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'I failed my fellow Americans': the white women defecting from Trump


Donald Trump’s 2016 election win may have been propelled by white working-class men, but another key group in that narrowest of victories was white women with college degrees.

After heavily favoring Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012, enough of these voters broke ranks to help Trump over the line, tipping the balance in crucial states in the midwest and elsewhere.

In 2020, however, after four years of tumult, there are signs that Trump has not managed to hang on to that constituency.

“I really failed my fellow American citizens,” said Claudia Luckenbach-Boman. “I’m extremely disappointed in myself, and sometimes I am really afraid to talk about it.

“If I were to vote again for Donald Trump in 2020, it would be just as much a failure as an American, but also a failure as a human being.”

Luckenbach-Boman was a 19-year-old college student in November 2016. From a Republican-voting family, she cast her ballot for Trump in Wisconsin, a swing state which he won by just 22,748 votes.

Voting for her first time, Luckenbach-Boman said she believed Trump, as a political outsider, was the change the US needed. She quickly changed her mind.

“It was just a few months into his presidency that I realized the biggest mistake I could have made as an American citizen was not informing myself,” Luckenbach-Boman said.


A T-shirt depicting the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, in a No symbol among ‘Women for Trump’ signs, at a campaign rally in Wildwood, New Jersey, on 28 January 2020. Photograph: Jeenah Moon/Reuters
“I started hearing that the economy was great. And I started looking more into that, and I realized that the economy is great for the 1%, and for the people who aren’t really working to make the country function on a day-to-day basis.

“I watched a lot of people in my life who still support Trump still flounder in finances.”

Despite her regret, Luckenbach-Boman said that vote had “changed her life”. She decided to focus on politics at college, and has worked on two campaigns to register voters this year.

She will vote for Biden in Michigan – another key swing state Trump narrowly won in 2016 – and harbors hopes of one day running for elected office.

Luckenbach-Boman is not alone. Polling shows Biden ahead of Trump by an average of 6.4% in Wisconsin, and 8.4% in Michigan. The swing isn’t just down to white women with college degrees, but their switch has hurt Trump’s chances.

In 2016, Trump still lost this group, but narrowly. Exit polls showed him just seven points behind Clinton among college-educated white women. In June this year, a New York Times poll found Trump trailing Biden by 39%.

It’s a switch that could help propel Biden to victory in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, the state where Biden grew up, where he leads Trump, and where he is winning former Trump voters.

“I just want to apologize to the world,” said Julie, a fraud manager from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, who asked that the Guardian not use her real name.

“I feel so guilty for having a part in voting this moron in.”

Trump clinched a narrow victory in Pennsylvania, beating Clinton by 44,292 votes. For Julie, it was a combination of concern over healthcare and distrust of Clinton that swung her towards Trump.

“I didn’t think Hillary was honest about wanting to help women,” Julie said.

“I just found her very unbelievable, and Trump kept hitting on the one thing that was important to me – decreasing healthcare costs. She did not.”

Julie, 51, has three children, two of whom have an autoimmune disease and another who has a chronic digestive disorder, while her husband was forced to stop working after becoming sick.

Her medical bills amount to $20,000 a year, and have put her deeply in debt. This year she finally managed to pay off her bills – from the year 2014.


Protesters hold up a sign near the White House following the Women’s March on Washington on 20 January 2018. Photograph: Andrew Caballero-Reynolds/AFP/Getty Images
“American healthcare just sucks, and he said he was going to change it, so I wouldn’t have such huge co-pays,” Julie said.

“By the second year he was in office, I realized my deductible didn’t go down at all. There was no change, whatsoever, my deductible was still astronomically high. And nothing was being done.”

While many Democratic voters are wary, given what happened in 2016, of predicting a Biden landslide, polls suggest that with less than 100 days to go till election day, even traditionally red states like Texas are not beyond the Democrat’s reach.

Monica Rey Haft, an insurance defense attorney who lives on the outskirts of Dallas, is among the ex-Trump voters hoping for a Biden win.

“I’m riddled with guilt,” she said. “I know it wasn’t my vote that single-handedly that put him there, but I think with a lot of Republicans it was a lack of checking into it, it was just falling down party lines, it was disgust and disdain for Hillary Clinton and her policies, and I regret that. I regret that I wasn’t more informed.”

Rey Haft has a son in the military, which also influenced her decision – Trump had repeatedly pledged to invest heavily in the armed forces.

She also thought Trump’s behavior before and during the election – he attacked a range of foes, particularly women, including Carly Fiorina and Ted Cruz’s wife Rey Haft – would calm down.

