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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #544 on: November 30, 2021, 01:35:47 AM »
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Buried in the mountain of LN nonsense produced in this thread, there was a serious question asked to see if those LNs, in particular "Richard Smith", were able/willing to actually discuss and/or explain an evidence conundrum

Those are legit questions. I did read somewhere that the “Hunter of Fascists” caption wasn’t in Oswald’s handwriting.
 
Most of those sorts of questions can’t be answered so they hide behind the “Oswald was a deranged madman” explanation.



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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #544 on: November 30, 2021, 01:35:47 AM »


Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #545 on: November 30, 2021, 02:52:44 AM »
It took you a whole day to come up with that one?   :D

Too bad you don't know what a normal conversation is. Your posts on this thread provide conclusive evidence of your ignorance.

Unlike you lot, i don't need instant gratification.
A normal conversation in your case is to try to insult every LNer from the get-go
You lot are the ones saddled with ignorance: Six decades and nothing but landfill from you brainiacs.
My posts retell — with brilliant artistry and no little sarcasm— actual witness testimony, not CT misinterpretation of same.


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Garbage in, garbage out
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #546 on: November 30, 2021, 03:28:27 AM »
Unlike you lot, i don't need instant gratification.
A normal conversation in your case is to try to insult every LNer from the get-go
You lot are the ones saddled with ignorance: Six decades and nothing but landfill from you brainiacs.
My posts retell — with brilliant artistry and no little sarcasm— actual witness testimony, not CT misinterpretation of same.

Garbage in, garbage out

Garbage in, garbage out

Wow. I did not expect so much self awareness from you   Thumb1:
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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
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Offline Paul May

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Re: JFK Revisited Lays an Egg
« Reply #547 on: November 30, 2021, 04:45:52 AM »
Just for clarification, not everyone, including myself, agrees with Stone that the entire Military Industrial Complex killed JFK due to his resistance towards escalation of US involvement in Vietnam. Stone is entitled to his own opinion but there's room for other points of view.

Beyond that, both sides are to blame for the start of the Cold War but the US is (arguably) more responsible for it lasting several decades. I'm sure there's more than one interpretation of Cold War history but the TV series you're referring to was written by Historian, Peter Kuznick. Almost all historical events have more than one interpretation and the consensus of historians can change over time. For example, President Ulysses Grant is experiencing a revival in popularity among contemporary historians after spending a century being called one of the worst US Presidents. So it seems perfectly fine and normal to read or watch Kuznick's alternative interpretations of 20th century world history.

Lastly, Stone's opinions on the MIC and US covert ops are based in reality.

It's fair to criticize how much Stone blames Defense and Financial institutions for the evils of the world but the criticisms aren't baseless. After all, it was none other than President Dwight Eisenhower who first warned about the dangers of the Military Industrial Complex and President Harry Truman after the JFK assassination who called for the CIA to be reined in.

Have you read any of the books on the Dulles brothers? They were the epitome of the "Deep State".

In reality, Eisenhower was warning American’s about the MIC’s new chief, JFK. It was JFK who campaigned on the phony missile gap with the soviets and was telling American’s to build bomb shelters. In his short tenure as POTUS, the MIC became the largest in America’s history. JFK was a staunch anti communist pillorying Harry Truman while a Senator for losing China to the communists. It would not happen on his watch he told aides.

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #548 on: November 30, 2021, 05:40:52 AM »
[previously...]
JF: However...regarding expert forensic evidence, a panel of sound engineers, acoustical specialists and various other auditory authorities told the HSCA committee that there is a 95% chance that there was a 4th shot from the knoll area.

MT: The "95%" claim was made by Wiess and Ashkenazy, no one else. Two guys.

[...and then...]
The study was supervised by Dr. James E. Barger, the firm's chief scientist. At the time of the reconstruction in August 1978, the committee was extremely conscious of the significance of Barger's preliminary work, realizing, as it did, that his analysis indicated that there possibly were too many shots, spaced too closely together, 5 for Lee Harvey Oswald to have fired all of them, and that one of the shots came from" the grassy knoll, not the Texas School Book Depository. When questioned about the probability of the entire third impulse pattern representing a supersonic bullet being fired at the President from the grassy knoll, Barger estimated there was a 20 percent chance that the N-wave, as opposed to the sequence of impulses following it, was actually caused by random noise.(65) Accordingly, the mathematical probability of the entire sequence of impulses actually representing a supersonic bullet was 76 percent, the product of a 95 percent chance that the impulse pattern represented noise as loud as a rifle shot from the grassy knoll times an 80 percent chance that the N-wave was caused by a supersonic bullet. (66)

The committee found no evidence or indication of any other cause of noise as loud as a rifle shot coming from the grassy knoll at the time the impulse sequence was recorded on the dispatch tape, and therefore concluded that the cause was probably a gunshot fired at the motorcade.
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/part-1b.html

The Backyard pictures do not prove that Oswald killed JFK.
In retrospect...being plastered on the cover of LIFE magazine with the caption 'weapons used to kill Kennedy and Officer Tippit' instilled prejudice in the minds of Americans no matter the questions and no matter the circumstantial evidence.
The quote from the HSCA report you've presented doesn't rebut what I said.  In fact, the quote supports my position. Weiss and Aashkenazi came up with the 95% number. The other acoustics group working for the HSCA, BRSW, looked at the WA study and immediately knocked the number down from 95% to 76%. If only they'd listened to the "garbled transmission" that they found at the time of the "shots."

As to your point about the photos not proving that Oswald shot anyone, you are correct in a strict technical sense. However, the BY photos are a link in a chain of possession that connects LHO to CE139.




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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #549 on: November 30, 2021, 12:40:36 PM »
Garbage in, garbage out

Wow. I did not expect so much self awareness from you   Thumb1:

Garbage is picked up every second Tuesday.
But you blowhards have special needs: Aside from the obvious ultra-emotional, paranoid shortcomings running amok on the far shores of the lunatic fringe since Day One, you lot need everyday pick-up.

And twice on Tuesdays.
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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: JFK Revisited Lays an Egg
« Reply #550 on: November 30, 2021, 12:50:44 PM »
So Oswald didn't say that his head was pasted on someone else's body. Got it.
I saw/said.. you saw/fled.

My bad.
When you said "It was Oswald" I thought you were referring to the false words you'd put in his mouth which you then claimed were "sworn testimony".
So, when you said, "It was Oswald", you weren't referring to your belief Oswald took the shots.
You were referring to what Oswald was reported to have said regarding the BYP.
Just to clear up any confusion - Oswald is reported to have said these things.

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #551 on: November 30, 2021, 01:03:50 PM »
Awesome triple selfie!

Go Chapman!

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Yes, it is an awesome concept, design and work of art that I did indeed do myself(ie)

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #551 on: November 30, 2021, 01:03:50 PM »