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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Jim Garrison Names The Grassy Knoll Gunman!
« Reply #120 on: May 02, 2021, 07:42:07 AM »
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I have respect for you as a researcher Tom. But I often disagree with you. The purpose of the Garrison investigation (IMO) was to gain publicity for Mr. Garrison so that he could pursue higher office. He prosecuted an innocent man for his own gain. The WC was not perfect but they did identify the killer of JFK (IMO).

I hope we can agree that the best explanation is one that encompasses and then confronts, considers and attempts to address and reasonably allow for all that is pertinent to a matter under debate, especially a major historical controversy in reaction to or as an outgrowth of a momentous historical controversy.

In his research, writing, presenting, and posting about the Garrison investigation, Jim DiEugenio does not do that and neither do other published authors, Davy, Mellen, or Garrison or his autobiography editor, Zachary Sklar, co-writer with Oliver Stone of the screen play, "JFK, the Movie". Garrison critic Nicholas B. Lemann doesn't do that, either.

Fred Litwin in what he has already published, seems to limit himself to countering DiEugenio and Garrison himself. Fred's efforts would be reasonable except for being selective, especially considering posts by Tom Purvis date back at least 17 years! But Litwin's contemporary blog posts are unreasonable as he acquires more knowledge yet fails to address any of it.

Tom Purvis knew post bellum southern society history and pecking order, especially about New Orleans. Purvis emphasized that descendants of rebel leaders like Robert E. Lee conducted their alliances and wielded their power and influence similarly to the largest portion of a iceberg, out of view, easily underestimated.

Purvis did not accept that a Garrison or a Willard Robertson could waltz in to what amounts to a closed society of long tradition, relationships, and ritual without permission from the local "PTB", including running for elected office or creating either I.N.C.A. or "Truth or Consequences" or commencing an investigation like Garrison's or even seek a party's nomination to run for the office of NODA. For example the CIA domestic contacts office was initiated and staffed in exactly the opposite way as the Garrison investigation. New Hampshire's and Iowa's Robertson and Garrison vs. Stephen B Lemann of Monroe Lemann, William P. Burke, Jr., Hunter Leake, and Dorothy Brandao of the local CIA office.

Link to Purvis's post of 17 years ago supporting that the local CIA office was an extension of NOLA's most prominent secret societies, themselves associated with descendants of rebel leaders like Robert E. Lee :
https://alt.assassination.jfk.narkive.com/tHPQCcmb/lho-the-cia-other-secret-organizations
Purvis posrs as EmptyPockets on Narkive but identified himself at the end of his post, linked above.

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Tom Scully - 11-03-2017,

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        Thomas H. Purvis, Posted 10 November 2005

           
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Lynne Foster, on Nov 9 2005, said:

            As Jay Epstein aptly illustrated, Garrison's investigation shed absolutely nothing new on the assassination itself and according to the New Orleans States-Item, once a key supporter of Jim Garrison, "This travesty of justice is a reproach to the conscience of all good men...Garrison stands revealed for what he is: a man without principle who would pervert the legal process to his own ends."

            Needless to say, assassination buffs began to accuse Garrison of staging the Shaw affair as a red herring to divert attention away from more salient leads in New Orleans.

            Which leads to the obvious question. Is that why Garrison's supporters are so aggressive? Is it their purpose to continue to obscure the truth about the assassination of John F. Kennedy?

        Well, one can rest assured that I am not an "assassination buff", and being considerably more familiar with New Orleans than most others who are posting here, I can assure you that Garrison was a shrewd as well as politically knowledgeable individual.

        Therefore, for him to sacrifice his own personal integrity with the Clay Shaw "Circus & Sideshow", was not an act of ignorance on his part.
        Therefore, if it were not an act of ignorance, then it was obviously a deliberate "act".

        In addition to this, one must also consider that Garrison was formerly one of "Hoover's" boys, and for him to give a performance which was as inept as was the Clay Shaw trial, also meant that it would bring some discredit to the "Hoover" family.

        Therefore, whatever political entity Garrison was dancing to the tune of, he obviously considered it to be far more critical to his long term livelihood than was the risk of offending JEH, or of even bring completely false charges against Clay Shaw.

        Certainly brings to mind such items as the "Spruce Goose" and the "Glomar Explorer".

(Tom Purvis again, three days later in the same thread.:)

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    Thomas H. Purvis - Posted 12 November 2005

    Garrison played the circus act long enough that everyone was quite tired of the show. Then, with his dramatic presentation of evidence, he succeeded in convincing many that everyone who even discusses this subject is quite possibly as "off" as was he.

