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Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1472 on: August 19, 2020, 04:11:55 PM »
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The World’s Dumbest Authoritarian

Most dictators rig elections to win. With his Postal Service gambit, Trump merely wants everybody to lose with him.

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What would the United States media say if the president of another country was threatening to hobble his nation’s postal service in hopes of suppressing ballots ahead of an election?

Every once in a while, an American journalist gets this notion: to imagine how the national press would cover a particular domestic story, whether it be white nationalist violence or protests against racist policing, as if it were happening in another country. It’s a venerable and sometimes illuminating frame—a way for Americans, given to believing in their own exceptionalism, to see themselves and their country’s troubles from a different vantage.

But in the postal case, and increasingly in the age of Trump, the “if it happened there” test proves of little use. It is 2020, after all, and there is no global shortage of demagogues and authoritarians making a joke of democratic processes. They stuff ballot boxes, jail opposition leaders, harass journalists, and threaten voters. They exploit all the tools at their disposal to rig an election in their favor. They increasinglywelcome elections, in fact, with recent scholarship showing “that elections can actually prolong dictatorships in the longer term,” as three European political scientists put it.

What they don’t do is adopt the bizarre tactic President Trump has. Neither I nor any of the political scientists and journalistic colleagues I consulted could come up with an example of a national leader trying to preemptively invalidate the upcoming election that he’s forecast to possibly lose. Generally, it’s opposition parties—some of whom may, of course, be aspiring autocrats—that attack the legitimacy of an upcoming referendum, not the guy in power. Yet that is precisely what Trump is doing with his ceaseless warbling about nonexistent voter fraud and the need, amid an unprecedented killer viral pandemic, to kill mail-in voting.

“If we don’t make a deal [to fund the U.S. Postal Service], that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting, they just can’t have it,” he told Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo last week. This is as anti-democratic as it is fantastical, akin to Arrested Development patriarch and white-collar felon George Bluth erroneously insisting that he and his wife can’t be arrested for the same crime. Even Fox News had trouble spinning Trump’s statement as anything other than an explicit desire to wreck American institutions: “Trump seeks to starve post office to limit mail-in voting,” one headline read. Before giving up the goods live and on air, he’d warned extensively all summer that November’s election—held in the country where his party controlled the federal government, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and nearly 60 percent of statehouses—would “be the greatest rigged election in history, it’ll be the greatest fraud ever perpetrated, other perhaps than what they did to my campaign [in 2016].”


It is neither incorrect nor unduly crude to say here that Trump is both stupid and full of spombleprofglidnoctobuns. There is no method or strategy here other than Trump’s radical centering of his world around himself. He pulled the preemptive “rigged election” card in 2016, too, when defeating his presidential campaign looked as easy as a chip-shot field goal. He hasn’t changed at all since then. He’s simply gone from being a terrible candidate to a terrible president, and in the process he’s decided to turn his longshot reelection into a referendum between him and America’s Constitution-based electoral system, again. The “if it happened here” test has become banal; it is always happening here now.

A better question might be: Is Trump the dumbest autocrat in the world?

Perhaps, but like his dullard son-in-law who’s trying to split the vote by putting a troubled rapper on the ballot, the president is playing a song in recognizable Republican chords.

“Democracy requires that parties know how to lose,” the political scientists Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt, authors of 2019’s How Democracies Die, wrote last September in The New York Times. In the United States, this fairly describes the Democrats, the Libertarians, the Greens, and even the rightist Constitution Party. But among nations that are still largely described as liberal democracies, no political party is as hellbent on winning cynically and in perpetuity, liberal democracy be damned, as the Republican Party. There are no shortage of examples of this, from gerrymandering to financial graft to census rigging to voter suppression. “The greatest threat to our democracy today,” Zevitsky and Ziblatt wrote last September, “is a Republican Party that plays dirty to win.”

But even with the power and lawbreaking gusto of the Trump family behind it, the GOP finds it exceedingly difficult to game this system entirely, in part because their recent rule has been so dishonest, so onerous, and so frankly homicidal that it’s historically unpopular—and this is maximally visible with the voting public. “To deter an autocratic ruling party from committing electoral fraud, the opposition must be endowed with a high enough number of ‘radical voters’” who “should possess an unwavering commitment to defeat the autocrat above the disagreements they might have on other issues,” Stanford political scientist Beatriz Magaloni wrote in a 2007 paper. Give Donald Trump credit: Few things might have alerted and concerned the American electorate the way he has by topping off three-and-a-half years of rump autocracy with a vocal desire to strangle the U.S. Postal Service in order to prevent the counting of mail-in ballots.

As Levitsky and Ziblatt wrote, “Politicians who fail to win elections must be willing to accept defeat, go home, and get ready to play again the next day. This norm of gracious losing is essential to a healthy democracy.” Trump may be a simpering moron, but like the Republican Party, he has a genius for sore losing. The difference is that Republicans have rarely run around calling an election rigged before it took place while they tried to rig it. There was the orchestrated 2000 Brooks Brothers riot to influence Florida’s presidential vote tally, a ruthless but fruitful strategy whose vague memory animates both parties’ now familiar preparations to litigate election results. But that plot, again, was built around the traditional work of trying to rig a favorable election result, not trying to invalidate the act of voting in advance of an election.

