My Re-Evaluation of Johnny Brewer’s Initial Report of December 6, 1963

[David Von Pein]

What about the question to Brewer...
"...Can you remember when you heard about the Tippit killing-the shooting of the policeman?"
Answer..."I've never really thought about it".

And yet we have Brewer telling Eddie Barker of CBS this in 1964....

"Just a few minutes before he [Oswald] walked into the lobby, on the radio they had a bulletin that an officer had been shot here in Oak Cliff."

Go figure.

Where is that "clear" bulletin? I have failed to hear it.

That certainly doesn't mean no such bulletin existed. Go find the KBOX-Radio coverage from 1:15 PM to 1:35 PM. If you can find it, I'll bet you'd find the bulletin in question. But since it evidently wasn't preserved, all we can do is guess (and all the conspiracy theorists can do, therefore, is to pretend no such broadcast ever existed).

[Jerry Freeman]

Go figure.  I'll bet you'd find the bulletin in question.

I will go very slowly one more time-----The KBOX recording that we do hear [pt 1] starts with the announcement..JFK died. Then it recaps--- "a suspect about 30 yrs old was in custody" and "also one Dallas police detective arrived at Parkland DOA". Little surprising information until---
At 24:30 into that recording it states "moments ago a police officer reported to have been shot down at 10th and Patton...several squads of police have been ordered to that area."
That is....moments ago...this being 25 minutes after the announcement JFK died at the beginning of the recording!
Now how long is a moment? Certainly not 25 minutes. 
Why would someone say moments ago if the bulletin had already been announced a half hour earlier?
The KBOX broadcast is found in reply # 43.

All the lone assassin theorists can do, therefore, is to pretend that some other phantom broadcast existed. 

[Martin Weidmann]

Nonsense. Brewer didn't "fabricate" anything.

I think Brewer was probably listening to KBOX Radio on 11/22/63. And Dale Myers seems to think so too....

http://jfk-assassination-as-it-happened.blogspot.com/2015/12/kbox-radio.html

"KBOX Radio might have been the station that Johnny Brewer had turned on that day, because within the first minute of the KBOX coverage [linked above] (which equates to about 1:35 PM CST), there's a bulletin which states: "We also have one Dallas detective reported dead on arrival at Parkland Hospital." (If that report was referring to Officer Tippit, then there are two errors in it, because Tippit was taken to Methodist Hospital, not Parkland, and Tippit, of course, was not a "detective". But later radio reports did also make the mistake of calling the slain policeman "Detective Tippit". So that KBOX bulletin probably is referring to Officer Tippit's death. And if that's the case, then Johnny Brewer could have heard about the Tippit shooting prior to seeing Oswald come into the lobby area of his shoe store. And it's also possible that KBOX could have provided a bulletin about the policeman's shooting even earlier than 1:35, but I have no way to confirm whether they did or not, because the version of the KBOX material in my collection begins at about 1:35 PM.)

[...]

"I'm certainly willing to accept the possibility that Johnny Brewer might have gotten mixed up concerning the precise time when he first heard the news about a police officer being shot in Oak Cliff. Perhaps he did hear that news a little later in the day. But also keep in mind the 1:35 PM KBOX report about the DOA "detective" (which is a remarkably speedy bulletin, because KBOX not only was reporting on the wounding of a police officer, they were already reporting on the death of that policeman as early as 1:35), which tends to indicate that at least one Dallas-area radio station was reporting the officer's shooting at a time which would be perfectly consistent with Johnny Brewer's account of only seeing Oswald after hearing about the policeman's shooting on the radio.

"The KBOX audio footage I provided does not, however, give the necessary detail about the shooting taking place in Oak Cliff, but, as I mentioned earlier, it's possible that such an "Oak Cliff" detail was mentioned in an earlier KBOX bulletin, which preceded the point in time when my truncated copy of the coverage begins.

"In any event, even if Brewer didn't hear any pre-1:36 PM radio bulletin concerning the Tippit shooting, it's still quite clear to me from the weight of John Brewer's testimony and statements over the years that Brewer was suspicious of Lee Harvey Oswald's behavior and actions shortly after 1:30 PM on 11/22/63 (such as: Oswald turning his back to the street just as the police cars went roaring by).

[...]

"BTW / FYI .... Here is a CBS-TV interview with Johnny Brewer from 1964. In this interview, Brewer says this: "Just a few minutes before he [Oswald] walked into the lobby, on the radio they had a bulletin that an officer had been shot here in Oak Cliff." " -- DVP; April 18, 2019

-----------

From Dale Myers....

