The Nix Illusion

[Allan Fritzke]

So would you agree the head shot came in about Z330 when you can see the white marker in the grass appear to slow down in the frames?    My point about focus is that a lot of people attribute "out of focus" to camera jitter/shock.  I can see your point about pan speed vs. movementand that it is in play.  I will try to "slow down" my arguments!

[Dan O'meara]

So would you agree the head shot came in about Z330 when you can see the white marker in the grass appear to slow down in the frames?    My point about focus is that a lot of people attribute "out of focus" to camera jitter/shock.  I can see your point about pan speed vs. movementand that it is in play.  I will try to "slow down" my arguments!

JFK's head definitely explodes at z313 when the white blur on the grass comes into view (not z330).
As I've said, in the version of the Z-film I posted the limo really slows down to what looks not much more than walking pace. At that precise moment JFK is shot in the head. The car was being driven by an expert driver who put his foot on the brakes. It was a deliberate act. Whether it was to make the headshot easier is impossible to say but I understand why people would look at it that way.

[Chris Bristow]

I said 2mph as a general example because it was an even number which was easier to divide from 8 mph. But thje basic point is valid. you can take out frames and keep the limo speed consistent. If you didn't have an even number the the edit would be slightly off.

To Allen, The piece of skull flap I mentioned is part of the 'official' record. There are drawings and photographs of it from the autopsy. I am not saying there really was a flap, I am saying the flap they claim is,I think, visible in the Z frame. If it is fake it is fake and the one we see in the Z film was added. But either that bright spot is supposed to be it.

[Chris Bristow]

This is an interesting clip of Hargis claiming the "limo slowed down almost to a stop". He prefaces his statement by saying "This is not for the public but that car came almost to a stop". So the question it raises is why does he need to say is not for the public when the Z film had been public for years. I can only think that it is because his version contradicts what we see in the Z film. If he agreed with the Z film he would have no reason to want to keep his opinion from public view.
He does assume he slowed to let Hill onboard which is fine but 8mph is not almost a stop. The whole point is why he did not want to let that statement out to the public if he agreed with the Z film.

[Dan O'meara]

Just a reminder: your angle is about 45 degrees.
Nix, at most, is 20 degrees, or less.
The "illusion" is yours.

 
Are you talking about the angle of the spoon on the tray?
Where, exactly are you getting "20 degrees, or less" from?
Are you just making that up?
If you are talking about the spoon on the tray at least you've now realised Jackie is reaching diagonally across the trunk. You're almost there 

[Dan O'meara]

This is an interesting clip of Hargis claiming the "limo slowed down almost to a stop". He prefaces his statement by saying "This is not for the public but that car came almost to a stop". So the question it raises is why does he need to say is not for the public when the Z film had been public for years. I can only think that it is because his version contradicts what we see in the Z film. If he agreed with the Z film he would have no reason to want to keep his opinion from public view.
He does assume he slowed to let Hill onboard which is fine but 8mph is not almost a stop. The whole point is why he did not want to let that statement out to the public if he agreed with the Z film.

Where is the figure of 8mph coming from?

[Denis Pointing]

JFK's head definitely explodes at z313 when the white blur on the grass comes into view (not z330).
As I've said, in the version of the Z-film I posted the limo really slows down to what looks not much more than walking pace. At that precise moment JFK is shot in the head. The car was being driven by an expert driver who put his foot on the brakes. It was a deliberate act. Whether it was to make the headshot easier is impossible to say but I understand why people would look at it that way.

A "deliberate act" or a reflex reaction by a driver startled and glancing behind to see what was happening? I would argue the latter.
Good thread BTW.

[Dan O'meara]

A "deliberate act" or a reflex reaction by a driver startled and glancing behind to see what was happening? I would argue the latter.
Good thread BTW.

It can be argued either way Denis, it's just my opinion based on him being a trained driver (I assume). Why not hit the gas as a reflex? By the same token, it must have been quite an extreme situation. The result is the same, slowing down to almost walking pace at the same time JFK is hit in the head.
It should also be noted that the driver had already looked round once, continued to decelerate then looked round again before deciding to floor it. Why the second glance?
It's hard to judge as everything happens so quickly.