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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: The Nix Illusion
« Reply #48 on: October 20, 2020, 03:35:48 AM »
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This version of the Z-film by Kiwi Ant Davison shows the limo slowing down to almost walking pace just before the headshot, then speeding away:


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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: The Nix Illusion
« Reply #49 on: October 20, 2020, 04:56:40 AM »

But can you tell me why removing a frame from the Zapruder film would not work?

Seems to have worked just fine.



Lets say the limo slowed to 2 mph. The Z film has it slowing to 8 mph. To make the limo appear to go 8 mph they would need to remove 3 out of every 4 frames. That would mean through that part of the film the people in the limo and Miss Foster would all speed up x4. By around frame 350 they may have been doing 4mph so they would need to take out every other frame at that point. So we would see Malcom Summers thrust himself to the ground at twice the natural speed.
 This would have been a complicated process using matte shots for the background and for the occupants of the limo to keep their action from doubling and maybe quadrupling in speed which would be obvious compared to their movement prior to and after the limo stop.
 The only alteration that would have been fairly straight forward would have been masking the hole in the back of the head and the debris that came from it. People claim that they would have had to do that on the tiny 8mm film itself but that is not true.  The 8 mm film strip is magnified 60 times when projected onto a screen at 3 feet wide so you have room to work without causing it to look all blurry. So you photograph a frame in 50mm then edit the actual photograph and then re film it through the original camera one frame at a time. That would allow the film to show the 8mm film grain it should have.


Both John and Chris do not understand that simply removing frames won’t work. Why? Not so much because it would show impossible speeds but because it would show impossible accelerations.

As it turns out, by a coincidence, if the limousine is moving “x” mph, it will advance “x” inches with each Zapruder frame. So, at 8 mph, it will advance 8 inches with each Zapruder frame.

Let’s say the original film showed the limousine moving at 8 mph. The limousine advanced



firstsecondthirdfourth
distance:8 inches8 inches8 inches8 inches
average speed:8 mph8 mph8 mph8 mph

So, we now decide to simply snip out the second frame, giving us the following:

firstsecondthird
distance:8 inches16 inches8 inches
average speed:8 mph16 mph8 mph

So, it looks like the limousine was going 8 mph, it suddenly advanced 16 inches, indicating a speed of 16 mph, then resumed it’s 8 mph. What’s the problem? The problem is the limousine was going at a steady 8 mph, then suddenly accelerated to 16 mph. To do this it would have to accelerate to 24 mph, then decelerate to 8 mph, all within 55 milliseconds, to end up with an average speed of 16 mph.

Can real world automobiles do this? No. Not even close. Typically, an automobile can perhaps accelerate or decelerate at half a G. At half a G, the automobile can gain or loss 11 mph in one second. So, it can go, with maximum braking, from 55 mph to 0 mph in 5 seconds. Maximum acceleration rates are generally not quite as good so a large heavy limousine would have difficulty going from 0 mph to 55 mph in 5 seconds.

So, if the limousine was going a steady 8 mph, and started accelerating as fast as it could, the sort of acceleration needed to go from 0 mph to 45 mph in 5 seconds, it would look like this:

distance:8.0 inches8.5 inches9.0 inches9.5 inches10.0 inches10.5 inches11.0 inches11.5 inches
average speed:8.0 mph8.5 mph9.0 mph9.5 mph10.0 mph10.5 mph11.0 mph11.5 mph

It would take about 16 Zapruder frames, almost a second, for the limousine to accelerate from 8 mph to 16 mph.

So, removing a frame would give the appearance of impossible acceleration. Removing 3 frames in a row, as Chris was suggesting, makes the problem much worse.



Now, there is one way around this. Don’t remove a frame here or there, but do so in a systematic fashion. Remove every other frame in the entire Zapruder film. So instead of the limousine appearing to vary speeds between 4 mph to 18 mph, it would appear to vary between 8 mph to 36 mph. And this would also make Clint Hill’s top running speed of 8 mph appear to be 16 mph. I don’t think anyone really goes along with this removing every other frame theory. But it is the only possibility that remotely works.

If only every fourth frame was kept, something like Chris suggested, everyone seen jogging into position to see the limousine would appear to move with the ludicrous speed of a Keystone Cop.

Essentially, to modify the Zapruder film, in a way that can avoid obvious tampering, is for every frame that is removed, a new frame must be inserted. This can either be a totally new frame, or a modification of the old frame. One cannot simply remove a frame. Nor insert a totally new frame.


But what surprises me, with the Zapruder Alteration theory going on for 25 years now, is how common it is for people to suggest how simple modifying the Zapruder film would be, to just remove a frame here or there. It does not seem to occur to anyone that this would not result in impossible speeds, but would result in impossible accelerations. All a person would need to prove the Zapruder film was altered is to spot a sudden “jump” forward by the limousine whenever a frame is removed.

Question:

How is it, that after 25 years, Zapruder Alteration Theorists have not figured this out on their own by now?


