On The Trail Of Delusion

[Walt Cakebread]

You said he had the card. Therefore if he had the card then he either made it himself or was aware someone else made it and he was happy to have it in his possession. If Nagell had the card, then he is in effect endorsing it. And as the card is fake, then that makes Nagell a fraud.

It would take someone weird to fake that card and Nagell was doing lots of weird things.

if he had the card then he either made it himself or was aware someone else made it and he was happy to have it in his possession.

Nagell apparently had the card in September 1963 .....   I can't imagine why he would want to create a fake ID card with Lee Oswald's photo and personal information on it at least two months before the assassination of JFK . A murder that Lee Oswald was going to be framed for.

Perhaps you can offer a reason that Nagell would want to create a fake card in send a letter to J.E. Hoover and get himself involved in an event that was in the planning stages.

[Fred Litwin]

There is NO evidence that Nagell had the card in 1963. All we know is that Dick Russell found a poor photocopy of
the card in Bernard Fensterwald's office in Washington DC in 1976.

fred

[Gerry Down]

if he had the card then he either made it himself or was aware someone else made it and he was happy to have it in his possession.

Nagell apparently had the card in September 1963 .....   I can't imagine why he would want to create a fake ID card with Lee Oswald's photo and personal information on it at least two months before the assassination of JFK . A murder that Lee Oswald was going to be framed for.

Perhaps you can offer a reason that Nagell would want to create a fake card in send a letter to J.E. Hoover and get himself involved in an event that was in the planning stages.

I think he faked the card in either the late 60s or early 70s. It's a bad forgery so it's like something someone with mental problems would create. Most likely person therefore would be nagell himself.

[Walt Cakebread]

I think he faked the card in either the late 60s or early 70s. It's a bad forgery so it's like something someone with mental problems would create. Most likely person therefore would be nagell himself.

I think he faked the card in either the late 60s or early 70s.

Hoover had had him sent to prison and a federal mental hospital.....   He would have wanted to avoid being sent back... So what reason would Nagell have had for staying involved in the mess.

[Gerry Down]

There is NO evidence that Nagell had the card in 1963. All we know is that Dick Russell found a poor photocopy of
the card in Bernard Fensterwald's office in Washington DC in 1976.

fred

Hi Fred,

Through your research, did you find anything about the claim Dick Russell made in the 1992 version of his book about Voshinin? I only have the later version of this book which does not mention Voshinin at all in the index.

Apparently Russell interviewed both Igor and Natasha Voshinin. According to Russell, Natasha said that George de Mohrenschildt visited them on the Easter sunday after the Walker shooting and told them of his suspicion of Oswald being the Walker shooter. After after de Mohrenschildt left, Natasha phoned the Dallas FBI and told them of Oswald being a potential suspect. This would put this information in the possession of Hosty. Neither of the Voshinins mention this in their WC testimony however.

I find it difficult to believe Russell would make this up out of thin air or that Natasha Voshinin would make it up. Is Russell still standing by this claim and has he given an explanation for omitting it from he later release of his book?

More importantly, did Natasha Voshinin give Russell any explanation for not mentioning this detail in her WC testimony?

Gerry

[Walt Cakebread]

Hi Fred,

Through your research, did you find anything about the claim Dick Russell made in the 1992 version of his book about Voshinin? I only have the later version of this book which does not mention Voshinin at all in the index.

Apparently Russell interviewed both Igor and Natasha Voshinin. According to Russell, Natasha said that George de Mohrenschildt visited them on the Easter sunday after the Walker shooting and told them of his suspicion of Oswald being the Walker shooter. After after de Mohrenschildt left, Natasha phoned the Dallas FBI and told them of Oswald being a potential suspect. This would put this information in the possession of Hosty. Neither of the Voshinins mention this in their WC testimony however.

I find it difficult to believe Russell would make this up out of thin air or that Natasha Voshinin would make it up. Is Russell still standing by this claim and has he given an explanation for omitting it from he later release of his book?

More importantly, did Natasha Voshinin give Russell any explanation for not mentioning this detail in her WC testimony?

Gerry

As I recall .... In the book Marina and Lee Shortly before hightailing it out of Dallas in April of 63,  G. DeM visited a Russian woman whom he knew was an FBI informer and subtly attempted to get the FBI interested in Lee's "attempt" on Walker's life.   According to the woman,  George De M said something like ..." Ya know that scoundrel Lee Oswald is the guy who took that pot shot at General Walker". G. DeM knew the woman was an FBI informer and he knew that if the FBI listened to her they would come looking for him....  But he was on his way out of Dallas and on his way to CIA country in Virginia after he told her that.....     

[Gerry Down]

As I recall .... In the book Marina and Lee Shortly before hightailing it out of Dallas in April of 63,  G. DeM visited a Russian woman whom he knew was an FBI informer and subtly attempted to get the FBI interested in Lee's "attempt" on Walker's life.   According to the woman,  George De M said something like ..." Ya know that scoundrel Lee Oswald is the guy who took that pot shot at General Walker". G. DeM knew the woman was an FBI informer and he knew that if the FBI listened to her they would come looking for him....  But he was on his way out of Dallas and on his way to CIA country in Virginia after he told her that.....     

I've just checked the relevant section of Marina and Lee - chapter 25. There is no mention of anything like you describe.

[Walt Cakebread]

I've just checked the relevant section of Marina and Lee - chapter 25. There is no mention of anything like you describe.

Yes, I've also looked for the information and I can't find it....  I was certain that it was in Marina & Lee that I read about George saying that to the Russian woman....  I'm absolutely certain I read about De M telling the woman that Lee was the scoundrel who had taken a pot shot at Walker.....  Perhaps it wasn't in Marina & lee....  I'll keep trying to provide you with a reference ...