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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher - and her reply!
« Reply #64 on: December 05, 2020, 08:02:03 PM »
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Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher

Sylvia Meagher was a supporter of Kerry Thornley and even donated money for his defense - Garrison had charged him with perjury for denying he met Oswald in New Orleans in September 1963.
Here is a letter from Thornley to Meagher, and her reply. It adds some color and details about their thinking of Garrison.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/blog

A deeper dive, Fred....

NOTE: If you do not want to invest the time to read this reply, I created a new thread with a brief OP that
might be more attractive tp readers living very busy lives...
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1734.msg44747.html#msg44747
Intention Aside, Did Stone's "JFK, the Movie" Destroy Potential to be informed?

HUGH AYNESWORTH........Mr Everywhere

 More here.......     https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/journalists-jfk-part-3-the-real-dizinfo-agents-at-dealey-plaza

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https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/opinion/2010/07/12/on-right-to-wor

Re: ".'Right to work' born at News -- Writer coined term opposing forced union membership," Sunday news story.
The article says that "historians and lawyers agree that the right-work laws were the leading factor in the Sun Belt's success." What is the Sun Belt's success? It is making lots of money for employers and having right-to-work laws helped do that.
How can The Dallas Morning News say that the "right to work editorial in 1941 was not anti-union," when the "right to work" goes against the rights of unions by requiring them to represent all workers, including the ones who do not pay any union dues? The law has been divisive and anti-union from its inception, and it continues to be so today.
Elaine Lantz, Dallas

... have damaged middle class
Regarding your thinly disguised praise for the late William Ruggles, editorial writer for The Dallas Morning News, many of us have always considered him an enemy of the people. The "Right to Work" concept, the most insidious part of the Taft-Hartley Act, has had a negative effect on this nation's middle class, right up to this day. Younger readers also need to remember that when Ruggles was on the editorial staff of The Dallas Morning News, the newspaper was considered the most reactionary major daily of the time.
Aubra Billy Thomas, Dallas

In the bigger picture, was not Jesse Core III, son-in-law of DMN's editorial editor, William Ruggles, much more a "Mr. Everywhere" than
Aynesworth could have ever hoped to be,
beginning with Core's wife....Ruggles's daughter, being at the top of the protests led by Mac Wallace?

Perhaps, if Jesse had not influenced Harold Weisberg to develop a "man crush" on Jesse Core, what I offer in this post would not
seem more obscure than the DMN billboard that is Hugh Aynesworth?:
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http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/P%20Disk/Panzeca%20Sal/Item%2005.pdf
Or.... http://jfkforum.com/images/WeisbergJesseCoreFriend.jpg
Core and his fiance Miss Ruggles were feted at a pre-marriage party hosted by the Turtle Creek landlord of Edwin Walker,
in the house Walker rented from that same owner, a dozen years later. :


Core was clandestine CIA and called NOLA broadcaster to
inquire if they were giving realtime coverage to Oswald's pamphlet hand out apperance near the Trade Mart. :
https://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62419&relPageId=52&search=rumor_and%20picketed

Kerry Thornley said he was taken to Core's office by his mentor, Clint Bolton, a close friend of Core.:
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,119.msg1584.html#msg1584.

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A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, Jfk's Assassination, and the ...
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1597973548
Joan Mellen - 2011 - ‎History
Baldwin's successor, Jesse Core, was also with the CIA. It was a matter of saving the Agency ?shoe leather,? Core would say. ...

.....
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Why are these two CIA assets and back to back Trade Mart PR directors, David & Jesse, hired by Clay Shaw, seen here three
months apart in 1967, egging on Shaw and then Garrison in opposing directions?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=163321&search=jesse_and+calcutta#relPageId=3&tab=page


?One example...:
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Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen
Joan Mellen is the author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK?s Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History. This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006. Tyler Weaver provided the introduction, and the interview was conducted by Rex Bradford.
??.
REX: I ? I think ?

JOAN: ? when Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people?.

