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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: 20 Key Facts About the JFK Assassination in 8 Minutes
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2020, 06:43:32 PM »
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I published this article on my JFK site a few weeks ago. It has proved to be one of the most popular articles on my site. The article presents 20 key facts about JFK's murder that can be read in 8 minutes. References for each fact are presented after the list of facts. Here are a few of the facts:

More popular than the article that explains that the Confederate states seceded because of the high tariff? Even though when the 7 original Confederate states seceded, the tariff was at its lowest level since 1816. And the four states which published their “Declarations of Causes”, South Carolina, Mississippi, Texas and Georgia, (following the example of the 1776 Declaration of Independence) did not mention the word ‘Tariff’ once. Lots of mentions about the Northern threat to the institution of slavery. Lots of complains about Northern states passing state laws which conflict with the Federal Fugitive Slave Law, something that strong proponents of ‘State Rights’ would never do. Because, under the principle of ‘State Rights’, Vermont has every right to pass a law on how it should be determined if a man is really an escaped slave or not, within the state of Vermont. But the Confederates did not think so. But no mention of the word ‘Tariff’. This was an argument that was developed after 1861, to disguise the true motives for Secession.



1. The ammunition that struck JFK in the head did not behave like the type of ammunition that the alleged assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, supposedly used. Also, Oswald allegedly used 6.5 mm bullets, but the rear entrance wound on the skull was only 6.0 mm wide, so it could not have been made by a 6.5 mm bullet.

No ballistic expert, who conducts real world experiments, whose testimony would be accepted in a court of law, believes this assersion. Ballistic experts like Larry Sturdivan, Luke Haag and Michael Haag. No ballistic expert in this country, or any other country.

The entrance wound was measured to be 6.0 mm wide? Not 6.1 mm? Or 6.2 mm? How was this measurement made so precisely?

Was this measurement taken of the skin or the skull?



2. One of the three bullet shells that were reportedly found near the window from which Oswald allegedly fired could not have been used to fire a bullet during the shooting because it had a sizable dent in it. This means Oswald could have only fired two shots, but at least three shots were fired during the assassination.

The shell was made by firing the bullet and ejecting the shell from a rifle. So, this not only could be done but was done.

What alternative explanation do you have for making such a shell with a dent in it?

Taking the bullet from the factory before it is joined with the rest of the bullet, and putting a dent in it?



19. Eyewitness accounts, photos, declassified files, and the Zapruder film indicate that six shots were fired at JFK’s limousine. The lone-gunman theory only allows for three shots.

The Zapruder film? If so:

What frames numbers show when the shot was fired?

What direction was each of the six bullets fired from?

Exactly what did each of the six bullets strike?



I like to see something like:

Bullet 1: At z148, fired from the rear, struck the street on the right side of the limousine.
Bullet 2: At z186-z190, fired from the front, struck the throat of JFK.

etc.

I like to see some claim that can be evaluated.

I hope you’re not going to claim that the Zapruder film shows 6 clear bullet strikes, but you can’t tell approximately when they struck. Maybe they struck at z148, z155, z175, z230, z275 and z313. Or maybe they struck at z160, z180, z200, z220, z315 and z330. Can’t really tell when they struck. But it does clearly show 6 strikes.

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Offline Louis Earl

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Re: 20 Key Facts About the JFK Assassination in 8 Minutes
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2020, 07:40:21 PM »
That escalated quickly. 

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: 20 Key Facts About the JFK Assassination in 8 Minutes
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2020, 10:32:50 PM »

19. Eyewitness accounts, photos, declassified files, and the Zapruder film indicate that six shots were fired at JFK’s limousine. The lone-gunman theory only allows for three shots.

It is curious that Mr. Griffith, who believes the Zapruder film was altered, to hide the evidence for multiple shooters, also believes that the Zapruder film shows the six shots that were fired. This would seem to be a fairly bad attempt to alter the film. I’m surprised he doesn’t claim the Zapruder film shows 8 shots, the 6 reals shots, some of which they tried to eliminate but failed, plus two extra ones they inadvertently added.

