The First Shot

[Andrew Mason]

He turns to the left slightly between those two frames.  Are you suggesting that the bullet at z223 that you are hypothesizing also caused him to turn in that space of time?

I hadn't yet addressed the issue of JBC's body slightly rotating, so hadn't 'suggested' anything related to it.
However, the answer to your question is "Yes",  JBC's body has ever-so-slightly rotated from one frame to the next (IMO)

I asked whether you thought the turn was also connected to the supposed bullet strike or is it just a coincidence that it occurs at the same time?

[Dan O'meara]

I asked whether you thought the turn was also connected to the supposed bullet strike or is it just a coincidence that it occurs at the same time?

Yes, I believe the slight rotation of JBC's body from one frame to the next is caused by the impact of the bullet.
The bullet has punctured the muscles of his back, crushed part of his rib and burst through the muscle of his chest. I believe this impact has slightly rotated his body.
JBC's body continues to rotate in the frames immediately after as well.

[Dan O'meara]

I've created this simple Gif to emphasise how extreme Connally's reaction to being shot is. We've already seen the incredibly quick "hat flip" but this is to show how his body has reacted. I've taken a close up from z223 where Connally is sat upright, looking composed. The other frame is from z240 - less than one second later - and shows JBC twisted and contorted in his seat.
It is clearly an extreme reaction.

[Andrew Mason]

I've created this simple Gif to emphasise how extreme Connally's reaction to being shot is. We've already seen the incredibly quick "hat flip" but this is to show how his body has reacted. I've taken a close up from z223 where Connally is sat upright, looking composed. The other frame is from z240 - less than one second later - and shows JBC twisted and contorted in his seat.
It is clearly an extreme reaction.

I agree that it is a sudden turn of the shoulders and torso from forward facing to about 75 degrees right together with a turn of the head about the same relative to the shoulders, so the head is turned about 150 degrees to the right. That would appear to be an intentional turn.

How can you tell that it is NOT the intentional turn that JBC said he made after the first shot and before he felt the bullet strike his back?

[Dan O'meara]

I agree that it is a sudden turn of the shoulders and torso from forward facing to about 75 degrees right together with a turn of the head about the same relative to the shoulders, so the head is turned about 150 degrees to the right. That would appear to be an intentional turn.

How can you tell that it is NOT the intentional turn that JBC said he made after the first shot and before he felt the bullet strike his back?

Because of the copious amounts examples I've given, leading up to the post you are responding to, highlighting a multitude of reactions/movements indicating JBC is shot at this point. The radical nature of this turn, within less than a second of sitting upright, is just another supporting piece of evidence that JBC is reacting to being shot.

You would like to take this single example out of context and treat it as if it's an isolated incident but it's not.

Connally's various interviews, reports and testimonies concerning the assassination are full of contradictions and his account changes over time. More importantly, a lot of his statements are refuted by the Z-film. Take his WC testimony for example, he states he heard what he thought was a shot, turned to his right and as he was turning to his left was shot. Immediately when he was shot he 'said' "Oh, no, no, no" (Jackie Kennedy describes him yelling or screaming. In one interview she says he "screamed like a stuck pig).
In the Z-film he turns briefly to his left (z160's) then back to his right (at no point does he attempt to look over his right shoulder as he states in his testimony). As we've seen in my previous posts, he stays in this position as he passes behind the Stemmons sign and is still in the same position - looking to his right - as he emerges from behind the sign.
At no point does he attempt to turn to his left as he states in his WC testimony. He is shot and then appears to cry out "Oh, no, no, no":





It is interesting to note that JBC states:

"I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit.
So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap."

This is the right turn we see after JBC has been shot. The phrase "doubled up" describes the posture we see in z240:



Immediately after this JBC states:

"I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap."

This is what we see in the Z-film

[Andrew Mason]

Because of the copious amounts examples I've given, leading up to the post you are responding to, highlighting a multitude of reactions/movements indicating JBC is shot at this point. The radical nature of this turn, within less than a second of sitting upright, is just another supporting piece of evidence that JBC is reacting to being shot.

Oh, I see. Hearing a rifle shot and being consumed with worry that his guest behind him, the President, was being assassinated would not result in such a flurry of movement. Ok. So where do you see JBC turning around to see JFK after the first shot that he was sure did not hit him?