Mellen claimed she interviewed 1200 people, many from New Orleans, in the process of assembling her book on
Jim Garrison and his investigation, and yet, she was emphatic in her rather narrow conclusions I quoted above.







From Joan Mellen?s book :
https://books.google.com/books?id=9mQtAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT138&lpg=PT138&dq=%22joan+mellen%22+stephen+lemann&source=bl&ots=JQ0cQ7W_xe&sig=zjEbm-HJgiFBiqsZJ_VSNijJh0U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAvsOe1YnMAhVLHD4KHdSUDKoQ6AEIQjAF#v=onepage&q=%22joan%20mellen%22%20stephen%20lemann&f=false

?..

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/C%20Disk/Core%20Jesse/Item%2008.pdf


Link: Background, from Jim DiEugenio:


Page 2: http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/M%20Disk/May%20Hoke%20Notes/Item%2005.pdf



One year after this 1946 society page clipping, David Baldwin's mother-in-law Mildred Lyons married Monte Leman,
becoming the stepmother of Stephen and Thomas Lemann...



Any possibility Hugh Aynesworth is a meaningless distraction, compared to the actual Zelig (Jesse Core) in the mystery of who Lee Harvey Oswald really was, and really did?

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Re: Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher - and her reply!
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Re: Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher - and her reply!
« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2020, 05:49:53 PM »
Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher

Sylvia Meagher was a supporter of Kerry Thornley and even donated money for his defense - Garrison had charged him with perjury for denying he met Oswald in New Orleans in September 1963.
Here is a letter from Thornley to Meagher, and her reply. It adds some color and details about their thinking of Garrison.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/blog

Thanks for posting  the link, Fred.    I've read Sylvia's book Accessories After the Fact  many times but I never realized that her core belief was Lee Oswald's innocence.    In her letter to Thornley  she clearly says that she believed that Lee Oswald was totally innocent.  I also believe that Lee was a gullible naive sucker who thought he was working undercover for J. Edgar Hoover.   

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Re: Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher - and her reply!
« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2020, 10:03:12 PM »
Thanks for posting  the link, Fred.    I've read Sylvia's book Accessories After the Fact  many times but I never realized that her core belief was Lee Oswald's innocence.    In her letter to Thornley  she clearly says that she believed that Lee Oswald was totally innocent.  I also believe that Lee was a gullible naive sucker who thought he was working undercover for J. Edgar Hoover.

Meagher thought the Dallas Police was largely behind the assassination and cover-up. Folks in the Northeast (Meagher was a New Yorker) had a low regard for Texas officials. Meagher was a Liberal who would readily assume Oswald was targeted because he had been in Russia, and that part of him being presented as the assassin was to discredit the left.

The Yankee and Cowboy War: Conspiracies from Dallas to Watergate by Carl Oglesby was a pretty good book. He basically split the powerful into two camps: Yankee (Northeast) and Cowboys (Texas and surroundings). Culturally, it's like today's Blue and Red States.

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Re: Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher - and her reply!
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Re: Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher - and her reply!
« Reply #67 on: December 07, 2020, 12:36:00 AM »
Fred, this is the opinion that inspired my search to confirm or debunk Garrison. The late Tom Purvis also described the importance in New Orleans society of the two leading secret societies, Rex and Comus.

"Rex" by Thomas H. Purvis :
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/4471-rex/

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Thomas H. Purvis, Posted 10 November 2005
Well, one can rest assured that I am not an "assassination buff", and being considerably more familiar with New Orleans than most others who are posting here, I can assure you that Garrison was a shrewd as well as politically knowledgeable individual.

Therefore, for him to sacrifice his own personal integrity with the Clay Shaw "Circus & Sideshow", was not an act of ignorance on his part.

Therefore, if it were not an act of ignorance, then it was obviously a deliberate "act".

In addition to this, one must also consider that Garrison was formerly one of "Hoover's" boys, and for him to give a performance which was as inept as was the Clay Shaw trial, also meant that it would bring some discredit to the "Hoover" family.

