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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1216 on: March 04, 2025, 08:27:45 PM »
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That’s a MAJOR error if that’s where Knuts lab has the bullet exiting the left side of JFKs chest.

That’s a long list of ear witness that Dan posted that supports the 1st shot heard at Z224 but how many ear witness heard the 3rd shot AFTER the head shot at Z313?

If only a very small minority thats not significant enough to warrant conclusion that a 3rd shot was fired 2 secs after Z313, then all 3 shots must have been fired in about 4.8 secs.
 
There is ONE CBS time trial shooter who managed 3 hits in 5.1 secs according to the camera recording of him. I do not recall anyone ever having  interviewed this guy and there was never any other time he was asked to repeat this performance. There was no camera zoomed in on the target to verify the shots hitting as the man fired the rifle so it’s a little bit suspicious imo, especially since no other person has ever replicated this 5.1 sec time when using an MC rifle and trying to hit a moving human size / shape target at that range from 75- 100 yds approx.

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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1217 on: March 06, 2025, 11:28:51 PM »
That’s a MAJOR error if that’s where Knuts lab has the bullet exiting the left side of JFKs chest.

That’s a long list of ear witness that Dan posted that supports the 1st shot heard at Z224 but how many ear witness heard the 3rd shot AFTER the head shot at Z313?

If only a very small minority thats not significant enough to warrant conclusion that a 3rd shot was fired 2 secs after Z313, then all 3 shots must have been fired in about 4.8 secs.
 
There is ONE CBS time trial shooter who managed 3 hits in 5.1 secs according to the camera recording of him. I do not recall anyone ever having  interviewed this guy and there was never any other time he was asked to repeat this performance. There was no camera zoomed in on the target to verify the shots hitting as the man fired the rifle so it’s a little bit suspicious imo, especially since no other person has ever replicated this 5.1 sec time when using an MC rifle and trying to hit a moving human size / shape target at that range from 75- 100 yds approx.

Many witnesses described a specific pattern to the shots - shot, pause for a few seconds, then two shots close together.
If this scenario is accurate then it is clear that the head shot was one of the two shots that were close together. I find it more likely that the head shot was the first of these two close shots.
The first shot, at z222/z223, is the shot that passes through JFK's throat, causing his hands to fly towards his throat.
There is a pause while the shooter acquires his target again.
The second shot is the head shot, followed closely by the third, missed shot.
This third shot seems hurried and unnecessary but I find it difficult to believe the shooter missed with the second shot then followed up really quickly with a perfect head shot.


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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1218 on: March 07, 2025, 01:25:00 AM »
Just a quick thought about those who believe that there was an early missed shot and that Oswald was stood up for this first shot.
I came across the picture below of people visiting the 6th floor of the old TSBD building.



It seems pretty obvious that if Oswald was stood up there is no way he could have fired through a window that was half closed (and why wouldn't he have it fully open if he was stood up while firing).
I drew a red line across the window to represent the bottom edge of the half-closed window (the half-closed window in the southeast corner can be seen in the background).
When I imagine the man with his hands behind his back holding a rifle and pointing it so it could shoot through the bottom portion of the window, it looks to me as if he'd be shooting the window sill. It doesn't appear that there is any angle to be firing into the street.
Thoughts?

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1219 on: March 07, 2025, 09:45:52 PM »
The angle for Oswald's first shot of his 2 shots is easy.
Make a line starting at the collar where the 2 guy rods support the overhead signal arm.
Extend that line upwards to the open window.
If u extend that line downwards to jfk it will pass throo jfk at about pseudo Z105.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1220 on: March 08, 2025, 01:23:34 AM »
If the shooter is sitting in the box by the pipes which Charles has shown is plausible it really does not make much sense the shooter standing up intentionally trying to shoot an
 aimed shot as early as Z130 or Z140.

If the premise is that boxes were arranged as they were to be a firing platform then the shooter was going to simply lean over once the limo has passed by and to start shooting from this platform.

So the only other option is for a missed 1st shot that precedes Z224  is  the shooter inadvertently squeezing the trigger AS he leaned over from the box he was sitting on, and that the rifle angle was not aimed at the limo.