You would like to take this single example out of context and treat it as if it's an isolated incident but it's not.

How is 'trying to interpret what is happening the zfilm by examining what witnesses recalled happening' taking things out of context?

Connally's various interviews, reports and testimonies concerning the assassination are full of contradictions and his account changes over time. More importantly, a lot of his statements are refuted by the Z-film. Take his WC testimony for example, he states he heard what he thought was a shot, turned to his right and as he was turning to his left was shot. Immediately when he was shot he 'said' "Oh, no, no, no" (Jackie Kennedy describes him yelling or screaming. In one interview she says he "screamed like a stuck pig).
In the Z-film he turns briefly to his left (z160's) then back to his right (at no point does he attempt to look over his right shoulder as he states in his testimony).

You can't see from z240 to z270 JBC straining to see JFK over his right shoulder?

As we've seen in my previous posts, he stays in this position as he passes behind the Stemmons sign and is still in the same position - looking to his right - as he emerges from behind the sign.
At no point does he attempt to turn to his left as he states in his WC testimony. He is shot and then appears to cry out "Oh, no, no, no":

He expressed uncertainty about when he said oh no, no, no. Nellie consistently said he uttered it before he was hit on the second

It is interesting to note that JBC states:

"I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit.
So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again

It looks to me that he could be referring to what is seen after z271.

Immediately after this JBC states:

"I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap."

This is what we see in the Z-film

So why did he think he was not hit in the back on the first shot?

[Dan O'meara]

Oh, I see. Hearing a rifle shot and being consumed with worry that his guest behind him, the President, was being assassinated would not result in such a flurry of movement.

No it wouldn't.
The bizarre thing about what you're suggesting is that in your model the first shot that Connally is supposed to be responding to is over one and a half seconds before he suddenly explodes in a 'flurry of concern'!

Ok. So where do you see JBC turning around to see JFK after the first shot that he was sure did not hit him?

In the Z-film JBC doesn't turn round to see JFK until after he is shot.

How is 'trying to interpret what is happening the zfilm by examining what witnesses recalled happening' taking things out of context?

I made it clear in my post that the Gif showing the extreme change in JBC's body posture (in less than a second!) is just one piece of a collection of inter-related and interlocking reactions and movements all occurring at the same time.
This is the context you are taking it out of.

You can't see from z240 to z270 JBC straining to see JFK over his right shoulder?

Of course I can. It even appears to me that he is staring straight at JFK. Something he fails to mention in his statements.

He expressed uncertainty about when he said oh no, no, no.

"...immediately, when I was hit, I said, "Oh, no, no, no." And then I said, "My God, they are going to kill us all." Nellie, when she pulled me over into her lap..."

I'm not really seeing this uncertainty you're talking about.
He's hit
Immediately calls out "Oh, no, no, no"
Says "My God, they're going to kill us all"
Is pulled into Nellie's lap

Nellie consistently said he uttered it before he was hit on the second

The possibility exists Nellie is mistaken

It looks to me that he could be referring to what is seen after z271.

I'd need you to explain this more clearly.
Maybe throw in an image or two to clarify

So why did he think he was not hit in the back on the first shot?

Don't know

[Jack Nessan]

No it wouldn't.
The bizarre thing about what you're suggesting is that in your model the first shot that Connally is supposed to be responding to is over one and a half seconds before he suddenly explodes in a 'flurry of concern'!

In the Z-film JBC doesn't turn round to see JFK until after he is shot.

I made it clear in my post that the Gif showing the extreme change in JBC's body posture (in less than a second!) is just one piece of a collection of inter-related and interlocking reactions and movements all occurring at the same time.
This is the context you are taking it out of.

Of course I can. It even appears to me that he is staring straight at JFK. Something he fails to mention in his statements.

"...immediately, when I was hit, I said, "Oh, no, no, no." And then I said, "My God, they are going to kill us all." Nellie, when she pulled me over into her lap..."

I'm not really seeing this uncertainty you're talking about.
He's hit
Immediately calls out "Oh, no, no, no"
Says "My God, they're going to kill us all"
Is pulled into Nellie's lap

The possibility exists Nellie is mistaken

I'd need you to explain this more clearly.
Maybe throw in an image or two to clarify

Don't know

Jackie also references JBC crying out "Oh No No No" as having taken place after the first shot.