    Pretty hard act to follow!

    When some factual interest again began to grow, then we were treated to "Garrison Resurected" aka/JFK per Oliver Stone.

    And again, another good piece of "sleight-of-hand" which continues to prove that a good "con" can be repeatedly utililized so long as the general populace is given adequate time to "forget" the last time the con was utilized.

    Since it is extremely doubtful and unlikely that either JEH or LBJ had anything to do with the assassination of JFK, Garrison "Side Show" & Company was not in the business of anything other than "diversion" away from the actual facts of the assassination, which of course JEH and the WC fully lied about.

    Garrison's purpose was quite similiar to the female bird who goes into the "broken wing" act when any predator gets near the nest.

    With the "broken wing", the mother bird will lead the predator off and astray, so far away from the nest that the predator is unlikely to find it's way back to the nest.

    However, in the Garrison case, many of those who followed him are obviously still completely "lost" in the woods.

    Certainly good for an occassional laugh, if nothing else. 
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Re: Jim Garrison Names The Grassy Knoll Gunman!
« Reply #120 on: May 02, 2021, 07:42:07 AM »


Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: Jim Garrison Names The Grassy Knoll Gunman!
« Reply #121 on: May 03, 2021, 12:16:23 PM »
I hope we can agree that the best explanation is one that encompasses and then confronts, considers and attempts to address and reasonably allow for all that is pertinent to a matter under debate, especially a major historical controversy in reaction to or as an outgrowth of a momentous historical controversy.

In his research, writing, presenting, and posting about the Garrison investigation, Jim DiEugenio does not do that and neither do other published authors, Davy, Mellen, or Garrison or his autobiography editor, Zachary Sklar, co-writer with Oliver Stone of the screen play, "JFK, the Movie". Garrison critic Nicholas B. Lemann doesn't do that, either.

Fred Litwin in what he has already published, seems to limit himself to countering DiEugenio and Garrison himself. Fred's efforts would be reasonable except for being selective, especially considering posts by Tom Purvis date back at least 17 years! But Litwin's contemporary blog posts are unreasonable as he acquires more knowledge yet fails to address any of it.

Tom Purvis knew post bellum southern society history and pecking order, especially about New Orleans. Purvis emphasized that descendants of rebel leaders like Robert E. Lee conducted their alliances and wielded their power and influence similarly to the largest portion of a iceberg, out of view, easily underestimated.

Purvis did not accept that a Garrison or a Willard Robertson could waltz in to what amounts to a closed society of long tradition, relationships, and ritual without permission from the local "PTB", including running for elected office or creating either I.N.C.A. or "Truth or Consequences" or commencing an investigation like Garrison's or even seek a party's nomination to run for the office of NODA. For example the CIA domestic contacts office was initiated and staffed in exactly the opposite way as the Garrison investigation. New Hampshire's and Iowa's Robertson and Garrison vs. Stephen B Lemann of Monroe Lemann, William P. Burke, Jr., Hunter Leake, and Dorothy Brandao of the local CIA office.

Link to Purvis's post of 17 years ago supporting that the local CIA office was an extension of NOLA's most prominent secret societies, themselves associated with descendants of rebel leaders like Robert E. Lee :
https://alt.assassination.jfk.narkive.com/tHPQCcmb/lho-the-cia-other-secret-organizations
Purvis posrs as EmptyPockets on Narkive but identified himself at the end of his post, linked above.

        Well, one can rest assured that I am not an "assassination buff", and being considerably more familiar with New Orleans than most others who are posting here, I can assure you that Garrison was a shrewd as well as politically knowledgeable individual.

        Therefore, for him to sacrifice his own personal integrity with the Clay Shaw "Circus & Sideshow", was not an act of ignorance on his part.
        Therefore, if it were not an act of ignorance, then it was obviously a deliberate "act".

        In addition to this, one must also consider that Garrison was formerly one of "Hoover's" boys, and for him to give a performance which was as inept as was the Clay Shaw trial, also meant that it would bring some discredit to the "Hoover" family.

        Therefore, whatever political entity Garrison was dancing to the tune of, he obviously considered it to be far more critical to his long term livelihood than was the risk of offending JEH, or of even bring completely false charges against Clay Shaw.

        Certainly brings to mind such items as the "Spruce Goose" and the "Glomar Explorer".

(Tom Purvis again, three days later in the same thread.:)

Mssr. Purvis was a very interesting man.  More of a mensch than Prouty, oui?


