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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2120 on: October 19, 2020, 03:00:38 PM »
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Are we to believe the discredited Russian Rudi and Bloated Bannon? He who live by "fake news" is destined to die by it. Remind me where the arrest of Bannon occurred. What were the contact details the computer repair shop owner used in his frantic attempts to contact whoever dropped the laptops off? $85 for three laptops....really? Colour me unconvinced.

It is a complete and baseless fantasy to suggest this computer is part of any Russian disinformation plan.  That is laughable.  Imagine that plan.  Concocted all this fake information (all of which can be easily discredited if faked), drop it off at some random shop, hope the proprietor takes a look at the contents,  hope that he is not a Biden supporter,  leave it to chance that he contacts the authorities, all this knowing that it can easily be debunked by the FBI's technical experts and on and on.  It is ludicrous but it doesn't surprise me that JFK CTers are pumping that rubbish.  If the Russians were involved, they would just provide the email to Wikileaks to post.  None of this complexity and leaving it to chance.  Crackhead Hunter dropped it off.  He is not too bright.  The Bidens have yet to claim it is fake.  End of story.  The "Big Guy" has been caught red handed.  This is a career bureaucrat who spent nearly 50 years on a government salary but he and every member of his family are multimillionaires.  It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes or James Bond to sort out.

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe on Monday said that Hunter Biden’s laptop “is not part of some Russian disinformation campaign.”
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2121 on: October 19, 2020, 03:57:07 PM »
It is a complete and baseless fantasy to suggest this computer is part of any Russian disinformation plan.  That is laughable.  Imagine that plan.  Concocted all this fake information (all of which can be easily discredited if faked), drop it off at some random shop, hope the proprietor takes a look at the contents,  hope that he is not a Biden supporter,  leave it to chance that he contacts the authorities, all this knowing that it can easily be debunked by the FBI's technical experts and on and on.  It is ludicrous but it doesn't surprise me that JFK CTers are pumping that rubbish.  If the Russians were involved, they would just provide the email to Wikileaks to post.  None of this complexity and leaving it to chance.  Crackhead Hunter dropped it off.  He is not too bright.  The Bidens have yet to claim it is fake.  End of story.  The "Big Guy" has been caught red handed.  This is a career bureaucrat who spent nearly 50 years on a government salary but he and every member of his family are multimillionaires.  It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes or James Bond to sort out.

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe on Monday said that Hunter Biden’s laptop “is not part of some Russian disinformation campaign.”

It is a complete and baseless fantasy to suggest this computer is part of any Russian disinformation plan.

Then why was Trump briefed a year ago that Giuliani was the subject of a Russian disinformation scheme?

And, true or not, suggesting that it is part of a Russian scheme is working, because except for some right wing outlets nobody is interested in a re-run of the Hillary e-mail "scandal" that went nowhere fast and/or the Ukraine scandal of two years ago that blew up in Trump's face. Giuliani has overplayed his hand and now sees his own strategy of making allegations without proof working against him. Rudy's problem is that he has no more credibility left. For a year now he has been claiming he had all sorts of evidence against the Biden's, yet he never submitted any of it to law enforcement. That alone tells a sane person all he/she needs to know about the veracity of Giuliani's claims.

Imagine that plan.  Concocted all this fake information (all of which can be easily discredited if faked), drop it off at some random shop, hope the proprietor takes a look at the contents,  hope that he is not a Biden supporter,  leave it to chance that he contacts the authorities, 

Another typical "Richard Smith" strawman based on massive speculation. If Trump supporters are willing to kidnap and kill Governors, don't you think it's easy to find a pro-Trump repairman that will play the game for some compensation?

And btw the information doesn't have to be discredited. It needs to be authenticated, which is easy to do by producing the meta data.....So, where is it?

all this knowing that it can easily be debunked by the FBI's technical experts and on and on.

As the FBI has had the original hard drives for nearly a year now, and did not act upon the information, it's reasonable and safe to assume that they have already figured out the whole thing is bogus.