“I thought it’s gotta be a shtick, it can’t be real. I thought he would behave like a human being, that he was gonna change.”

But “it wasn’t even the inauguration” before Haft changed her mind, she said.

“Over a few days, it was probably several tweets, or something I heard him say, I thought: ‘Oh my God. This is who this person is.’ And I immediately just thought he wasn’t going to be fit.”

The Trump administration’s separation of families at the border confirmed Rey Haft’s fears, and in November the lifelong Republican voter, has had it with the entire party. She’s voting a “straight Democratic ticket”.

In Oklahoma, a solidly Republican state that few expect Biden to win, Nancy Shively, a special education teacher who lives in the outskirts of Tulsa, is similarly disenchanted.

She has been donating to Democratic candidates, and like Rey Haft plans to vote all blue.

“I am more angry with the people in power who have enabled Donald Trump than I am with Donald Trump,” Shively said.

“Donald Trump is clearly a flawed human being. He’s incapable of having any kind of empathy or thinking about anybody other than himself. That being said, he could not have wreaked as much damage as he has without other people enabling him to do that.

“Every single Republican senator that failed to fulfill their constitutional oath is complicit. And so in my opinion, all of them, with the possible exception of Mitt Romney, need to never hold public office again.”

Shively, 61, has two autoimmune diseases, and is particularly concerned at the Trump administration’s determination to reopen schools in the midst of the coronavirus outbreak. In Oklahoma, where cases are surging after the state hurried to reopen, the situation is particularly dangerous.

“As embarrassed as I am that I voted for Trump, if I have to go back in the classroom, the fact that I voted for him and he has been such a disaster in dealing with this virus, that vote could mean I’m not gonna live,” Shively said.

It has been Trump’s failings on coronavirus – as of Tuesday the US had recorded more than 4.2m cases of Covid-19, and nearly 147,000 people had died – that came as the final straw for Shively.

She and her husband are in the process of updating their wills ahead of her return to school, and she is struggling to come to terms with the impact of her vote.

“There’s a straight line between his election and 140,000 dead Americans, that didn’t need to die. It just makes me incredibly sad. And regretful.”

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1073 on: July 29, 2020, 05:28:36 PM »
Trump's Approval Rating Sinks to 17-Month Low as Election Looms Closer

BY JAMES WALKER ON 7/29/20 AT 7:48 AM EDT

President Donald Trump's average approval rating has sunk to a 17-month low with less than four months to go until the November elections, new polling data shows.

The approval rating tracker run by FiveThirtyEight found that the president had the backing of 40.2 percent of Americans on average, according to weighted calculations.

Trump's average job approval rating was last at that level on February 10, 2019—a little more than a month before the conclusion of the Special Counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 elections.

The commander-in-chief's present disapproval rating has also hovered at a high not seen since early 2019 over the past few weeks.

According to the FiveThirtyEight tracker, which weights its calculations on the quality of individual polls, Trump's average disapproval rating stood at 55.7 percent, giving him a net disapproval rating of 15.5 percentage points.

Several individual approval rating polls have been no more flattering to the president as voters have registered their disapproval of his handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1074 on: July 29, 2020, 05:59:25 PM »
I found this interesting. Six US citizens who voted for President Trump explain why they will do that again, or change to the other side. Note the Black on the Trump side who complains about the looting & rioting, and has an explanation for the "there were good people on both sides" remark by the President after the Charleston incident.

This Trump voter is sure he will win. Here's why


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1075 on: July 29, 2020, 06:08:36 PM »
  538 Boned the 2016 POTUS Election. This is why they then went to handicapping sporting events. But, here we go again with 538 being Pro "Fuzzy" Joe. You guys just keep clinging to Fake News & their SURVEYS and Trumpers will gleefully watch the rerun of your Meltdown on Nov 3. And they are asking Trump if HE will accept the results on Nov 3? As we saw in "16", they pounded Trump with this same question and then THEY were and continue to be the ones that would Not accept the outcome. Once again, whenever these HATERS accuse Trump of something, it is They that are actually guilty of the crime. The Trump/Russia charge vs The Steele Dossier being another case on point.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1076 on: July 29, 2020, 06:10:55 PM »
  538 Boned the 2016 POTUS Election. This is why they then went to handicapping sporting events. But, here we go again with 538 being Pro "Fuzzy" Joe. You guys just keep clinging to Fake News & their SURVEYS and Trumpers will gleefully watch the rerun of your Meltdown on Nov 3. And they are asking Trump if HE will accept the results on Nov 3? As we saw in "16", they pounded Trump with this same question and then THEY were and continue to be the ones that would Not accept the outcome. Once again, whenever these HATERS accuse Trump of something, it is They that are actually guilty of the crime. The Trump/Russia charge vs The Steele Dossier being another case on point.