"My work on this issue was quite exhaustive and appears as endnote No. 617 (pages 738-739 of the 2013 Edition of “With Malice”). ....
A 1:59 p.m. KBOX report from newsman Sam Pate repeats information known to have been previously broadcast, including a report about the Tippit shooting (“Moments ago a police officer reported to have been shot down at Tenth and Patton in the Oak Cliff area. Several squads of police, approximately twenty men, ordered to the Oak Cliff area. A late word shows that the police officer was dead on arrival at Methodist Hospital.”). This KBOX report on the Tippit shooting was probably broadcast earlier on KBOX shortly after 1:31 p.m. when it was reported over the Dallas police radio that Tippit was DOA at Methodist Hospital." -- Dale K. Myers; E-Mail To DVP On April 19, 2019

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2019/04/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1317.html

"KBOX Radio might have been the station that Johnny Brewer had turned on that day, because within the first minute of the KBOX coverage [linked above] (which equates to about 1:35 PM CST), there's a bulletin which states: "We also have one Dallas detective reported dead on arrival at Parkland Hospital." (If that report was referring to Officer Tippit, then there are two errors in it, because Tippit was taken to Methodist Hospital, not Parkland, and Tippit, of course, was not a "detective". But later radio reports did also make the mistake of calling the slain policeman "Detective Tippit". So that KBOX bulletin probably is referring to Officer Tippit's death. And if that's the case, then Johnny Brewer could have heard about the Tippit shooting prior to seeing Oswald come into the lobby area of his shoe store.

Sorry David, but this fails to convince for two reasons;

First, it's highly speculative on your (and Myers') part where you try to morph a reported death of a detective at Parkland into Tippit's death at Methodist, without a shred of evidence. Just after Kennedy was killed, there were - apparently erroneous - reports about a Secret Service man being also shot and killed, about a pool of blood in the sidewalk and so on. The report about a detective being reported dead at Parkland could just as easily have been one of those erroneous reports and thus have nothing to do with Tippit at all.

Secondly, and more importantly, even if Brewer heard the report about a Detective being reported dead at Parkland, it still would have told him nothing about Tippit being killed at 10th and Patton. Brewer told CBS in 1964:

"Just a few minutes before he [Oswald] walked into the lobby, on the radio they had a bulletin that an officer had been shot here in Oak Cliff."

which means he couldn't be talking about the KBOX report, as he would have no way of knowing that the report - as you suggest - was actually about an officer being killed in Oak Cliff.

[Bill Chapman]

Bill posted another contradiction in Brewer's statements.
He still must have not read the interview!
Wake up Bill!
See what Brewer says in that interview--- that he didn't recall that the broadcast said anything about a policeman.
There you have it. Changing his story-- [an obviously guilty conscience perhaps?]
Brewer himself denied there any reason to suspect anyone of anything.
Watch the Oswald did it-bots profess that Brewer must have had a divine revelation [even though he doesn't seem to say so himself]

'Changing his story' from what, exactly..

[Bill Chapman]

And yet we have Brewer telling Eddie Barker of CBS this in 1964....

"Just a few minutes before he [Oswald] walked into the lobby, on the radio they had a bulletin that an officer had been shot here in Oak Cliff."

Go figure.


That certainly doesn't mean no such bulletin existed. Go find the KBOX-Radio coverage from 1:15 PM to 1:35 PM. If you can find it, I'll bet you'd find the bulletin in question. But since it evidently wasn't preserved, all we can do is guess (and all the conspiracy theorists can do, therefore, is to pretend no such broadcast ever existed).

'Just a few minutes before he [Oswald] walked into the lobby, on the radio they had a bulletin that an officer had been shot here in Oak Cliff'

I understand from the Griggs interview that by the time Oswald showed up, Brewer had only heard about a shooting in Oak Cliff, not that an officer had been the victim.

[John Iacoletti]

No pinch hitter, huh
You lot keep striking out

Thanks again for your always useful advancement of knowledge regarding the evidence in this case.

[John Iacoletti]

Nonsense. Brewer didn't "fabricate" anything.

I think Brewer was probably listening to KBOX Radio on 11/22/63.

The only, and I mean ONLY reason to think this is "probably" true is that KBOX is the only station for which there is no extant audio for the time period in question.  Which is as circular an argument as there can be.

[John Tonkovich]

And yet we have Brewer telling Eddie Barker of CBS this in 1964....

"Just a few minutes before he [Oswald] walked into the lobby, on the radio they had a bulletin that an officer had been shot here in Oak Cliff."

Go figure.


That certainly doesn't mean no such bulletin existed. Go find the KBOX-Radio coverage from 1:15 PM to 1:35 PM. If you can find it, I'll bet you'd find the bulletin in question. But since it evidently wasn't preserved, all we can do is guess (and all the conspiracy theorists can do, therefore, is to pretend no such broadcast ever existed).

"all we can do is guess"

Precisely.