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Offline Fred Litwin

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« Reply #208 on: August 23, 2021, 05:06:10 PM »
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A Wrap-up of the Richard Case Nagell Story
I've spent the last two weeks debunking the Richard Case Nagell story. Today is the final wrap-up.

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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: A Wrap-Up of the Richard Case Nagell story
« Reply #209 on: August 23, 2021, 09:32:06 PM »
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A Wrap-up of the Richard Case Nagell Story
I've spent the last two weeks debunking the Richard Case Nagell story. Today is the final wrap-up.

Two weeks? Three images...





This is available in a page early in Dick Russell's revised edition of his book. Below, a crop of a posted reply to Walt of some time ago, his name underlined in red at the bottom. With "old Walt," every day is Groundhog day.

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Re: A Wrap-Up of the Richard Case Nagell story
« Reply #210 on: August 23, 2021, 09:39:53 PM »
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A Wrap-up of the Richard Case Nagell Story
I've spent the last two weeks debunking the Richard Case Nagell story. Today is the final wrap-up.

The story says that Nagell had sent him ( Fensterwald ) the ID card......

Doesn't that indicate that Nagell had it?  He couldn't have sent something he didn't have....
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Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: A Wrap-Up of the Richard Case Nagell story
« Reply #211 on: August 23, 2021, 09:57:32 PM »
Two weeks? Three images...





This is available in a page early in Dick Russell's revised edition of his book. Below, a crop of a posted reply to Walt of some time ago, his name underlined in red at the bottom. With "old Walt," every day is Groundhog day.



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Re: A Wrap-Up of the Richard Case Nagell story
« Reply #212 on: August 24, 2021, 12:43:21 AM »
The story says that Nagell had sent him ( Fensterwald ) the ID card......

Doesn't that indicate that Nagell had it?  He couldn't have sent something he didn't have....

Yes he had it. He was the one that faked it. That severely undercuts Nagells credibility.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #213 on: August 24, 2021, 01:37:05 AM »
Yes he had it. He was the one that faked it. That severely undercuts Nagells credibility.

What is the basis for your statement that Nagell created the Card??

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Re: A Wrap-Up of the Richard Case Nagell story
« Reply #214 on: August 24, 2021, 02:29:05 AM »
What is the basis for your statement that Nagell created the Card??

You said he had the card. Therefore if he had the card then he either made it himself or was aware someone else made it and he was happy to have it in his possession. If Nagell had the card, then he is in effect endorsing it. And as the card is fake, then that makes Nagell a fraud.

It would take someone weird to fake that card and Nagell was doing lots of weird things.
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Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #215 on: August 24, 2021, 12:45:52 PM »
Sigh! Sometimes I feel like "the invisible man" of the JFK Assassination "Research" "community".
Example: I became aware only 12 hours ago of the recent passing of Priscilla. In the reactions to her death I've since read, none of my unique discoveries of her associations or background are mentioned,
The fact that despite the last person reported to have seen Priscilla's father, Stuart Johnson alive in 1969
happened to be Allen Dulles's cousin, James Augustus Thomas, Priscilla told the HSCA in 1978 that completion of her book was delayed partly because of her upset in reaction to her father's "concealed suicide"...

...not even the fact that Priscilla arranged for Marina to be shielded from media inquiry in anticipation of imminent release of the WC Report from Sept. to Dec., 1964, by.... wait for it...



Priscilla's CIA agent cousin, David C. Davenport, and his friend and possible cousin, Jerome Allen Hasty, the two who were sued by Hasty's step-daughter, JoAnn McAdams for abducting her just months later, in July, 1965, and my discovery that JoAnn McAdams was first cousin of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Clifford
...and, in her lawsuit against Davenport, Hasty, et al, JoAnn described Hasty as the spouse of her mother,



https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/35602601/
Click on OCR link on the page to display page text.
"...Huge suit filed  A suit has been filed in the First Judicial District court by Miss Joanne McAdams of Santa Fe asking for damages in the amount of 390,000,000....David Davenport. Diana Kerner, Perez Roybal, New Mexico Slate Hospital, and the Santa Fc County. Miss Me Adams, who is not represented by an attorney in the suit relates in the complaint that she had come to Santa Fe to visit her mother, Mrs. Marguerite McAdams Hasty, and her mother's husband, Jerome Hasty, and David Davenport, a friend of Hasty, induced her to consult Dr. Roscnbaum. As a result, she claims, the sheriff of Sazita Fc County, Perez Roybal, arrested her without a warrant and she was transported lo the-State Hospital at Las- Vegas, where she \vas incaceratcd from July 28, 1965 to August 15,..."



One of two photos of Hasty that Priscilla herself released to news media in 2013.:



(In 1966, Hasty legally changed his name to Hastings.)

Marguerite Bowman McAdams, who happened to be Clark Clifford's aunt and the sister-in-law of the ten year long employer of James D. Phelan at the Alton Telegraph newspaper,
http://jfkforum.com/images/ClarkCliffordObitAltonTelegraphUncle.jpg
especially interesting because Pat "Patsy" Lambert of David Lifton association, is later described as James Phelan's cousin and his spokesperson.

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/12/19/18338723.php
Deadly Corruption in Probate Court - 2006/12/19
Dec 19, 2006 — "My mother, Dr. Amalie Phelan, first visited Attorney Horspool in the ... Family friend and journalist Patricia Lambert had flown in from ..."

David Lifton insisted both Marina and Priscilla were credible in all of his exchanges with them.

BWDIK ? Some will reasonably dismiss my complaints here as the whining of an attention seeker but consider that I haven't posted in months, I'm rarely inaccurate in my claims and when I find that I am, I admit it and correct ASAP. Just ask Mark O'Blazney, LOL.

Consider that Dick Russell is the author of the intro to Mary's Mosaic, Peter Janney's failed book, and of the intro in the late author Albarelli's book, "Coup in Dallas" scheduled for release on Amazon's site on November 16, and that author Russell claimed to have obtained coherent responses to questions he posed to Robert E. Webster in a long term care facility in New Bedford, MA, just after another researcher described Webster as in an unresponsive, "vegetative state".   Link

Invisible, because I've been buried in BS by BS-ers

Walt is either impaired, mendacious, or one is overlapping the other. Consider my comment to Walt (I underlined his name in red) at the bottom of the image of a page found early in Dick Russell's revised edition of "TMWKTM".



This is "the thread" in which BSers BS, (distract) the readers, as happens in almost every thread of this forum. You presented unsupported BS.


In the recent past, Fred Litwin has consistently ignored my several attempts to engage him in debate, but he obviously has time to waste engaging Walt.

Tom, you and Fred need a 'forum' to debate these discrepancies.  Fair?

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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #215 on: August 24, 2021, 12:45:52 PM »