Therefore, whatever political entity Garrison was dancing to the tune of, he obviously considered it to be far more critical to his long term livelihood than was the risk of offending JEH, or of even bring completely false charges against Clay Shaw.

Certainly brings to mind such items as the "Spruce Goose" and the "Glomar Explorer".

Fred, Weissberg was charmed by Jesse Core, who seemed to be everywhere, from Core's wife being close to Edwin Walker's future landlord, and to Mac Wallace through the student protest group he led, to being Clay Shaw's confidant and the PR promoter of Garrison's campaign for NOLA D.A., as well as making sure Oswald was receiving media and FBI attention for distributing "Fair Play" pamphlets. Core and David Baldwin, Garrison's wife's godfather and first cousin, were both CIA serving together in India and former WWII fighter pilots, as well as postwar "cover" as journalists, before working back to back for Clay Shaw, Jesse Core taking the Trade Mart PR job after Baldwin accepted a position as AMA spokesman.

Weissberg:


Weissberg claimed the NOLA print shop owner and his assistant agreed after seeing a photo of Thornley, that it was Thornley who had picked up an order of "Fair Play" pamphlets, and not Oswald.

Thornley :


Thornley :


Clint Bolton, briefly at Princeton, had worked for AP in India. Dulles interrupted his Princeton stodies to spend a year in India. Dulles entered Princeton in the same year as Frank Churchward, the man responsible for sending Willard Robertson from CT to LA. Robertson was a 39 year old father of two with no clear career path, mens clothing retail sales in 1940, restaurant and bar manager near Yale campus, in early 1940s, when Churchward hired Robertson first as a factory worker and then promoted him as superintendent of manufacturing, under the eye of Naval procurement and ONI. Frank Churchward offered the Navy proprietary welding tech. Postwar, Churchward shifted production to Steel Kraft boats, a mix of foreign defense models and civilian boating lines, sending Robertson to NOLA to establish a southern sales branch. Robertson soon divorced and remarried to his 20+ years younger secretary, Marie Gossum, daughter of Ernest, manager of NOLA CC since 1925. Ernest Gossum served on Country Club committees with, and in golf tournaments with William P Burke. Both Burke and Lloyd Ray's obits include their membership at New Orleans Country Club, and Ray chose that club for a 1967 meeting with CIA's counsel, in reaction to Garrison's "inquiry".



Willard Robertson leased a Trade Mart office in the mid 1950s to promote a line of imported compact cars.

Nicholas B Lemann bashed Garrison in thecrimson at Harvard, as early as in 1973, and wrote the late 1990 GQ article that Stone and Zachary Sklar spent part of their book rebutting, and Perry Russo sued GQ publisher Conde Nast, in response to.

Lemann's first job, post Harvard, was at the desk next to Tom Bethel's at Washington Monthly.
Lemann's father, Thomas, brother of accused Garrison "CIA paymaster" Stephen B Lemann, step-brothers of David Baldwin's wife, Mildred Lyons Lemann.
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Tom Bethell
March 23, 2007
....Later, I would go uptown to see Brown, who is a part-owner of the Maple Leaf Bar, a prominent venue for live music. But as a preliminary step I paid a call on an old acquaintance, Thomas B. Lemann , a lawyer well known to the city’s establishment. He lives not far from Audubon Park in an area that was not flooded. Although he recently turned 80, he still practices law and nowadays has an office on the 50th floor of One Shell Square on Poydras Street.

Tommy Lemann, as he is called by nearly everyone, is a colorful figure with the air of a mandarin. He is married to the New Orleans novelist Sheila Bosworth, and he’s a great collector of facts on obscure topics—Scottish glens, these days.....

No disclaimer about working for Garrison and with Garrison basher and Thomas Lemann's son, Nicholas, or that Garrison had, in a letter to the FCC chairman, accused WDSU outside counsel of distributing funds for the CIA to pay lawyers to shield witnesses from Garrison's "inquiry". Both WDSU outside counsel, Stephen B Lemann, and his brother, Thomas were :




The best man in the 1927 of William P Burke was the close friend of USMC general Philip G Strong.
Both were well acquainted at Hill School in Pottstown with





Smartest two "in the room."