If the Russians were involved, they would just provide the email to Wikileaks to post.

Is that what your Russian contacts tell you, or did you just make it up yourself?

Crackhead Hunter dropped it off.  He is not too bright.  The Bidens have yet to claim it is fake.  End of story.  The "Big Guy" has been caught red handed.  This is a career bureaucrat who spent nearly 50 years on a government salary but he and every member of his family are multimillionaires.  It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes or James Bond to sort out.

No, indeed... it requires, out of all people, Steve Bannon and Rudy Giuliani to "discover" this information 20 days prior to an election and it requires right wing nuts like "Richard Smith" to believe it at face value without any kind of evidence and/or verification.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2122 on: October 19, 2020, 04:10:41 PM »
It is a complete and baseless fantasy to suggest this computer is part of any Russian disinformation plan.  That is laughable.  Imagine that plan.  Concocted all this fake information (all of which can be easily discredited if faked), drop it off at some random shop, hope the proprietor takes a look at the contents,  hope that he is not a Biden supporter,  leave it to chance that he contacts the authorities, all this knowing that it can easily be debunked by the FBI's technical experts and on and on.  It is ludicrous but it doesn't surprise me that JFK CTers are pumping that rubbish.  If the Russians were involved, they would just provide the email to Wikileaks to post.  None of this complexity and leaving it to chance.  Crackhead Hunter dropped it off.  He is not too bright.  The Bidens have yet to claim it is fake.  End of story.  The "Big Guy" has been caught red handed.  This is a career bureaucrat who spent nearly 50 years on a government salary but he and every member of his family are multimillionaires.  It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes or James Bond to sort out.

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe on Monday said that Hunter Biden’s laptop “is not part of some Russian disinformation campaign.”

Radcliffe, isn’t he one of Trump's stooges that hasn’t been fired yet? What was Hillary's email "crime" last time? At least Trump had Comey leading the way in 2016.

When is Barr going to press charges? Can hardly wait.....by the way....it’s not hard to accumulate multi millions over that period on a public salary. What was his salary? Haven’t you been able to?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2123 on: October 19, 2020, 04:11:17 PM »
It is a complete and baseless fantasy to suggest this computer is part of any Russian disinformation plan.

Then why was Trump briefed a year ago that Giuliani was the subject of a Russian disinformation scheme?

And suggesting that it is part of a Russian scheme is working, because except for some right wing outlets nobody is interested in a re-run of the Ukraine scandal of two years ago. Giuliani has overplayed his hand. He has no credibility left. For a year now he has been claiming he had all sorts of evidence against the Biden's, yet he never submitted any of it to law enforcement. That alone tells a sane person all he/she needs to know.

Imagine that plan.  Concocted all this fake information (all of which can be easily discredited if faked), drop it off at some random shop, hope the proprietor takes a look at the contents,  hope that he is not a Biden supporter,  leave it to chance that he contacts the authorities, 

Another typical "Richard Smith" strawman based on massive speculation. If Trump supporters are willing to kidnap and kill Governors, don't you think it's easy to find a pro-Trump repairman that will play the game for some compensation?

all this knowing that it can easily be debunked by the FBI's technical experts and on and on.

As the FBI has had the original hard drives for nearly a year now, and did not act upon the information, it's reasonable and safe to assume that they have already figured out the whole thing is bogus.

If the Russians were involved, they would just provide the email to Wikileaks to post.

Is that what your Russian contacts tell you, or did you just make it up yourself?

Crackhead Hunter dropped it off.  He is not too bright.  The Bidens have yet to claim it is fake.  End of story.  The "Big Guy" has been caught red handed.  This is a career bureaucrat who spent nearly 50 years on a government salary but he and every member of his family are multimillionaires.  It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes or James Bond to sort out.

No, indeed... it requires, out of all people, Steve Bannon and Rudy Giuliani to "discover" this information 20 days prior to an election and it requires right wing nuts like "Richard Smith" to believe it at face value without any kind of evidence and/or verification.

