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Re: Jim Garrison Names The Grassy Knoll Gunman!
« Reply #112 on: May 01, 2021, 11:22:50 PM »
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Thanks for the information Tom.

W. Tracy, you're a facts oriented researcher and writer. Isn't there any possibility at all that the common purpose of the WC and the Garrison Investigation was to protect a certain class of people, including Jack and Jackie, from embarrassment? John McCloy and Dulles protected Jackie personally and JFK's memory and legacy, coincidental to the people they were primarily concerned with protecting, the extended Rockefeller family and the diplomatic corps - CIA and "its" sources, methods, policy.

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/19431-jfk-jackie-were-they-who-their-friends-were-which-friends-expressed-dissatisfaction-over-lone-nut-assassin/

The beauty of it is, if Fred could consider this well supported alternative, he could maintain his adversarial relationship with DiEugenio while moving a lot closer to what explains who Jackie, JFK, and yes, Garrison, really were!

Example : Supported in my thread linked above, McCloy's best man was Henry C. Brunie, president of Empire Trust. They lived next door to each other in Greenwich after Brunie married tennis star Anna Fuller, recently divorced from former Harvard football team captain, Charles Hubbard. Anna Fuller Hubbard Brunie's son, Charles Hubbard was in the wedding party made up of the Mossadegh coup "operatives". Jack and Jackie couldn't attend that wedding of Jackie's former classmate, Sylvia Whitehouse due to the date being in the proximity of the full term of Jackie's pregnancy.

Jackie's best friend, Leigh Hunt, married a cousin of David KA Bruce, chief of OSS, London. The couple was hosted at a pre-wedding dinner that included Jackie and other members of Leigh Hunt's wedding party by this woman and her brother, Iredell Iglehart:

"Mr. Iredell W. Iglehart was best man.."

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Two Brides Entertained
‎The Sun - Feb 11, 1951
Miss Anne Calhoun Iglehart and her brother, Mr. Iredell W. Iglehart, will give a party ... It will be
In honor of Miss Jessie Leigh Hunt and her fiance, Mr. Albert....

The woman who hosted Jackie and Leigh Hunt in 1951, later had a daughter, Blake, who married Sylvia Whitehouse Blake's son.

Jackie's friend Leigh and her new husband, Albert C. Bruce Jr.  soon moved to Midland...

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https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=2509.0
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The Odessa American from Odessa, Texas · Page 14
www.newspapers.com/newspage/53264721/

... In Pecos County, A1bert C. Bruce Jr. and Thomas J. Devine, Midland operators, will drill the No. 1 G. R.
....
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1992-03-22-1992082060-story.html
March 22, 1992

Anne I. Sommers

Worked at the CIA

A memorial service for Anne Iglehart Sommers, a Baltimore native and former CIA employee, will be at 11 a.m. Saturday at Christ Church of Georgetown in Washington.

Mrs. Sommers died Friday at her home in Chevy Chase of lung cancer. She was 63.

In the early 1950s, she was a CIA operations officer for East Germany for two years. In May 1953, she married Frank Feldher Sommers, a CIA officer. They lived in Frankfurt, Germany; Vienna, Austria; Bern, Switzerland; and Vientiane, Laos.

Mrs. Sommers served on embassy committees and school boards in each of these cities.

From 1981 to 1991, she was an administrative assistant at the International Management and Development Institute, a non-profit group in Washington that worked with Fortune 500 companies and major corporations abroad.

Mrs. Sommers attended the Calvert and Bryn Mawr schools in Baltimore and graduated from Bryn Mawr College in Bryn Mawr, Pa.

She is survived by her husband; two daughters, Wing Sommers Blake of Washington and ....

This is significant in two ways :

It is a wedding announcement of the father-in-law of Tom Devine's investment firm partner, John Train's
daughter, Helen "Musa" Train. The ringbearer in that wedding is Iredell Iglehart's son. The early 2000s obit of Helen Train's husband, assassinated in Moscow, describes the couple as friends since childhood who had the same God father.
The groom in this wedding announcement, George, founded the Russian language simultaneous translation group at the U.N.

The Death of Forbes Russian Editor Paul Klebnikov - Nymag
https://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/features/10193/
Oct 22, 2004 — In 1991, he married Musa Train, whom he had known since childhood (they have the same godfather). He married well, and certainly wealthy: ...