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: 20 Key Facts About the JFK Assassination in 8 Minutes
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2020, 10:45:58 PM »
Let’s cut to the chase. You believe at least 6 shots were fired in Dealey Plaza. It’s 57 years later. Who were the assassins? Prove your case with hard, credible evidence.  It’s not what you think you know, it’s what you can prove. We await the solution.
Prove you went to first grade....we are awaiting proof.
 Or is that unreasonable?

Offline Paul May

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Re: 20 Key Facts About the JFK Assassination in 8 Minutes
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2020, 04:04:34 AM »
Prove you went to first grade....we are awaiting proof.
 Or is that unreasonable?

It’s unreasonable. I never claimed I went to first grade.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: 20 Key Facts About the JFK Assassination in 8 Minutes
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2020, 07:44:53 PM »
Let’s cut to the chase. You believe at least 6 shots were fired in Dealey Plaza. It’s 57 years later. Who were the assassins? Prove your case with hard, credible evidence.  It’s not what you think you know, it’s what you can prove. We await the solution.

That's easy to demand when you've never proven that your opinion is actually true.

Offline Peter Kleinschmidt

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Re: 20 Key Facts About the JFK Assassination in 8 Minutes
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2020, 09:04:20 AM »
No one denies that the HSCA acoustical experts determined that the DPD dictabelt contains four gunshot impulses and that one of the shots came from the grassy knoll.

In 2020 everyone denies what you state as fact above. This “evidence” was long ago discarded. You know this FACT yet you continue pushing it.


At least three dozen DP witnesses said they thought shots came from the grassy knoll. How could you not know this? This is a fact. You might not like it, but it is a fact.

Unconcerned with what witnesses “thought” they heard. No ballistic evidence for ANY shots from the grassy knoll. More CT fantasy.

The Secret Service did in fact refuse to allow the Dallas medical examiner to perform an autopsy. How can you not know this?

I’m not disputing this. You however as you ALWAYS do find this nefarious. I do not. Human emotion and Jackie Kennedy played a huge role.

The fact that the military doctors who performed the autopsy at Bethesda were poorly qualified and inexperienced has been acknowledged by virtually everyone on both sides. Are you suggesting that they were not unqualified and inexperienced? (Humes and Boswell had *never* done a gunshot autopsy, and Finck had not done one in two years.)

Agree. The military doctors were poorly qualified. The POTUS deserved better. Nefarious? Hardly. The quality of the autopsy was business as usual but under the glare of public scrutiny.

Oswald was not a skilled marksman according to his Marine rifle records and according to virtually everyone who saw him fire a rifle.

Once again you attempt to deceive. Oswald qualified as Marine Corps sharpshooter. The Kennedy shooting itself was not a terribly difficult act. Your continued reliance on witnesses is absurd and does little to bolster your weak arguments.

I can go on and on but what’s the point?




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The Kennedy shooting itself was not a terribly difficult act.


Explain what you mean by the "shooting itself"? Then to add  "was not a terribly difficult act". Maybe it was maybe it wasn't.  Whatever theory, choose any narrative and some people will disagree. For argument's sake or lack of it,  will agree that it was one person with one gun  4 shots 3 shots?...have your pick and then choose where it originated from? A window? Which building?  Pick how many seconds for the shooting itself and last forget about Oswald as a sharpshooter, a bad shot or whatever.  Take the one person, the one gun, etc plug it into your formula that makes it not terribly difficult.  Fair enough? Why not, right?  Everything seems to fit into place...but there is a problem. None of it fits into place. Not only is it wrong it's not even close, it's simply impossible for it to have happened the way you think it did. Any combination of the pieces will not show the "shooting itself"   therefore you can not know if it was or wasn't terribly difficult

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: 20 Key Facts About the JFK Assassination in 8 Minutes
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2020, 02:43:47 PM »
A marine-trained rifleman is going to be an excellent shot by genpop standards
On the sporting field, it's akin to Pro's v Joe's
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