Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[John Iacoletti]

Again, a simple Google search can establish the facts.  As Dishonest John apparently admits, the number of deaths per capita in many countries exceeds that of the US.  And here is the March report on the projected number of deaths:

Do I need to remind you again what your actual statement was, Lying "Richard"?

The Europeans have done nothing better or that much differently than the US.  Some of those countries have a greater per capita number of cases and most have a greater number of deaths.

Both claims are false.

It's a pandemic.  There is no vaccine.  People will continue to get sick and die until the Trump vaccine has been released.

Fewer people will die with a president who actually listens to and values real science and doesn't lie to the public to keep them from "panicking".  And there's no such thing as a "Trump vaccine".

[Martin Weidmann]

There is one thing I really love about Trump and his family;

Everything the Republicans and guys like lying Richard try to blame Joe Biden and his family for or accuse him of has actually, provable already been done by Trump and his kids.

There isn't a single accusation against Joe Biden that can not be made (and proven true) against Trump.

[Richard Smith]

There is one thing I really love about Trump and his family;

Everything the Republicans and guys like lying Richard try to blame Joe Biden and his family for or accuse him of has actually, provable already been done by Trump and his kids.

There isn't a single accusation against Joe Biden that can not be made (and proven true) against Trump.

Imagine if Trump's son had been wired $3.5 million from the wife of the mayor of Moscow!  The impeachment would begin tomorrow.  The media would run that story for months. An amazing double standard.  Meanwhile ballots are already being discovered in the trash.  Changing the rules just weeks before the election is a total disaster in the making.  If the dems were confident that they were going to win, there would be no need to allow millions of votes by mail.  That is going to create chaos with ballots being challenged and subjective standards applied on the fly by different courts.  It may take months to count them and recount them as various courts set different and conflicting standards on which are valid.  Regardless of who wins, the other side is going to claim it was rigged.  That's as true for the dems as Trump.  The Harris administration will be undermined by claims of voter fraud and abuse that could be avoided by simply winning the election without changing the rules (Old Joe will be in the rest home so he won't care).

In fact, Hillary and others have suggested that Hiden should not concede under "any" circumstance.  Including apparently if he loses.  They have suggested the military be used to remove Trump. That is effectively a coup.  Astounding.  And she is not some hate filled social media nut like Martin, but one of the most powerful figures in the dem party who nearly became President.

[Richard Smith]

Who told ya Europe did everything right? Gimme a break. Just as bad as initially as the USA, they just got it a tad earlier in places like northern Italy and Spain.

Just pray when Trump loses he concedes......that's the real worry. The vote is already underway.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

LOL.  It's actually the dems who have said they will not concede under "any" circumstance and that they will ask the military to remove Trump.  Imagine if Trump had done that?  And it's the dems who are setting up an election process in which results will be in doubt.  There are media stories today of ballots being found in the trash, courts are ruling all different ways on the how to handle mailed in ballots.  It will create chaos.  Many of those court decisions are directly impacted by political bias and potentially decide elections where they are close.  If Old Joe is so far ahead in the polls, why not stick to the rules and not offer any opportunity for such challenges? 

[Martin Weidmann]

Imagine if Trump's son had been wired $3.5 million from the wife of the mayor of Moscow!  The impeachment would begin tomorrow.  The media would run that story for months. An amazing double standard.  Meanwhile ballots are already being discovered in the trash.  Changing the rules just weeks before the election is a total disaster in the making.  If the dems were confident that they were going to win, there would be no need to allow millions of votes by mail.  That is going to create chaos with ballots being challenged and subjective standards applied on the fly by different courts.  It may take months to count them and recount them as various courts set different and conflicting standards on which are valid.  Regardless of who wins, the other side is going to claim it was rigged.  That's as true for the dems as Trump.  The Harris administration will be undermined by claims of voter fraud and abuse that could be avoided by simply winning the election without changing the rules (Old Joe will be in the rest home so he won't care).

In fact, Hillary and others have suggested that Hiden should not concede under "any" circumstance.  Including apparently if he loses.  They have suggested the military be used to remove Trump. That is effectively a coup.  Astounding.  And she is not some hate filled social media nut like Martin, but one of the most powerful figures in the dem party who nearly became President.

Imagine if Trump's son had been wired $3.5 million from the wife of the mayor of Moscow!

Again, there is no context to this story, no evidence provided and without it it's just another wild claim by two Republican hacks who want to protect Trump. I saw an interview with one of them, yesterday, in which he said he just wanted these allegations to be investigated. Yeah right... just weeks prior to an election and later, just like with Hillary's emails, the alligations turn out to be hot air.

Besides, the trademarks Ivanka got from China, due to daddy being President, are worth far more than $3.5 million. Why are you not ranting about that?

Changing the rules just weeks before the election is a total disaster in the making.

There are no rules being changed. You are simple parrotting the lies Trump and his ilk are telling the people, so that they start to doubt the outcome of the election. Why? Because he knows he will lose.