NUPTIALS iRE-HELD, FOR, MISS NBBOLSINE; Youri'Khlebnikoff...
New York Times - Sep 8, 1952
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Re: Jim Garrison Names The Grassy Knoll Gunman!
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Re: Jim Garrison Names The Grassy Knoll Gunman!
« Reply #113 on: May 02, 2021, 01:20:07 AM »
Unless Fred can explain how or why Clay Shaw and Garrison and Nicholas Lemann all kept the same secret, I guess there is not much to discuss.

Why was William Manchester, overseen by Evan Thomas of Harper & Row, granted the assignment to write "the book"?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Temple_Canfield
Michael Temple Canfield (August 20, 1926 – December 20, 1969) was an American soldier who worked in London as a representative of Harper & Row.
...
He later worked in London as an editorial representative of Harper and Row where his father was publisher.[9] In London, he lived at Canfield House in Eaton Square and was elected a member of White's, the elite gentleman's club in St James's. In New York, he was a member of the Knickerbocker Club.[7]

Personal life
On April 18, 1953, he was married to Caroline Lee Bouvier (1933–2019)[10] at the Holy Trinity Catholic Church in Washington, D.C.[7] She was a daughter of stockbroker John Vernou Bouvier III and his wife, socialite Janet Norton Lee (then Mrs. Hugh D. Auchincloss).[11] ...

Frank F Sommers, Jr. was nearing the end of his CIA career when he served under diplomatic cover in Laos in the mid-70's. Sylvia's brother Charles Whitehouse who we are told left the CIA, was American ambassador in Laos at that time and Priscilla Johnson's friend Alan Davidson was British ambassador in Laos at that time. Priscilla had been an attendant of Davidson's wife in their 1951 wedding. Davidson's wife was the first cousin of Jock Whitney estate four decade long "fixture," Jinx Falkenburg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Davidson_(food_writer)
 
Here is a bit of news mentioning Frank Sommer's wife:
Other 14 -- No Title

The Sun - Aug 12, 1959
... M. _ ISS REBEKAH E. THOMAS, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Ralph L. Thomas, of St. ... to Frankfort, Germany, where she was met by Mrs. Frank Feldher Sommers. Jr., formerly of Baltimore, and later visited Miss Mary Eyre Baldwin, daughter of...

RL THOMAS SERVICES SET
‎The Sun - Nov 19, 1965
Services for Ralph Llewellyn Thomas, former vice president and executive ... Mr. Thomas, who was a brother of Norman Thomas, six limes a candidate on the ... Mr. Thomas was married lo the former Rebekah Ober, who died earlierthis year....
 
Svetlana's Editor? None Other Than Evan Thomas, Son a Socialist!
Boston Globe - Apr 29, 1967
Three decades later there is an even more unusual sequel; his son, Evan Thomas of Harper and Row, will edit Svetlana Stalin's book. .
 
Evan Thomas 2d Dies at 78; Published Many Best Sellers -...
‎New York Times - Mar 5, 1999
By ALEX KUCZYNSKI Evan Welling Thomas 2d, a book editor who ... Mr. Thomas rose through the ranks to editor in chief at Harper & Brothers, ... His father was Norman Thomas, who ran for President on the Socialist Party ticket six times.
 
(The grandson of Norman Thomas and the grand-nephew of Ralph L. Thomas. Ralph's daughter was able to vacation in 1959 with clandestine CIA agent Anne Calhoun Iglehart Sommers while she was serving on undercover CIA assignment in W. Germany.)
 
Journalist EVAN THOMAS : NPR
‎NPR - Oct 23, 1995
Journalist EVAN THOMAS. ... THOMAS had access to the CIA's own records about their operations, and he interviewed many of the men involved. THOMAS was ..

https://erenow.net/modern/the-devils-chessboard-allen-dulles-the-cia/19.php
The Big Event - The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA ...https://erenow.net › modern › the-devils-chessboard-all...
Dulles's book was published by his friend, Cass Canfield, the legendary publisher of Harper & Row. Dulles spiced the book with a few colorful espionage tales, but ...

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 On 4/7/2013 at 10:55 PM, Tom Scully said:
................

Recently I came upon Hugo G. Koehler, Jr.. His father was quite a character, and was the step-father of Claiborne Pell. This wedding party provided my access.:

SALLY WOODBURY BRIDE IN SUBURBS; Sister Honor Maid at ...

