unbelievable. They have anger.”

He added: “We have some protesters who are bad dudes, they have done bad things. They are swinging, they are really dangerous … And if they’ve got to be taken out, to be honest, I mean, we have to run something.”

March 11, 2016: Trump abandoned a planned Chicago campaign rally after fights broke out between his supporters and protesters. Five people were arrested and two police officers were injured, according to the Chicago police. In a tweet, Trump blamed “thugs” for the chaos.

The organized group of people, many of them thugs, who shut down our First Amendment rights in Chicago, have totally energized America!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 12, 2016

March 31, 2016: Three people who say they were assaulted at a March 1, 2016, Trump campaign rally in Louisville, Kentucky, sued the then-candidate, alleging that he riled up his followers and encouraged violence when he repeatedly yelled, “Get ‘em out of here!” The group sued Trump for incitement to riot, and in April 2017, federal Judge David Hale ruled that their claim was valid since there was sufficient evidence proving their injuries were a “direct and proximate result” of Trump’s comments. “It is plausible that Trump’s direction to ‘get ‘em out of here’ advocated the use of force,” Hale wrote. “It was an order, an instruction, a command.”

Trump appealed the case, and in September 2018, a federal appeals court dismissed the protesters’ claims, saying that Trump’s words were protected under the First Amendment and did not “specifically advocate imminent lawless violence.” An attorney for the plaintiffs called the ruling “unprecedented” and “dangerous,” and a “free pass” for a candidate for public office.

July 2016: By July, the infamous “Lock her up!” chant in response to any mention of Hillary Clinton became a facet of Trump’s rallies and even the GOP convention. On July 19, at the Republican National Convention, the crowd chanted, “Lock her up! Lock her up! Lock her up!” as Chris Christie delivered a speech. At a rally in Colorado Springs on July 29, Trump, after resisting joining in on the chant at rallies, told the audience, “I’ve been saying let’s just beat her on November 8th. But you know what, I’m starting to agree with you.”

Trump’s comments came after Clinton criticized him in her Democratic National Convention address. “You know it’s interesting. Every time I mention her, everyone screams, ‘Lock her up, lock her up.’ They keep screaming. And you know what I do? I’ve been nice,” Trump said. “But after watching that performance last night — such lies — I don’t have to be so nice anymore. I’m taking the gloves off.”

But crowds and commentators didn’t stop at “Lock her up!” As the Atlantic reported, some called for Clinton to be “hung on the Mall in Washington, DC” or “put in a firing line and shot for treason.”

December 2016: After Trump bullied then-Fox News journalist Megyn Kelly for months, Kelly said that Trump’s social media director was responsible for inciting the many death threats she was receiving. “The vast majority of Donald Trump supporters are not at all this way,” Kelly said, according to the Guardian. “It’s that far corner of the internet that really enjoys nastiness and threats and unfortunately there is a man who works for Donald Trump whose job it is to stir these people up and that man needs to stop doing that. His name is Dan Scavino.”

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