How about this?  Old Joe or Hunter just clear it up.  They obviously knows whether the information on the computer is fake.  Or the FBI just confirm?  If it is faked, the Hiden campaign deserves to have that cleared up.  If it is authentic, the American public deserves to know that Dirty Joe and his crackhead son are on the payroll of China and many other foreign countries before electing him President.  That seems fair enough.  The truth is out there.  This is not a matter that can't be resolved.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2124 on: October 19, 2020, 04:15:06 PM »
220,000 deaths in US.
I recall, months ago, speculating on the future death toll from the pandemic.
Mr Crow - being who he is - seems pretty "spot on" in his prognostications; on August 12th, he predicted 220,000 deaths by election day, which is about two weeks away.
With the current White House strategy - ignore, deny, herd immunity? - likely to continue until at least January 20th, 2021, and with fall, and then early winter keeping most folks inside, the likelihood of 300,000 deaths by inauguration day seems...very likely?
Mr Crow?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2125 on: October 19, 2020, 04:19:46 PM »
Radcliffe, isn’t he one of Trump's stooges that hasn’t been fired yet? What was Hillary's email "crime" last time? At least Trump had Comey leading the way in 2016.

When is Barr going to press charges? Can hardly wait.....by the way....it’s not hard to accumulate multi millions over that period on a public salary. What was his salary? Haven’t you been able to?


LOL.  I guess all government employees are multimillionaires!  Who knew it could be so lucrative.  He just saved his pennies to accumulate those millions!  Nothing to see here:

Over the course of his tenure, Biden's salary increased from $42,500 per year to $174,000 per year, according to the Senate's historical records. When he was elected Vice President, he got another raise, earning roughly $230,000 a year. Forbes estimates that he has a net worth of $9 million. Per Forbes, the Bidens' two homes in Delaware are worth a combined $4 million. The site also notes that they have "cash and investments worth another $4 million or so"



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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2126 on: October 19, 2020, 04:26:03 PM »
Radcliffe, isn’t he one of Trump's stooges that hasn’t been fired yet? What was Hillary's email "crime" last time? At least Trump had Comey leading the way in 2016.

When is Barr going to press charges? Can hardly wait.....by the way....it’s not hard to accumulate multi millions over that period on a public salary. What was his salary? Haven’t you been able to?
Radcliffe is the guy who lied about his record as a federal prosecutor.
And was called out on it.
"Stooge" is polite word for him; while the circumstances are slightly different, I think he merits the moniker of "Quisling". Vidkun would be very proud to see such prevaricating, on such a grand scale.  :)

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2127 on: October 19, 2020, 04:30:44 PM »
220,000 deaths in US.
I recall, months ago, speculating on the future death toll from the pandemic.
Mr Crow - being who he is - seems pretty "spot on" in his prognostications; on August 12th, he predicted 220,000 deaths by election day, which is about two weeks away.
With the current White House strategy - ignore, deny, herd immunity? - likely to continue until at least January 20th, 2021, and with fall, and then early winter keeping most folks inside, the likelihood of 300,000 deaths by inauguration day seems...very likely?
Mr Crow?

Yes, the number of deaths are in line with the projections made by the CDC earlier this year with mitigation efforts (while Hiden was still holding large rallies).  Without such efforts they predicted as many as two million deaths.  So millions of lives have been saved according to the CDC.  Even to this day Hiden has not made clear what he would do differently.  The Trump vaccine will be available soon.  In record speed.  It's a sad spectacle to politicize this tragedy with the false narrative that some still unspecified mistake was made by Trump.  Everything that could conceivably be done was done.  The only obvious failure was among dem governors like Cuomo who placed elderly folks at risk with his criminal negligence and incompetence.  He and a few other dems either intentionally or through sheer stupidity and efforts to influence the election caused enormous economic harm in their states while having the highest number of deaths.  NY and NJ alone account for about one third of all the deaths. 
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