New York Times - Dec 9, 1951

The ushers were James G. Woodbury, brother of the bride; Lieut. ... R. L; Hugo G.' Koehler of New York, James K.- Donaldson of Washington, Shepard Sykes ...

Mr. Handy attended the Berkshire School in Sheffield, Mass., and was graduated

I am interested because James K. Donaldson was also listed as an usher in this 1955 wedding.:

Diplomats' Kin Usher at Barbara Pullman's Wedding Today

Chicago Tribune - Oct 1, 1955

... and Lt. James-K. Don. aldson of the marines, who is the stepson of James H. ... broth- ers of the bride; Thomas Devine of Midland, Tex., Andre Rhe- ault and ...

...........

Did the C.I.A. "Sheep Dip" and Orchestrate the Tale of the Patsy ...

educationforum.ipbhost.com › ... › JFK Assassination DebateMay 17, 2012 – James K. Donaldson's mother, Elinor Thompson Donaldson Douglas, (stepmother of ... Pakistan, July 31, (UPI! .... building ventures conducted by Rodman Rockefeller and his IBEC Housing Corporation and Willard Garvey ..

An Uncommon Man: The Life & Times of Senator Claiborne Pell - Page 214

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books.google.com/books?isbn=1611681871

G. Wayne Miller
- 2011 -
Preview
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More editions
Capelotti
wrote of Koehler's own search “after this supposed extraordinary revelation” for proof of his origins, an exercise in
...
The senator approached
Jackie Kennedy
Onassis
,
who had established herself as a leading editor at Doubleday.
Onassis provided encouragement to Pell, but no offer of
a contract for an autobiography or biography by another writer. Pell turned to his cousin John Pell Train, author and co-founder of The Paris Review.....


https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/17/obituaries/hugh-gladstone-koehler-investment-banker-60.html
Hugh Gladstone Koehler,
Investment Banker, 60 -
Aug 17, 1990 — Hugo Gladstone Koehler, an investment banker, died on Tuesday at a ... He had also been a manager at Train Smith Counsel, Inc. since 1966. ... John DiRubba told the F.B.I. that his girlfriend plotted to have him hire a hit man ...

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https://clintonwhitehouse6.archives.gov/2000/06/2000-06-01-train-named-to-the-federal-retirement-thrift-investment-board.html
For Immediate Release June 1, 2000
         PRESIDENT CLINTON NAMES JOHN TRAIN AS MEMBER OF THE
              FEDERAL RETIREMENT THRIFT INVESTMENT BOARD

     President Clinton today announced his intent to nominate John Train
as Member of the Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board.

Mr. John Train, of New York, New York, is the founder of Train, Smith Counsel, LLC, and ICAP, one of the largest Greek financial information companies. He is Chairman of the Montrose Group, a diversified strategies portfolio investing firm, and a director of the Genesis Emerging Markets Fund (London) and the Genesis Chile Fund. Additionally, Mr. Train is a member of the Board of Directors of the Bulgarian-American Enterprise Fund, a U.S. Government entity, and has been a director of two other U.S. agencies or entities. Mr. Train co-founded The Paris Review and has published seventeen books. He has received three Italian service awards and was appointed to the Order of St. John of Jerusalem (Queen's Birthday Honours) in 1997.

Mr. Train received a B.A and an M.A. from Harvard University.

What does everyone have in common? They are either linked directly by blood or marriage with a few families of "stature" like the Rockefellers, or they can be trusted through some other way.... past deeds, reputation?
John Train's father, Arthur, was the widower of Ethel Kissam of a family married into the Cornelius Vanderbilt family and he summered in Bar Harbor and was known to John D. Rockefeller 2d. Tom Devine's grandmother Charlotte Hooker Dodge was first cousin of John D Rockefeller 3d's wife's father, Elon Huntington Hooker.
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Nebolsine was also the name of the bride in my last post....