William P Burke's daughter, Constance Ivy, was "Queen of Comus" it is included on her findagrave page.:




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Princeton Alumni Weekly - Volume 55
WALKER B. SPENCER JR . '22 It was absolutely ... B. He roomed with Phil Strong his first two years , was on the crew squad and a member of Charter . Associated with the law firm ...

Not only did Philip G Strong attend Hill School with CD Jackson and Jackson's best friend, Parker-Lloyd Smith,
during a seemingly ill timed. 1936 "walking tour" of Europe and Russia, then USMC captain Strong toured Berlin
with the 1963 managing editor of Time magazine.:

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https://www.tor.com/2013/08/09/toby-barlow-cia-agent-babayaga/
I Never Knew My Grandfather, Only What He Pretended to Be ...
Aug 9, 2013 — His name is Philip Strong and he has boarded here in the Hamburg ... Although I possess a volume of his letters from this trip, letters I have ...
....What is Philip Strong doing here? Maybe it is a bit of self-motivated opportunism. Perhaps he senses history coming and is cleverly placing himself squarely in its path.

Once they arrive in Berlin, Leko will strike up an acquaintance with a fellow name Otto Fuerbringer. This Otto fellow knows Berlin well so they all start travelling around town together. Otto is a Kansas City reporter, tall and handsome, my grandfather reports, a Harvard man. One day he will become the managing editor of Time Magazine. These are the sorts of people idly wandering around Hitler’s Germany in 1937, visiting all the various art museums, gardens and zoos (“the keeper who did the animal feeding was a born comedian.”)...



General Philip G Strong, CIA Science Officer in 1954, has been nicknamed, "father of the U2"!
https://www.archives.gov/files/declassification/iscap/pdf/2014-004-doc01.pdf
Afterward Kelly Johnson noted that the civilian officials were very ... cupied when Philip Strong approached him in mid-May 1954 with the concept of tl1e proposed ... offer on behalf of General Chim1g's father, Generalissimo Chiang. Kai-shek.
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Re: Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher - and her reply!
« Reply #68 on: December 07, 2020, 12:18:44 PM »
Fred, this is the opinion that inspired my search to confirm or debunk Garrison. The late Tom Purvis also described the importance in New Orleans society of the two leading secret societies, Rex and Comus.

"Rex" by Thomas H. Purvis :
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/4471-rex/

Fred, Weissberg was charmed by Jesse Core, who seemed to be everywhere, from Core's wife being close to Edwin Walker's future landlord, and to Mac Wallace through the student protest group he led, to being Clay Shaw's confidant and the PR promoter of Garrison's campaign for NOLA D.A., as well as making sure Oswald was receiving media and FBI attention for distributing "Fair Play" pamphlets. Core and David Baldwin, Garrison's wife's godfather and first cousin, were both CIA serving together in India and former WWII fighter pilots, as well as postwar "cover" as journalists, before working back to back for Clay Shaw, Jesse Core taking the Trade Mart PR job after Baldwin accepted a position as AMA spokesman.

Weissberg:


Weissberg claimed the NOLA print shop owner and his assistant agreed after seeing a photo of Thornley, that it was Thornley who had picked up an order of "Fair Play" pamphlets, and not Oswald.

Thornley :


Thornley :


Clint Bolton, briefly at Princeton, had worked for AP in India. Dulles interrupted his Princeton stodies to spend a year in India. Dulles entered Princeton in the same year as Frank Churchward, the man responsible for sending Willard Robertson from CT to LA. Robertson was a 39 year old father of two with no clear career path, mens clothing retail sales in 1940, restaurant and bar manager near Yale campus, in early 1940s, when Churchward hired Robertson first as a factory worker and then promoted him as superintendent of manufacturing, under the eye of Naval procurement and ONI. Frank Churchward offered the Navy proprietary welding tech. Postwar, Churchward shifted production to Steel Kraft boats, a mix of foreign defense models and civilian boating lines, sending Robertson to NOLA to establish a southern sales branch. Robertson soon divorced and remarried to his 20+ years younger secretary, Marie Gossum, daughter of Ernest, manager of NOLA CC since 1925. Ernest Gossum served on Country Club committees with, and in golf tournaments with William P Burke. Both Burke and Lloyd Ray's obits include their membership at New Orleans Country Club, and Ray chose that club for a 1967 meeting with CIA's counsel, in reaction to Garrison's "inquiry".