Trump—the perpetual loser who needs to feel like a winner—wants elections only to the extent that they beatify him. Last month, when he mused about postponing Election Day, something he can’t actually do, one Democratic strategist responded that Trump was trying “to jerry-rig the system to somehow spit him out as the winner.” But Trump increasingly speaks as if he sees losing as likely. Speaking to Sean Hannity in late June, the president conceded that Joe Biden was kicking his ass simply by hanging around. “He’s gonna be your president because some people don’t love me, maybe,” Trump said, almost wistfully. He’s not unrealistic, just narcissistic. The existing U.S. electoral system looks bleak for him, so he’s forcing Americans into a choice between him or the system. If he can’t win a fair election, he’ll just make a fair outcome impossible and stride into the camera frame, insisting that he alone can fix it.

Trump is not merely attacking faith in American democracy; he’s attacking the very idea that democracy is an achievable and desirable mode of governance. The world’s dictatorial dirtbags, from Vladimir Putin to Kim Jong Un to Rodrigo Duterte, were savvy to this from the start of Trump’s candidacy. Like all the slightly smarter, slightly skeevier businessmen and politicos who have cleaved to Trump’s underbelly like remoras on a great white, the global autocratic class recognizes that this ill-informed, insecure simpleton is their greatest hope, the hot gale that blows open political doors for the jackboots to march through. Despite the stiff competition this year, Trump remains the world’s most incompetent authoritarian—as well as its most dangerous.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1473 on: August 19, 2020, 05:36:55 PM »
Trump Supporters Score Higher on Verbal Ability Tests
And they do better on most science knowledge questions, too.


 
Yes, those Trump supporters know more about science.
They know that:
1) masks don't work
2) covid19 is a hoax
3) even though covid19 is a hoax, hydroxychloroquine will cure it
4) oleandrin is a cure, per the MyPillow guy

( for the record, and to adhere to forum rules - and, well, science- hydroxychloroquine and oleandrin are useless against covid19)

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1474 on: August 19, 2020, 05:43:50 PM »
Another record.  When will the winning stop?  And just wait until the Trump vaccine is released.

"The S&P 500 rose to an all-time high on Tuesday, capping off its incredible recovery from the coronavirus-induced sell-off that knocked it off its previous record back in February."
There's a vaccine to protect us from Trump?
Great news!

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Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1475 on: August 19, 2020, 05:48:52 PM »
There's a vaccine to protect us from Trump?
Great news!

Same vaccine Trump will get on death row when convicted of treason against the USA.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1476 on: August 19, 2020, 05:49:37 PM »
Trump vaccine: Vote Biden
« Last Edit: August 19, 2020, 05:50:17 PM by Bill Chapman »

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1477 on: August 19, 2020, 08:22:15 PM »
I know, look at the 3 Top States

1. New York=   32,840 deaths
2. New Jersey=15,912 deaths
3. California=   11,243 deaths
                       59,995 deaths  In 3 States Governed by hysterical liberal Democrats who endorse hysterical liberal Democrat rioters who don't stand 6 ft apart = not good 

I hope your Nursing Home is in Antarctica

Any particular reason you left out Texas and Florida, Der Spinmeister?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1478 on: August 19, 2020, 08:30:22 PM »
Do you really think Trump was speaking literally?  It is called humor.  Such blind hatred.  But save that thought about the 25th Amendment.  It might be needed soon.  Old Joe will be gone in six weeks if elected.  He has an obvious cognitive issue relating to his age and health.

He has a stutter, which Benedict "can't walk down a ramp or hold a water glass" Donald is desperately trying to spin into a cognitive issue.

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  An elderly man who has had two brain operations and would be older on his first day in office than Ronald Reagan was on his last day!

How old is the guy whose little brother just passed away from undeclared causes (covid, anyone?)?  Older than Ronald Reagan was.  Oops!

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Reagan was hounded by the media for years about his age.  But not a peep about octogenarian Joe.

Are you Royell in drag?  He didn't know what octogenarian meant either.  But no matter -- if anything were to happen to Joe, Kamala would be more than capable, unlike Der Fuhrer and his brown-nosing sidekick.  And the bonus would be that all you MAGA sexist racists would have to deal with a black woman president.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1479 on: August 20, 2020, 12:27:52 AM »
Yes, I'm sure Old Joe's stutter is the reason he can't recognize his own wife or know what state he is in.  It has nothing to do with his advanced age and multiple brain operations.  Maybe the press could ask him about it if his handlers ever allowed questions.  That's comedy gold.  But keep dreaming.  I noticed there is no more pedantic comments about the stock market being only "near" a record?  Or endless, nutty charts from Tom tracking the market and blaming Trump for the end of western civilization.  Oh well.  Maybe an asteroid ends all life as we know it so that can be blamed on Trump.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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