Another example, the last U.S. Ambassador to Cuba, Earl Smith :

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_E._T._Smith#Ambassador_to_Cuba
....
Smith was named the U.S. Ambassador to Switzerland by President Kennedy, but declined because Switzerland was charged with United States relations in Cuba.[10] In the 1980s, he was named to the Presidential Commission on Broadcasting to Cuba by President Ronald Reagan alongside George W. Landau.[10]

Personal life
Smith was married four times and divorced twice. His marriage was on January 7, 1926 to Consuelo Vanderbilt (1903–2011),[16] a daughter of the former Virginia Graham Fair and William Kissam Vanderbilt II. Consuelo, the sister of Muriel Vanderbilt, was also a granddaughter of William Kissam Vanderbilt, Alva Belmont, James Graham Fair, and a niece of Harold Stirling Vanderbilt and, her namesake, Consuelo Vanderbilt (the former Duchess of Marlborough from her marriage to Charles Spencer-Churchill, 9th Duke of Marlborough).[16] Before their 1935 divorce, they were the parents of two daughters:[17]...
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Re: Jim Garrison Names The Grassy Knoll Gunman!
« Reply #114 on: May 02, 2021, 01:49:32 AM »
W. Tracy, you're a facts oriented researcher and writer. Isn't there any possibility at all that the common purpose of the WC and the Garrison Investigation was to protect a certain class of people, including Jack and Jackie, from embarrassment?

I have respect for you as a researcher Tom. But I often disagree with you. The purpose of the Garrison investigation (IMO) was to gain publicity for Mr. Garrison so that he could pursue higher office. He prosecuted an innocent man for his own gain. The WC was not perfect but they did identify the killer of JFK (IMO).

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« Reply #115 on: May 02, 2021, 02:27:32 AM »
I have respect for you as a researcher Tom. But I often disagree with you. The purpose of the Garrison investigation (IMO) was to gain publicity for Mr. Garrison so that he could pursue higher office. He prosecuted an innocent man for his own gain. The WC was not perfect but they did identify the killer of JFK (IMO).

You are weird W. Tracy Parnell. And I don't mean it personally, I mean your online presence is weird. I feel like you are just very ultra/nationalistic (like a lot of American WC apologists) I think. I feel like it's a really really good test of a person when they question and set out to dispute government conclusions -- when it comes to the most interesting mysteries concerning our public overlords.

I naturally doubt people who've rushed to accept conclusions reached by our public servants. Your willingness to focus all your attention to the WC truth you espouse without interjecting ANY doubtful caveat  is odd. I don't know what it is you gain from this position. But it's suspicious. I think some of the people that take this posture might actually be trying to come off as CIA or some kinda operative online lol,  walter mitty character. Maybe even attract an alphabet type org to back them -- That's where I am with you.

The automaton manner in which you act so servile to the system's position doesn't escape (along with several other participants)
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« Reply #116 on: May 02, 2021, 02:40:38 AM »
I'm going to respond. Not because I am concerned by your assertions, but because I have a few minutes before my wife gets home with the groceries and I'm bored.

I naturally doubt people who've rushed to accept conclusions reached by our public servants.

What evidence do you have that I "rushed to accept conclusions reached by our public servants?" I looked at the evidence for 10-12 years before I made up my mind. The first book I read was Best Evidence and I was very open to the idea of conspiracy although I wanted proof.

Your willingness to focus all your attention to the WC truth you espouse without interjecting ANY doubtful caveat  is odd.

You'll notice that I said the WC wasn't perfect. I would say that is a caveat of sorts at least.

I don't know what it is you gain from this position. But it's suspicious.

Yes, I have been suspected of all sorts of things since the mid-nineties. But I do what I do (without pay) for no one but myself. I am not trying to attract the attention of the CIA either. I don't think they are too worried about the JFK case at this point.

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« Reply #117 on: May 02, 2021, 02:45:52 AM »
Yes, I have been suspected of all sorts of things since the mid-nineties. But I do what I do (without pay) for no one but myself. I am not trying to attract the attention of the CIA either. I don't think they are too worried about the JFK case at this point.

I think Robert Groden was also accused of being a CIA asset, even though he thinks the CIA killed Kennedy.

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« Reply #118 on: May 02, 2021, 02:47:22 AM »
I think Robert Groden was also accused of being a CIA asset, even though he thinks the CIA killed Kennedy.

Probably true.

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« Reply #119 on: May 02, 2021, 02:57:02 AM »
I think Robert Groden was also accused of being a CIA asset, even though he thinks the CIA killed Kennedy.

LOL that is the sick hilarity of of this epic tragedy. That the CIA are so embroiled in this -- stinking the place out like a rotten fish -- 1) when it comes to Oswald and his connections 2) people suspected to have taken part in the assassination 3) those obstructing assassination evidence truth. The Kennedy's obviously suspect that CIA's fingerprints were all over this. RFK junior has made it totally clear who the Kennedy family believes masterminded the assassination of both their beloved.

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