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Offline Denis Pointing

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Re: Why Do Conspiracy Theorists Still Believe Julia Ann Mercer?
« Reply #328 on: October 28, 2021, 01:25:38 AM »
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She wouldn't be the first witness to say that she was misquoted in official statements.

A better question would be, "why do WC evangelists automatically believe whatever cops say"?

You should ask one. (If any actually exist) Personally, I don't know of any. If you mean LNs, why do you assume they do automatically believe whatever cops say? Anything to back up that huge assumption?

PS Seen the expression "evangelists" in a few of your posts now..new buzzword?
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Re: Why Do Conspiracy Theorists Still Believe Julia Ann Mercer?
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Why Do Conspiracy Theorists Still Believe Julia Ann Mercer?
« Reply #329 on: October 28, 2021, 04:51:01 AM »
You should ask one. (If any actually exist) Personally, I don't know of any. If you mean LNs, why do you assume they do automatically believe whatever cops say? Anything to back up that huge assumption?

PS Seen the expression "evangelists" in a few of your posts now..new buzzword?

Not particularly new.  The "Oswald did it" position is a religion.  With a creed and inerrant holy books.

Yes, read Litwin's article.  His entire argument is that nobody should believe Mercer because the cops (or the FBI who are cops) said something different.  And they didn't even say anything that different.  There was a truck there at that time and somebody probably took something out of the back of it.  So why is there such a drive amongst the WC faithful to discredit and try to destroy any witness who could be at odds with the official narrative?

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Re: Mark Lane Interviews Roger Craig
« Reply #330 on: October 28, 2021, 12:45:24 PM »
Please tell us more, Ted.

He spent months (being paid by Jim Jones all the while) pushing unfounded opinions of conspiracy to Jones and the Peoples Temple. "The CIA are after you", "they've plans for you" and such. Making an already paranoid and crazy man (Jones) more paranoid and crazy. Theres no doubt that Lanes "work" contributed to the tragedy. He has blood on his hands.

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Offline Denis Pointing

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Re: Why Do Conspiracy Theorists Still Believe Julia Ann Mercer?
« Reply #331 on: October 28, 2021, 05:13:36 PM »
Not particularly new.  The "Oswald did it" position is a religion.  With a creed and inerrant holy books.

Yes, read Litwin's article.  His entire argument is that nobody should believe Mercer because the cops (or the FBI who are cops) said something different.  And they didn't even say anything that different.  There was a truck there at that time and somebody probably took something out of the back of it.  So why is there such a drive amongst the WC faithful to discredit and try to destroy any witness who could be at odds with the official narrative?

"religion" "creed" "holy books" "evangelist"

You seem to have gone from a reasonable CT to a CT nut-job! Take some time out John.
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Re: Why Do Conspiracy Theorists Still Believe Julia Ann Mercer?
« Reply #332 on: October 28, 2021, 06:38:00 PM »
"religion" "creed" "holy books" "evangelist"

If the shoe fits...

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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Why Do Conspiracy Theorists Still Believe Julia Ann Mercer?
« Reply #333 on: October 29, 2021, 01:04:42 AM »
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/why-do-conspiracy-theorists-still-believe-julia-ann-mercer

So, if a witness confirms that their statements have been altered why would you automatically assume they are lying and are not trustworthy? 

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Re: Mark Lane Interviews Roger Craig
« Reply #334 on: October 29, 2021, 07:07:50 AM »
Theres no doubt that Lanes "work" contributed to the tragedy. He has blood on his hands.
I guess after Ted Shields has been dead for 5 years someone can say just about anything they want to about him.
Me? I get skeptical when someone says they have no doubt.
According to wikipedia..Jim Jones had 2 lawyers--Lane and some other guy. They both hid in the woods when the guns started shooting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lane_(author)#After_the_tragedy 

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Re: Mark Lane Interviews Roger Craig
« Reply #335 on: October 29, 2021, 07:25:06 AM »
The list says nothing about these things being released to the FBI or when.
I tend to accept the official story when it smells to high heaven.

The official story holds that the DPD released a number of items to the FBI on 11-22-63 without making a list or receiving a signed receipt. The FBI subsequently discussed these items in Airtels and made a report on these items but no signed list was ever discussed or produced. There is a note on one of the DPD crime lab reports that some of the items were released to Vince Drain that evening, but this is not a complete list of what was supposedly released.

But one of the problems exposed by this mess is the palm print reportedly cut from Box D, the seat box. This was reportedly removed from the box on the afternoon of the 22nd, and verified as Oswald's print that evening. And yet this print was not sent to the FBI for verification that evening. Nor was it photographed in situ in the building. Nor was it photographed at the DPD that evening. Nor is there  an 11-22-63 DPD report in which this verification is noted. There is simply a claim that they removed it from a box found in the sniper's nest, and that it matched Oswald's palm print. I must admit I'm a skeptic.
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Re: Mark Lane Interviews Roger Craig
« Reply #335 on: October 29, 2021, 07:25:06 AM »