And the incoherent babble just keeeeeps on coming.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1077 on: July 29, 2020, 06:19:34 PM »
'I failed my fellow Americans': the white women defecting from Trump


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Voting for her first time, Luckenbach-Boman said she believed Trump, as a political outsider, was the change the US needed. She quickly changed her mind.

“It was just a few months into his presidency that I realized the biggest mistake I could have made as an American citizen was not informing myself,” Luckenbach-Boman said.


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“I just want to apologize to the world,” said Julie, a fraud manager from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, who asked that the Guardian not use her real name.

“I feel so guilty for having a part in voting this moron in.”

Trump (Putin-Jill Stein) clinched a narrow victory in Pennsylvania, beating Clinton by 44,292 votes. For Julie, it was a combination of concern over healthcare and distrust of Clinton that swung her towards Trump.

“I didn’t think Hillary was honest about wanting to help women,” Julie said.

“I just found her very unbelievable, and Trump kept hitting on the one thing that was important to me – decreasing healthcare costs. She did not.”

Julie, 51, has three children, two of whom have an autoimmune disease and another who has a chronic digestive disorder, while her husband was forced to stop working after becoming sick....
....

Outside of the northeast where "know your destructer" drove the vote, this has little to do with making an informed choice.

Trump simply conned these "marks", preying upon white grievance and involuntary attraction to authoritarianism.

No thinking person not under involuntary attraction to, "Mexicans are rapists", and "grab them by the pussy, I don't even ask, when you're a star, they just let you do it", and "lock her up", can ever make a logical explanation for why they voted for Trump.
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a pig in a poke
phrase of pig
something that is bought or accepted without knowing its value or seeing it first.

A half dozen people I am close to, voted for Trump. All were aware I had been a NY metro native for nearly fifty years before relocating to where I am now. None thought to ask me,

"Hey Tom, you are much more familiar with this reptilian predator than we are. Do you think it is wise to vote for it, instead of voting for the most qualified presidential candidate in U.S. history and the first female to achieve the nomination of one of the two major political parties?"

How could anyone in their right mind actually believe Trump would be a better choice if their main concern was obtaining affordable healthcare, or move the country closer to economic equality? Voting for Trump was at least as illogical as union members voting for Reagan, or construction workers "rioting for Nixon" in 1970.





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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1078 on: July 29, 2020, 06:53:04 PM »
I found this interesting. Six US citizens who voted for President Trump explain why they will do that again, or change to the other side. Note the Black on the Trump side who complains about the looting & rioting, and has an explanation for the "there were good people on both sides" remark by the President after the Charleston incident.

This Trump voter is sure he will win. Here's why


Six US citizens who voted for President Trump explain why they will do that again, or change to the other side.

A somewhat misleading statement, when in fact out of the six the bottom three said they would not vote for Trump again.

Btw, the woman at the center top, is the one who refuses to wear a mask despite the fact that she lost a family member to covid-19. The reason she gave, in another part of the same interview, was that the family member who died had worn a mask and had infected herself by breathing in her own air. That tells you all you need to know about that particular nut job, who also came up with "We are the minority-majority".....

Huh?
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1079 on: July 29, 2020, 06:56:58 PM »
No surprise about this. I called this when it started. White Supremacists with black umbrellas have been infiltrating peaceful protests to cause violence all over America. The protests are peaceful and these guys start breaking windows, looting, starting fires. The right wingers and their bogus media call it "Antifa" blaming the left and Democrats. This is their own people doing it to pin on the Democrats. Like I said....political theatre and Donald Trump sends in his thugs to escalate the violence as they attack, beat, gas, spray Americans in the streets. When Donald Trump loses in a massive landslide all these criminals will be held accountable for what they did.


Minneapolis police say 'Umbrella Man' was a white supremacist trying to incite George Floyd rioting





A masked man who was seen in a viral video smashing the windows of a south Minneapolis auto parts store during the George Floyd protests, earning him the moniker "Umbrella Man," is suspected of ties with a white supremacist group and sought to incite racial tension, police said.

A Minneapolis police arson investigator said the act of vandalism at the AutoZone on E. Lake Street helped spark a chain reaction that led to days of looting and rioting. The store was among dozens of buildings across the city that burned to the ground in the days that followed.

"This was the first fire that set off a string of fires and looting throughout the precinct and the rest of the city," Sgt. Erika Christensen wrote in a search warrant affidavit filed in court this week. "Until the actions of the person your affiant has been calling 'Umbrella Man,' the protests had been relatively peaceful. The actions of this person created an atmosphere of hostility and tension. Your affiant believes that this individual's sole aim was to incite violence."