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Re: The Nix Illusion
« Reply #50 on: October 20, 2020, 05:06:53 AM »

This version of the Z-film by Kiwi Ant Davison shows the limo slowing down to almost walking pace just before the headshot, then speeding away:

In reality, the Zapruder film shows:

a 133 – z 265:  limousine gradually accelerate from 10 mph to 13 mph
a 265 – z 305: limousine decelerate from 13 mph to 8 mph
a 305 – z 345: limousine holds a stead 8 mph
z 345 – z 375: limousine accelerates from 8 mph to 25 mph, and then onto 35 mph afterwards

It appears the slowing down of the limousine was the result of the driver trying to figure out what, if anything, was going on when Governor Connally started yelling, a mistake on the driver’s part. He shouldn’t be looking around trying to figure out what is going on. Instead he should assume something bad is going on and accelerate. If it later turns out nothing much was happening, no great harm is done. The long pause after z312 seems surprising, but that is really about as fast as a human can react to the head explosion, move his foot to the accelerator and for the limousine to respond. Both humans, and automobiles, take time to respond. It took just under two seconds for the limousine to start accelerating, which is to be expected.

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Re: The Nix Illusion
« Reply #51 on: October 20, 2020, 09:12:08 AM »
Ok if you want to speed the limo up from 2mph to 8 mph you don't do it all at once. Lets say the limo slows from 10 to 8mph so you cut out one frame for every 5 adding 20% to the speed  which keeps the limo going 10 mph. When the limo gets down to 6 mph you take out 2 frames for every 5 frames and the limo continues to go 10mph. When the limo starts to accelerate you take out less and less frames. So the acceleration and deceleration will not create "impossible speeds". There is still a problem if the limo comes to a complete stop because all those frames except one would have to be removed. A one second stop would create a one second jump ahead for the people in the limo and on the grass. Also if it stops to fast you might not have enough frames to work with

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Re: The Nix Illusion
« Reply #52 on: October 20, 2020, 06:14:21 PM »
The limo certainly slowed down in the region of Z330.   If you follow the white marker in the grass, you can see the marker slow down when SS agent jumps on car.   It hangs in the cogs for a long time!  Also, I want to see someone catch a car at 8 mph and jump on.  You have to be a super athlete!   Even Jean Hill in her first interview said the car momentarily halted.   If it didn't halt, it came to a very slow pace to allow the SS agent to leave the perch on the car behind and run up and jump on.   Can you dispute that?  The film should be called the Zapruder Illusion as you see evidence of cleverly hidden cut and paste lines.  If frames are all there, they have been modified to paint a particular picture and obscure identities and support the LNer narrative.  In 3 frames, SS agent is even with the policeman on the bike!  So he moved 3 ft conservatively in 3 frames.   A car speed constant at 8 mph speed and a film speed of 16 fps, we get the SS agent speed of 16 feet/s (11 mph!) Sure!!!!

Again, no idea how advanced editing techniques were in the day but I am sure they were quite remarkable and that they edited the film in such a short time is truly amazing.  Again no one wants to comment on frame Z337 and their sloppy editing.  So I will present another.  They were masters at using the light and cutting film at just the right interface between sunlight and darkness.  Besides that, the image from the camera is way more blurry on one side of the cut than the other on Z334.  We get better focus in the cogs or generally on the left hand side of the image!    I guess I am the only one that can see that.  The SS agent in the cogs is not affected by camera jiggle!!   



I would like to see someone use photo recognition software and compare the one morgue slab picture of the president in Wikipedia with  a regular photo to see if they could actually get a match.  I think it is ridiculous to have the President's head missing on the Zapruder Film (front blown off) and then see a picture of him laying on the table with eyes wide open (uhuh) and stating they used an existing wound to do a tracheotomy.  Can you imagine the risk of a side tracheotomy with veins and arteries (jugular and otherwise) and associated nerve damage to bore a hole into the windpipe from the side?  Give me a break!

How some people can get off on saying that there is a "bone" laying in the spot where the ear is on the photo is incredible.  No evidence of an ear shaped bone with scalp folded over in Ida Dox's drawings!   Why is everyone avoiding the reality of what you can obviously see below in these frame which compare nice to each other if it was left unedited - I haven't a clue!  Ear is present in both photos but one has photoshopping!  Even suit jacket/collar ruffle matches!





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Re: The Nix Illusion
« Reply #53 on: October 20, 2020, 06:39:47 PM »
Lets say the limo slowed to 2 mph. The Z film has it slowing to 8 mph. To make the limo appear to go 8 mph they would need to remove 3 out of every 4 frames. That would mean through that part of the film the people in the limo and Miss Foster would all speed up x4. By around frame 350 they may have been doing 4mph so they would need to take out every other frame at that point. So we would see Malcom Summers thrust himself to the ground at twice the natural speed.
 This would have been a complicated process using matte shots for the background and for the occupants of the limo to keep their action from doubling and maybe quadrupling in speed which would be obvious compared to their movement prior to and after the limo stop.
 The only alteration that would have been fairly straight forward would have been masking the hole in the back of the head and the debris that came from it. People claim that they would have had to do that on the tiny 8mm film itself but that is not true.  The 8 mm film strip is magnified 60 times when projected onto a screen at 3 feet wide so you have room to work without causing it to look all blurry. So you photograph a frame in 50mm then edit the actual photograph and then re film it through the original camera one frame at a time. That would allow the film to show the 8mm film grain it should have.
"Let's say the limo slowed to 2 mph."
Why 2 mph?
" Let's ". Let us. Who is this "us "? The royal "we"?
The Nix film differs greatly from the Zapruder film.
Why?
Look at the Zapruder frames I referenced. Clint Hill sure moves a lot in 1/18th of a second.