As much as I agree that scenario is  plausible it’s not probable imo. A 1st shot at Z130-Z140 to give the necessary gap longer between 1st and 2nd shot fitting the pattern of 1…2..3 would lengthen the Total time for completion of all 3 shots in 9-10 secs which is WAY longer than Harold Norman heard, and the smaller gap between 2nd and 3rd shots being 4.8 secs which is WAY longer than “back to back”. 

I don’t disagree with Dans idea that the 2nd shot could be 313 , and that the shooter in his crazed mind being “exuberant” that he had scored head shot fired one more shot rapidly without aiming ( thus possibly only 1.5 sec later if using the MC rifle)

It’s just that there are so few witness recalling any shot after Z313.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1221 on: March 09, 2025, 12:30:30 PM »
If the shooter is sitting in the box by the pipes which Charles has shown is plausible it really does not make much sense the shooter standing up intentionally trying to shoot an
 aimed shot as early as Z130 or Z140.

If the premise is that boxes were arranged as they were to be a firing platform then the shooter was going to simply lean over once the limo has passed by and to start shooting from this platform.

So the only other option is for a missed 1st shot that precedes Z224  is  the shooter inadvertently squeezing the trigger AS he leaned over from the box he was sitting on, and that the rifle angle was not aimed at the limo.

As much as I agree that scenario is  plausible it’s not probable imo. A 1st shot at Z130-Z140 to give the necessary gap longer between 1st and 2nd shot fitting the pattern of 1…2..3 would lengthen the Total time for completion of all 3 shots in 9-10 secs which is WAY longer than Harold Norman heard, and the smaller gap between 2nd and 3rd shots being 4.8 secs which is WAY longer than “back to back”. 

I don’t disagree with Dans idea that the 2nd shot could be 313 , and that the shooter in his crazed mind being “exuberant” that he had scored head shot fired one more shot rapidly without aiming ( thus possibly only 1.5 sec later if using the MC rifle)

It’s just that there are so few witness recalling any shot after Z313.

If the premise is that boxes were arranged as they were to be a firing platform then the shooter was going to simply lean over once the limo has passed by and to start shooting from this platform.

This simple and common sense point is somehow overlooked by those trying to push a ridiculously early shot.
The Sniper's Perch is the arrangement of boxes supposedly used by the shooter to rest his rifle on during the shooting.
This means the boxes were arranged BEFORE the shooting.
This means the shooter had already planned out what he was going to do BEFORE the motorcade arrived.
The arrangement of boxes tell us the shooter had decided that the 'kill zone' was going to be towards the triple underpass.



This is confirmed by the testimony of Ronald Fischer.
Fischer and his work colleague, Bob Edwards, were stood directly across from the TSBD building on Elm Street waiting for the motorcade. Edwards noticed a man on the 6th floor who seemed to be in a cramped, uncomfortable position, he pointed the man out to Fischer and made a joke about him. Something about the man made an impression on Fischer:

"And I looked up and I watched the man for, oh, I'd say, 10 or 15 seconds. It was until the first car came around the corner of Houston and Main. And, then, when that car did come around the corner, I took my attention off of the man in the window and started watching the parade. The man held my attention for 10 or 15 seconds, because he appeared uncomfortable for one, and, secondly, he wasn't watching-uh---he didn't look like he was watching for the parade. He looked like he was looking down toward the Trinity River and the triple underpass down at the end-toward the end of Ell Street. And--uh--all the time I watched him, he never moved his head, he never-he never moved anything. Just was there transfixed."

This is pretty much what the shooter was staring "transfixed" at:



The shooter knew exactly what he was going to do before the motorcade entered Dealey Plaza.
The area circled in the pic above is where the limo is moving almost directly away from his position. There would have been minimal lateral movement of the target.
He would have been aware of the oak tree and would have taken his first shot once the limo had moved into the open space as shown above. Once the limo had cleared the oak tree he would have had more than enough time to get multiple shots off while the target was in the 'kill zone'.
The idea that he was on his feet trying to shoot through an impossible gap in the half-closed window in an area where he had nowhere to stand is plain stupid.
He knew when he was going to take the first shot before the motorcade reached Dealey Plaza.
That he was going to wait until the limo was in the kill zone circled above is yet even more evidence that the first shot was taken at z222/z223.
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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1221 on: March 09, 2025, 12:30:30 PM »