The Nix Illusion

[Dan O'meara]

Ginsburg wasn't a moderate; she was a noted ACLU lawyer known for her openly liberal views. There was hardly any objection to her nomination - she was confirmed 95-3 - and I don't recall any efforts by conservative to run anti-Ginsburg ads or accuse her of all sorts of corruption. Scalia, a noted conservative, was confirmed by a 98-0 vote.

Eisenhower nominated - actually recess appointed him since the Senate was not in session - William Brennan to an open seat two weeks before the election. Brennan was a Catholic and Eisenhower was hoping to get some Catholic votes in the election by doing so.

Graham is 100% correct. There was a time when both sides compromised and reached agreement on these matters. But those are long gone and it's why we see the two sides running campaign type ads and commercials against candidates. If Barrett had been nominated to replace Kennedy she would have picked up, at best, a handful of Democrats. The days of the 92-0 votes are dead.

Without wanting to speak on his behalf I think the important point Jerry was making was in the phrase:

"...showing there was a time when opposing sides could compromise"

Something we could do with a little bit more of.

[Dan O'meara]

I stand corrected re your diagonal thing

Zapruder


Nix

You need to watch out Bill.
You're coming across like someone who considers things carefully and has a certain intellectual flexibility.
Where would we be if that kind of sh%t caught on. 

[Walt Cakebread]

The same goes for you Walt. Were you one of the researchers who bought into the illusion and what are you basing your opinion on about the position of Jackie's head?

Jackie's hips are above the rear wheels and her head is near the back of the deck lid.......I have no dog in this hunt ..... But it is a fact that the two frames do not match....   and it isn't just an illusion created by different points of view.

[John Tonkovich]

I know Joe. It took me about 10 seconds to work out what was going on and I couldn't believe it was seriously be entertained by some as 'proof of tampering'. I've read other stuff by Cranor and was quite impressed with how she approached things but it is a big disappointment that someone of her obvious intelligence couldn't see it.
It would be interesting to hear from someone who does accept this as 'proof of tampering' but I doubt that will happen.

Mr O: can you provide the frame in Zapruder where Jackie is at the greatest distance from the rear seat/JFK, and farthest out on the trunk?
Thx.
( I have my own answer, already, but will withhold at the moment.)

[Dan O'meara]

Jackie's hips are above the rear wheels and her head is near the back of the deck lid.......I have no dog in this hunt ..... But it is a fact that the two frames do not match....   and it isn't just an illusion created by different points of view.

It isn't a fact, Walt.
It's your eyes playing tricks on you.
Do you believe Zapruder has been altered?

[Dan O'meara]

Mr O: can you provide the frame in Zapruder where Jackie is at the greatest distance from the rear seat/JFK, and farthest out on the trunk?
Thx.
( I have my own answer, already, but will withhold at the moment.)

My guess, just from eyeballing it, would be about z380.
By the way John, aren't you happy I've sorted out your confusion for you. It was kind of on your suggestion I looked into this.
You must be so happy I've cleared things up for you. 

[John Tonkovich]

My guess, just from eyeballing it, would be about z380.
By the way John, aren't you happy I've sorted out your confusion for you. It was kind of on your suggestion I looked into this.
You must be so happy I've cleared things up for you. 

At Z380 - your choice - Jackie's hand is about 18" to 2' away from the continental kit on the rear bumper, sprawled in the middle of the trunk. Clint, obviously, is at the left rear bumper, behind and to his left of her. Her head, and Clint Hill's head are about 2' to 3' apart. Now Zapruder is also not, at this point, perpendicular to the limo. Your alleged optical illusion in Nix should then work, in reverse, with Jackie, in the foreground, overlapping Clint Hill, in the background. This effect is not visible in Z380, or any other frames.

[Joe Elliott]

At Z380 - your choice - Jackie's hand is about 18" to 2' away from the continental kit on the rear bumper, sprawled in the middle of the trunk. Clint, obviously, is at the left rear bumper, behind and to his left of her. Her head, and Clint Hill's head are about 2' to 3' apart. Now Zapruder is also not, at this point, perpendicular to the limo. Your alleged optical illusion in Nix should then work, in reverse, with Jackie, in the foreground, overlapping Clint Hill, in the background. This effect is not visible in Z380, or any other frames.

No. Seen from behind and from the left (Nix view), they seem to overlap. Seen from behind and from the right (Zapruder view) we see the true separation.

Try looking at a couple of salt shakers, which represent the heads, a few inches apart and at a 45-degree angle between them. The one on the left, closer to you by about 3 inches. From the left and behind, they almost overlap. From the right and behind, they are widely separated.


By the way, I place it at z-375:



At z-375, Clint Hill is just the perfect distance from the standing man that is directly above him. Not z-374. Not z-376. It’s z-375.