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Offline Peter Kleinschmidt

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1640 on: September 01, 2020, 03:28:26 AM »
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Former Trump chief of staff John Kelly says telling the president that things he wanted to do were illegal was like 'French kissing a chainsaw'

The former White House chief of staff John Kelly had a vivid simile for the experience of refusing President Donald Trump's requests, according to an upcoming book.

The book, "Donald Trump v. The United States," said that Kelly, a former Marine Corps general, has said that having to say no to Trump "was like 'French kissing a chainsaw,'" per an Axios report.
"Kelly has told others that Trump wanted to behave like an authoritarian and repeatedly had to be restrained and told what he could and could not legally do," the book says, according to Axios.
Neither Kelly nor Trump has responded to the book, which was written by Michael Schmidt, a correspondent for The New York Times.

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The former White House chief of staff John Kelly has said that having to refuse President Donald Trump's requests "was like 'French kissing a chainsaw,'" according to a new book.

"Kelly has told others that Trump wanted to behave like an authoritarian and repeatedly had to be restrained and told what he could and could not legally do," the book says, according to Axios.

It continued: "Aside from questions of the law, Kelly has told others that one of the most difficult tasks he faced with Trump was trying to stop him from pulling out of NATO — a move that Trump has repeatedly threatened but never made good on, which would have been a seismic breach of American alliances and an extraordinary gift to Putin."

Kelly, a former Marine Corps general, was the secretary of homeland security before serving as the White House chief of staff from July 2017 to January 2019. His departure came after reports that he and Trump were no longer on speaking terms.

Neither the White House nor Kelly has commented on the book, which, according to its synopsis, used "secret FBI and White House documents and confidential sources inside federal law enforcement and the West Wing" in its reporting.

The White House did not immediately respond to Business Insider's request for comment for this article.

I wonder what the military thinks of you. Oh, that's right, they let you go. You served no purpose, no combat either

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1642 on: September 01, 2020, 10:10:27 AM »
Rand Paul's little walk down the street was completely staged.  He has cars pick him up.

And nobody even touched the little snowflake.

Of course it was. Soon as he got back home he was tweeting he was "attacked" and the next day his wife did the same. Totally staged to blame Democrats and Biden. People saw right through it. 

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1643 on: September 01, 2020, 11:58:40 AM »
Of course it was. Soon as he got back home he was tweeting he was "attacked" and the next day his wife did the same. Totally staged to blame Democrats and Biden. People saw right through it.

Yesterday I had an interesting conversation with people from several European countries. They all agreed on one thing; America has become a banana republic under Trump.

How else can you describe a country where a 17 year old, carrying a semi-automatic weapon can kill two people and be defended on television by the President, who btw sees no harm in people shooting paintball rounds at demonstrators, or taking semi automatic rifles to a anti-covid 19 demonstration, but takes no position when a police officer shoots an unarmed black guy seven times in the back from close distance?

Just how delusional do you have to be to consider any of this even remotely normal?

America is no longer the land of the free.... It's the land of fear.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1644 on: September 01, 2020, 12:35:02 PM »
Yesterday I had an interesting conversation with people from several European countries. They all agreed on one thing; America has become a banana republic under Trump.

How else can you describe a country where a 17 year old, carrying a semi-automatic weapon can kill two people and be defended on television by the President, who btw sees no harm in people shooting paintball rounds at demonstrators, or taking semi automatic rifles to a anti-covid 19 demonstration, but takes no position when a police officer shoots an unarmed black guy seven times in the back from close distance?

Just how delusional do you have to be to consider any of this even remotely normal?

America is no longer the land of the free.... It's the land of fear.

Let's see how Kleinschmidt answers this.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1645 on: September 01, 2020, 12:57:36 PM »
Let's see how Kleinschmidt answers this.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1646 on: September 01, 2020, 01:35:09 PM »
Let's see how Kleinschmidt answers this.

I wouldn't place any kind of value on whatever it is that he has to say.

Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1647 on: September 01, 2020, 10:02:00 PM »
First off, only a tiny minority of Trump supporters believe the odd COVID-19 conspiracy theory described in the OP.

Speaking of COVID-19 and the unjustified panic that liberal news outlets continue to stoke, the U.S. COVID-19 case death rate has now dropped to 3.1%, which means the survival rate is 96.9%. Six months ago, 3 weeks after the lockdowns began, the case death rate was at around 5-6%. As of this morning, it is 3.1% (6.03 million cases/183K deaths).

Here is a statistic that we have not looked at yet: the number of COVID-19 deaths and the number of deaths from all causes by age group. These numbers come from the CDC's website:

AGE-----COVID-19 DEATHS-----TOTAL DEATHS
0-1                     17                            9835
1-4                     12                            1909
5-14                   28                            2935
15-24               280                          18594
25-34             1257                          38503
35-44             3401                          54563 
45-54             9648                        100926
55-64           22665                        231983
65-74           39980                        351806
75-84           48392                        430582
85-99           55710                        537185

We see that COVID-19 deaths constitute a very small portion of the total deaths for each age group. Among people aged 0-34, COVID-19 deaths account for only 2.8% of that group's total deaths. Even among the highest-risk age group, 85-99, COVID-19 deaths account for only 11% of that group's total deaths.

We also see that 78% of our COVID-19 deaths have been among people aged 65 and above.

So why are some states talking about resuming or actually resuming some of their senseless one-size-fits-all lockdown measures, especially when recent research shows that people with COVID-19 who have no symptoms are far less likely to transmit the virus than those who have symptoms, and given the fact that about 80% of COVID-19 cases involve no symptoms or only very mild symptoms.


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1647 on: September 01, 2020, 10:02:00 PM »