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Re: The Nix Illusion
« Reply #54 on: October 20, 2020, 07:00:38 PM »
The limo certainly slowed down in the region of Z330.   If you follow the white marker in the grass, you can see the marker slow down when SS agent jumps on car.   It hangs in the cogs for a long time!  Also, I want to see someone catch a car at 8 mph and jump on.  You have to be a super athlete!   Even Jean Hill in her first interview said the car momentarily halted.   If it didn't halt, it came to a very slow pace to allow the SS agent to leave the perch on the car behind and run up and jump on.   Can you dispute that?  The film should be called the Zapruder Illusion as you see evidence of cleverly hidden cut and paste lines.  If frames are all there, they have been modified to paint a particular picture and obscure identities and support the LNer narrative.  In 3 frames, SS agent is even with the policeman on the bike!  So he moved 2 ft conservatively in 3 frames.   A car speed constant at 8 mph speed and a film speed of 16 fps, we get the SS agent speed of 16 feet/s (11 mph!) Sure!!!!

Again, no idea how advanced editing techniques were in the day but I am sure they were quite remarkable and that they edited the film in such a short time is truly amazing.  Again no one wants to comment on frame Z337 and their sloppy editing.  So I will present another.  They were masters at using the light and cutting film at just the right interface between sunlight and darkness.  Besides that, the image from the camera is way more blurry on one side of the cut than the other on Z334.  We get better focus in the cogs or generally on the left hand side of the image!    I guess I am the only one that can see that.  The SS agent in the cogs is not affected by camera jiggle!!   



I would like to see someone use photo recognition software and compare the one morgue slab picture of the president in Wikipedia with  a regular photo to see if they could actually get a match.  I think it is ridiculous to have the President's head missing on the Zapruder Film (front blown off) and then see a picture of him laying on the table with eyes wide open (uhuh) and stating they used an existing wound to do a tracheotomy.  Can you imagine the risk of a side tracheotomy with veins and arteries (jugular and otherwise) and associated nerve damage to bore a hole into the windpipe from the side?  Give me a break!

How some people can get off on saying that there is a "bone" laying in the spot where the ear is on the photo is incredible.  No evidence of an ear shaped bone with scalp folded over in Ida Dox's drawings!   Why is everyone avoiding the reality of what you can obviously see below in these frame which compare nice to each other if it was left unedited - I haven't a clue!  Ear is present in both photos but one has photoshopping!  Even suit jacket/collar ruffle matches!





Allan, the problem with responding to one of your posts is that there is way too much in them - tracheotomies, Ida Dox drawings, ear-shaped bones etc. etc.
One point I do agree on is the speed of the limo when it slows down. Where people are getting 8mph from I don't know but in the version of the Z-film I posted above the limo slows down to almost walking pace just before the headshot and Clint Hill comes crashing into the back of it.
Where you get the idea JFK's face is blown off I don't know.
As for why Hill is in focus in z234 and others are out of focus it's pretty straight-forward. The bikes are moving at a different speed than the limo, Hill is moving at a different speed than the bikes and the limo, it's just that he is moving at the same relative speed to the 'pan' of the camera. If everything was moving at the same speed they would be equally in/out of focus.

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Re: The Nix Illusion
« Reply #55 on: October 20, 2020, 07:27:50 PM »
I am of the firm belief that the Zapruder film is unaltered, certainly in any meaningful way. One apparent 'proof' of alteration are the so-called inconsistencies between the Zapruder and Nix films. This is dealt with in the following article by Millicent Cranor at the Who.What.Why website https://whowhatwhy.org/2018/07/12/jfk-assassination-film-proof-of-tampering/

The inconsistency in question revolves around the following frames:



In the Zapruder frame above there appears to be a sizeable gap between Jackie Kennedy and Clint Hill. In the Nix frame below their heads are more or less touching. How could this possibly be?



The only mystery here is how this easily explained 'illusion' ever gained any traction. It is caused by Jackie leaning diagonally across the trunk. I tried to write down what was happening but found it easier to make my own vid. The upturned baking tray represents the trunk of the limo, the spoon represents Jackie, the lighter represents Clint Hill (the point of this video is just to show the 'illusion').
It starts off with an overview then moves to the left (Nix position) where we see the spoon appears to be touching the lighter. It then moves to the right (Zapruder position) where it reveals a sizeable gap between the two items:



That the Nix and Zapruder films are perfectly synchronised is ably demonstrated in this following Gif



The original Ant Davison clip:
Just a reminder: your angle is about 45 degrees.
Nix, at most, is 20 degrees, or less.
The "illusion" is yours.

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