Police identified "Umbrella Man" thanks to a tip that came via e-mail last week, Christensen said.

The Star Tribune could not independently verify the police account, which has so far only surfaced in the search warrant, and isn't naming the man because so far he has not been charged with a crime. The man, who has a criminal history that includes convictions of domestic violence and assault, did not respond to messages seeking comment. Spokespersons for the Minneapolis Police Department and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which is also involved in the investigation, declined to comment.

Floyd's death under the knee of a since-fired police officer set off protests that spread around the world and stirred widespread reckoning over racial injustice. Derek Chauvin is charged with second-degree murder and manslaughter, and three of his former colleagues also at the scene, J. Alexander Kueng, Thomas Lane and Tou Thao, have been charged with aiding and abetting Chauvin.

At least two people died in the subsequent riots, which eventually spread as far as north Minneapolis and South St. Paul, and caused roughly $500 million in damage. Authorities have since charged a handful of people with arson-related crimes.

A widely shared livestream video from May 27 — two days after Floyd's death — showed the man walking casually along the front of the former site of AutoZone at E. Lake Street and Minnehaha, breaking out its windows with a 4-pound sledgehammer, prompting some protesters to confront him and demand that he stop. Before that, police say, the man, clad head to toe in black and carrying a black umbrella, had spray-painted "free [expletive] for everyone zone" on the double front doors. At the time, activists seized on the footage as proof that outside "provocateurs" were trying to derail what had been a mostly peaceful demonstration.

Christensen wrote in the affidavit that she watched "innumerable hours" of videos on social media platforms to try to identify "Umbrella Man," to no avail. Investigators finally caught a break when a tipster e-mailed the MPD identifying him as a member of the Hells Angels biker gang who "wanted to sow discord and racial unrest by breaking out the windows and writing what he did on the double red doors," she wrote.

A subsequent investigation revealed the man was also an associate of the Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood, a small white supremacist prison and street gang based primarily in Minnesota and Kentucky. Several of its members were also present at the Stillwater incident.

Andy Shoemaker, a former St. Paul police officer who has investigated criminal motorcycle gangs, said the Aryan Cowboys are relatively new with loyalties to the Hells Angels, who operate across the state.

"They're another group that's basically a farm system, a minor league for the Hells Angels," he said, adding the Angels occasionally recruit members from some of these offshoot clubs.

The weeks that followed Floyd's death brought dozens of reports of racially motivated assaults against minorities and minority-owned businesses.

Leaked intelligence briefings show that federal authorities were monitoring the movements and online activity of white nationalists and other extremist groups that descended on the city during the riots. The president of the Hells Angels summoned 75 members of the Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood to the help protect the club's headquarters in north Minneapolis, according to an intelligence memo, which surfaced in June as part of a massive trove of leaked law enforcement documents dubbed "Blue Leaks." A club member later posted a warning to protesters on Facebook saying that while the Angels agreed with the anti-law enforcement message, any protests that reached the clubhouse or "any of our neighborhoods" would be "met with a very unfriendly welcome party."

Another leaked memo suggested that local biker gangs were taking advantage of the unrest to step up their drug trafficking in the metro area, and that bikers "associated with white racially motivated violent extremists" had discussed inciting riots while posing as members of the anti-fascist group Antifa. It wasn't immediately clear from the leaked materials whether any of these threats materialized.

After the protests began, footage of "Umbrella Man" roared around social media, prompting speculation about the man's identity. One persistent rumor argued "Umbrella Man" was an undercover St. Paul police officer seeking to incite violence, a claim apparently based on a tweet citing information from a woman who claimed to have once been married to the officer.

In response, St. Paul police released time-stamped surveillance videos showing that the officer was in St. Paul at the time of the incident, and Police Chief Todd Axtell released a statement scolding social media users for spreading misinformation that could "jeopardize the officer's reputation and safety and chip away at the trust this police department has worked so hard to build with its community."

Justin Terrell, executive director of the Council for Minnesotans of African Heritage, said conversations around Floyd's death and the ensuing riots are important, but they often fail to account for the persistence of structural racism.

"I think at the end of the day, we need to start dealing with those issues, because I think this 'Umbrella Man,' he is a rotten piece of fruit at the farthest branch of the tree, [but] we've gotta get to the roots," Terrell said. "I think we have to do the work to get there, which America has never done, and Minnesota sure hasn't."
Thx Mr Plant.
I'm sure Barr is on the case. :)

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1079 on: July 29, 2020, 06:56:58 PM »