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« Reply #122 on: May 24, 2021, 04:26:22 PM »


Offline Gerry Down

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #123 on: May 24, 2021, 07:36:39 PM »
Rose Cherami went through some difficult times and made some bad choices in her life. Its time now she is allowed rest in peace.

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #124 on: May 24, 2021, 08:12:09 PM »
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/an-important-new-find-regarding-rose-cherami

Not 100% sure how her "history of making false stories" makes her clairvoyant.
Making up stories about things that have happened is one thing. Making up stories about things that are yet to happen which then turn out to be true...


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Offline Fred Litwin

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #125 on: May 24, 2021, 08:49:59 PM »
There is no evidence she had any foreknowledge.

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #126 on: May 24, 2021, 10:45:30 PM »
Not 100% sure how her "history of making false stories" makes her clairvoyant.
Making up stories about things that have happened is one thing. Making up stories about things that are yet to happen which then turn out to be true...

Dan,

All we have are claims made by Fruge and Weiss long after her death.  Neither of them filed any reports about her supposed claim at the time she supposedly made it.

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #127 on: May 24, 2021, 11:13:53 PM »
There is no evidence she had any foreknowledge.

"Evidence"... since when did evidence matter? So many are FoS, "in it" to pursue publishing profit or merely attention.

The 1957 article describes Melba Christine as age 30 and the 1960 article as age 33. Her gravestone indicates 1923 as the year of her birth.

https://jfkfacts.org/comment-of-the-week-10/#comment-843927


Fred, you know what you know, and when the evidence is with you, I'm with you.

Would I have to fill an entire bus with people who either met Oswald or DeMorhrenschildt or were one person removed, and later tangled or tangoed with Bush, to persuade you from moving to, "I don't know" from your present position? Especially if you buy the narrative of "Oswald, lone assassin, his best friend in Dallas was DeMohrenschildt."

The list of names graduated from Andover in the subsequent three years. They are pictured above the A.U.V. secret society house they all resided in. Hooker was DeMohrenschildt's oil exploration business partner, his mother married DeMohrenschildt's brother in 1936. Bush was an usher in Hooker's wedding. After Hooker died in 1967, Bush escorted his daughter down the aisle in her 1972 church wedding. Macomber was best man in Bush's sister's 1946 wedding, and in Tom Devine's 1973 wedding. E. Howard Hunt's clearance to review 1963 diplomatic cables related to the murders of the Diem brothers, was approved by Macomber, a former CIA agent and Sen. John Sherman Cooper (S&B at Yale) staffer, who was hustled off to Turkey by Dept. of State in reaction to news that Hunt forged cables to impugn JFK's rep.

Devine lived in the Sigma Chi frat house @ M.I.T. with 16 other frat brothers. One was Garry Coit, Priscilla's CIA handler.
Devine reported nine contacts with DeMohrenschildt between April 25, 1963 and the end of May. His initial meeting was two weeks after DeMohrenschildt described joking with Oswald, "Lee, how could you miss?" in reaction to news of the shooting at Edwin Walker. On that same day, Joseph F Dryer said he also met with DeMohrenschildt and Clemard Charles. Devine, Dryer, and Macomber were friends growing up in Rochester.

https://sigmachi.mit.edu/docs/beaver_sigs/1946_bsig_vol1946_no1.pdf




From "Our man in Haiti" by Joan Mellen


After I discovered from Devine's 1944 high school yearbook that Dryer's brother Peter had been a member (20 boys) of Devine's K-8 class before departing for Choate, I wrote to Joan to inquire whether Joseph Dryer had mentioned Devine.





Billy Joe Lord to President Carter, March, 1977 :

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9963#relPageId=175

And...




Henry Hurt's wife is Bemiss's cousin.


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BED BREAKFAST A LA BUSH
Aug 15, 1989 — ... W. Moseley, and childhood friend FitzGerald Bemiss -- to name a few. ... The Bushes invited Pettis and her husband, Ben Roberson, to stay with ... Bush's family has been spending summers at Kennebunkport since the ...

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2006/09/bushes200609
43+41=84 |
Jun 4, 2008 — Is he George H. W. Bush or George W. Bush? ... From Washington to Houston to Kennebunkport and back, shaky second- and thirdhand ... When I ask FitzGerald Bemiss, one of 41's oldest friends from childhood summers in ...

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88891802/langbourne-meade-williams



https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145503#relPageId=135&search=beamis_and%20hotels
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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #127 on: May 24, 2021, 11:13:53 PM »