Willard Robertson leased a Trade Mart office in the mid 1950s to promote a line of imported compact cars.

Nicholas B Lemann bashed Garrison in thecrimson at Harvard, as early as in 1973, and wrote the late 1990 GQ article that Stone and Zachary Sklar spent part of their book rebutting, and Perry Russo sued GQ publisher Conde Nast, in response to.

Lemann's first job, post Harvard, was at the desk next to Tom Bethel's at Washington Monthly.
Lemann's father, Thomas, brother of accused Garrison "CIA paymaster" Stephen B Lemann, step-brothers of David Baldwin's wife, Mildred Lyons Lemann.
No disclaimer about working for Garrison and with Garrison basher and Thomas Lemann's son, Nicholas, or that Garrison had, in a letter to the FCC chairman, accused WDSU outside counsel of distributing funds for the CIA to pay lawyers to shield witnesses from Garrison's "inquiry". Both WDSU outside counsel, Stephen B Lemann, and his brother, Thomas were :




The best man in the 1927 of William P Burke was the close friend of USMC general Philip G Strong.
Both were well acquainted at Hill School in Pottstown with





Smartest two "in the room."



William P Burke's daughter, Constance Ivy, was "Queen of Comus" it is included on her findagrave page.:




Not only did Philip G Strong attend Hill School with CD Jackson and Jackson's best friend, Parker-Lloyd Smith,
during a seemingly ill timed. 1936 "walking tour" of Europe and Russia, then USMC captain Strong toured Berlin
with the 1963 managing editor of Time magazine.:



General Philip G Strong, CIA Science Officer in 1954, has been nicknamed, "father of the U2"!
https://www.archives.gov/files/declassification/iscap/pdf/2014-004-doc01.pdf
Afterward Kelly Johnson noted that the civilian officials were very ... cupied when Philip Strong approached him in mid-May 1954 with the concept of tl1e proposed ... offer on behalf of General Chim1g's father, Generalissimo Chiang. Kai-shek.

Tom Purvis was the sh*t, and so are you, Tom.  The anomaly that delivers facts.  Thank you, sir+

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Re: Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher - and her reply!
« Reply #69 on: December 07, 2020, 03:45:16 PM »
Meagher thought the Dallas Police was largely behind the assassination and cover-up. Folks in the Northeast (Meagher was a New Yorker) had a low regard for Texas officials. Meagher was a Liberal who would readily assume Oswald was targeted because he had been in Russia, and that part of him being presented as the assassin was to discredit the left.

The Yankee and Cowboy War: Conspiracies from Dallas to Watergate by Carl Oglesby was a pretty good book. He basically split the powerful into two camps: Yankee (Northeast) and Cowboys (Texas and surroundings). Culturally, it's like today's Blue and Red States.


Meagher thought the Dallas Police was largely behind the assassination and cover-up.

I would agree with that ....  I think it's obvious.  However.... they wouldn't even have attempted the murder if they weren't certain that Hoover had their back.

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Was Oswald's Alias a Code for a Jack Ruby Stripper?
« Reply #70 on: December 11, 2020, 02:52:44 PM »
Was Oswald's Alias a Code for a Ruby Stripper?

OK, this story is just too ridiculous to believe. It demonstrates the gullibility of Jim Garrison. Sylvia Meagher was not impressed.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/blog

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Re: Was Oswald's Alias a Code for a Jack Ruby Stripper?
« Reply #71 on: December 11, 2020, 06:49:01 PM »
“Oswald’s alias”. LOL.

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