If the dems were confident that they were going to win, there would be no need to allow millions of votes by mail.

There has always been mail in voting and there never was a problem. Trump is trying to create a problem where none exists.

Regardless of who wins, the other side is going to claim it was rigged.  That's as true for the dems as Trump.  The Harris administration will be undermined by claims of voter fraud and abuse that could be avoided by simply winning the election without changing the rules

Nope... ain't gonna happen. A landslide victory by the Democrats will be more than enough to proclaim a clear winner.

In fact, Hillary and others have suggested that Hiden should not concede under "any" circumstance.

Another typical Republican misrepresentation of what Hillary really said. She suggested that Biden should not concede the election on election night when mail in votes still need to be counted.

They have suggested the military be used to remove Trump. That is effectively a coup.  Astounding.

Idiot. How can it be a coup if he loses (big time) and refuses to go?

LOL.  It's actually the dems who have said they will not concede under "any" circumstance and that they will ask the military to remove Trump.  Imagine if Trump had done that?  And it's the dems who are setting up an election process in which results will be in doubt.  There are media stories today of ballots being found in the trash, courts are ruling all different ways on the how to handle mailed in ballots.  It will create chaos.  Many of those court decisions are directly impacted by political bias and potentially decide elections where they are close.  If Old Joe is so far ahead in the polls, why not stick to the rules and not offer any opportunity for such challenges? 

There are media stories today of ballots being found in the trash

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump supporters threw them in the trash!

And it's the dems who are setting up an election process in which results will be in doubt.

The Republicans are already doubting the election result before the election has even taken place. There is nothing the Democrats can do about that.

It will create chaos.

Trump is the one creating the chaos in advance.

Many of those court decisions are directly impacted by political bias and potentially decide elections where they are close.

And that's the next step in Trumps playbook... If the courts rule against him (as they will) then they are politically biased and can not be trusted..... on and on and on it goes....

If Old Joe is so far ahead in the polls, why not stick to the rules and not offer any opportunity for such challenges? 

Those challenges will come one way or the other.... But, tell me, what rules have been altered or broken, when and by whom? I bet you can not name a single voting law which has been changed.

[John Tonkovich]

The United States is 7th in the world in per capita deaths from Covid19.
That's out of 180 countries listed on the chart I found. Your mileage may vary.
Odd, that the richest country in the world is far less effective in prevention and management of a pandemic, while the majority of so called " third world" countries are far more successful.

Mr Crow, who lives somewhere " down under" could perhaps chime in as to his country's per capita death rate. ( I believe that AU and NZ had strict lockdowns, mask rules, contact tracing, etc., yes, the gubment done took away their freedoms.)

[Richard Smith]

Changing the rules just weeks before the election is a total disaster in the making.

There are no rules being changed. You are simple parrotting the lies Trump and his ilk are telling the people, so that they start to doubt the outcome of the election. Why? Because he knows he will lose.

 "There are no rules being changed."  Wow.  That's the most outrageous lie ever expressed on this forum.  Surpassing even Dishonest John.   Maybe try looking it up.  But here is just a start:

Alabama:   Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility requirements suspended, allowing all voters to cast ballots by mail in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Arizona:   On September 10, 2020, Judge Douglas Rayes, of the U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona, ordered election officials to give voters voters until 5:00 p.m. on the fifth business day after an election to sign their vote-by-mail ballot envelopes if they failed to sign at the time they submitted the ballots.
Arkansas:   Voters in the November 3, 2020, general election would be allowed to cite concerns over COVID-19 as a valid excuse for voting absentee. Hutchinson subsequently issued an executive order formalizing this policy change.
California:   Mail-in ballots sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election. Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) signed SB 423 into law, authorizing counties to consolidate polling places in the November 3, 2020, general election, among other modifications to administration procedures
Connecticut: Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election. Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility extended to any voter in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Delaware   Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Georgia: For the November 3, 2020, general election, absentee return postmark and receipt deadlines extended to November 3, 2020, and November 6, 2020, respectively.
Illinois:   Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Iowa:   Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Kentucky:   Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility requirements suspended, allowing all voters "concerned with contracting or spreading COVID-19" to cast ballots by mail in the November 3, 2020, general election. Early voting available Monday through SaPersonay beginning October 13, 2020. Affidavit option for voter ID requirement implemented for the November 3, 2020, general election.
Louisiana   Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility extended to the following voters in the November 3, 2020 general election: those at higher risk because of serious medical conditions, those subject to a 'medically necessary quarantine or isolation order,' those advised by a health provider to self-quarantine, those experiencing symptoms of COVID-19 and seeking a medical diagnosis, and those caring for an individual who is subject to a quarantine order and has been advised to self-quarantine.
Maine:   The voter pre-registration deadline in the November 3, 2020, general election was extended to October 19, 2020.
Maryland:   Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Massachusetts:   Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility extended to all qualified voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Michigan:   Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election. Absentee/mail-in ballot receipt deadline extended to November 17, 2020, for ballots postmarked on or before November 2, 2020. Voters allowed to have their ballots returned by anyone of their choosing between 5:01 p.m. on October 30, 2020, and the close of polls on November 3, 2020.
Minnesota: The absentee/mail-in ballot postmark deadline for the general election was extended to November 3, 2020. Witness requirements for absentee/mail-in ballots cast in the general election were suspended.
Mississippi: Absentee/mail-in ballot postmark deadline extended to November 3, 2020, for the November 3, 2020, election; receipt deadline extended to November 8, 2020. Absentee voting eligibility extended to individuals under physician-ordered quarantine and individuals caring for dependents under quarantine.
Missouri:   Permitting any registered voter to cast an absentee ballot in any 2020 election, subject to a notarization requirement. Individuals who have contracted COVID-19, and those who are at higher risk for contracting the virus, are exempted from the notarization requirement.
Montana:   Counties authorized to send mail-in ballots automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Nebraska:   Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Nevada:   Mail-in ballots sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
New Hampshire: Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility in the November 3, 2020, general election extended to any voter who is unable to vote in person because of illness resulting from COVID-19 or 'who fears that voting in person may expose himself/herself or others to COVID-19.'
New Jersey: Mail-in ballots sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election. Receipt deadline for ballots postmarked on or before Election Day extended to November 9, 2020. Receipt deadline for ballots without postmarks set as November 5, 2020.
New Mexico: Counties authorized to send mail-in ballot applications automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, election.
New York:   Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility in the November 3, 2020, general election extended to any voter 'unable to appear personally at the polling place of the election district in which they are a qualified voter because there is a risk of contracting or spreading a disease causing illness to the voter or to other members of the public.' Online portal launched for absentee ballot requests in the November 3, 2020, general election. Absentee ballot return drop boxes available for the November 3, 2020, general election. Ballot curing provisions expanded.
North Carolina:   Witness signature requirement for completed absentee ballots reduced from two to one for 2020 elections.
Ohio: Each county directed to provide one drop-box for absentee/mail-in ballots in the November 3, 2020, general election. Election officials required to accept absentee ballot applications submitted via fax or email.
Oklahoma:   Reinstating the absentee ballot notarization requirement struck down by the state supreme court on May 4, 2020. The legislation permitted voters to submit copies of their identification in lieu of having the ballot notarized in the event of a state of emergency occurring within 45 days of an election. The legislation also specified that individuals experiencing symptoms indicative of COVID-19, and individuals classified as vulnerable to infection, could cast an absentee ballot under the 'physical incapacitation' eligibility criterion.
Pennsylvania:   Prepaid return postage provided for mail-in and absentee ballots in the November 3, 2020, general election. Absentee/mail-in ballot receipt deadline extended to November 6, 2020 (with a postmark deadline of November 3, 2020, or no proof that the ballot was sent after that date). Drop boxes for returning completed absentee/mail-in ballots authorized.
Rhode Island:   Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election. Witness/notary requirements for mail-in ballots suspended for the November 3, 2020, general election.
South Carolina:   Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility extended to all active registered voters in the November 3, 2020, general election. Prepaid postage provided for all returned ballots in the November 3, 2020, general election. In-person absentee voting (i.e., early voting) set to begin October 5, 2020, and end November 2, 2020. Absentee/mail-in ballot witness requirement suspended.
Tennessee: Absentee/mail-in ballot eligibility in the November 3, 2020, general election extended to 'individuals with a special vulnerability to COVID-19' and 'caretakers for individuals with a special vulnerability to COVID-19.' Policy requiring that first-time absentee/mail-in voters show their identification at an election office before voting temporarily suspended.
Texas: Voters required to be notified if their absentee ballots might be rejected due to signature mismatch; officials required to give such voters a 'meaningful opportunity to cure' their ballots.
Vermont: Mail-in ballots sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Virginia: A federal court approved a partial settlement suspending the witness requirement for absentee ballots cast in the November 3, 2020, general election. Gov. Ralph Northam (D) signed into law legislation providing for the use of drop-boxes and prepaid absentee/mail-in ballot return postage in the November 3, 2020, general election.
West Virginia: Absentee/mail-in ballot eligibility in the November 3, 2020, general election extended to all voters 'concerns about their health and safety because of COVID-19.' Secretary of State Mac Warner (R) also announced the implementation of an online absentee/mail-in ballot request portal for the general election.
Wisconsin: Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to most voters in the November 3,

[John Tonkovich]

Richard Smith:
We're in the midst of a pandemic, where 200,000+ people have died, and thousands are dealing with lingering medical issues post infection. Voting in person, at this time, is a legitimate health risk. So, appropriate steps are being taken to minimize further spreading of the virus.
Additionally, several states have had vote by mail procedures in place, long before the pandemic.
As an American, why are you speaking out against your fellow Americans who are trying to participate in the voting process and simultaneously trying to avoid infecting others, and/or not becoming infected themselves?