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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Was James Gochenaur a Credible Witness in "JFK Revisited"?
« Reply #688 on: December 06, 2021, 01:35:10 AM »
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I can't quite fully understand why most conspiracy theorists just don't
look upon the Backyard Photos as being genuine (which, of course, they
are), and then utilize the "CT" philosophy that these "real" photos
have aided the "Patsy" plan after the fact (i.e., after the shots were
fired by their "look-alike Oswald" on the 6th Floor of the Book
Depository on November 22, 1963).
David Von Pein
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/backyard-photos.html
Try and understand...maybe someday  :)

Let me say this. When David Von Pein was still on the Education Forum he was thanked by CTs for the resources at his site.
 Say what you want, his site is an amazing resource.
Full of tacky criticism and verbose insults...I understand that is why he was removed from the ED.


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Re: Was James Gochenaur a Credible Witness in "JFK Revisited"?
« Reply #688 on: December 06, 2021, 01:35:10 AM »


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Re: Was James Gochenaur a Credible Witness in "JFK Revisited"?
« Reply #689 on: December 06, 2021, 01:58:46 AM »
Full of tacky criticism and verbose insults...I understand that is why he was removed from the ED.

Jerry,

Your "understanding" is not correct. He was removed because the "powers that be" decided that his archiving of debates on his website that he had at EF with DiEugenio and others violated forum policy even though he had been doing it for some time before anyone complained.

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #690 on: December 06, 2021, 02:51:23 AM »
Yes it would. And the same goes for you.

You would be making a complete fool of yourself with BS like your claim of Callaway putting Tippit in the ambulance before making his radio call.

Too bad you will always find a way to weasel out of a face to face meeting. Your recent videos show that you love to hear yourself talk and your need to be in control of the discussion which is most likely why you want to hide behind a zoom meeting with the possibility of "technical difficulties" whenever something comes up you don't like.


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Yes it would. And the same goes for you.

The difference is I'm serious about debating you while you're doing nothing more than putting up a false front with unreasonable travel demands, etc...


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You would be making a complete fool of yourself with BS like your claim of Callaway putting Tippit in the ambulance before making his radio call.

Nah.

You just don't know how to read and correctly decipher the testimonial record combined with the police tapes; an obvious characteristic (and fault) of yours.


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Too bad you will always find a way to weasel out of a face to face meeting. Your recent videos show that you love to hear yourself talk and your need to be in control of the discussion which is most likely why you want to hide behind a zoom meeting with the possibility of "technical difficulties" whenever something comes up you don't like.

More false fronts.

I have never "weaseled out of a face to face meeting with you".  I've said close to a half dozen times now to let me know the next time you're in the States.  You know how impractical this "face to face" scenario is and therefore you count on it to make it seem like you're game, which you clearly are not.  If you were game, you'd agree to doing some sort of a debate on a podcast THIS WEEK (but everyone here knows you will not do this).

The sad part is that (for some unknown reason) you believe you're smarter than everyone else and you believe that no one else can see the false bravado you're putting up (with the "just tell me when and where" bullspombleprofglidnoctobuns).  The reality is that everyone reading this can see through you.

The only person falling back on "technical difficulties" is you.

This is real simple.  Debate me THIS WEEK.  A host can be easily found.  You won't, though.

« Last Edit: December 06, 2021, 02:52:31 AM by Bill Brown »

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #691 on: December 06, 2021, 02:55:25 AM »
Fred, apologies for the hi-jacking of your thread.

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Re: Was James Gochenaur a Credible Witness in "JFK Revisited"?
« Reply #692 on: December 06, 2021, 04:20:27 AM »
From the Litwin article..
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Gochenaur was not a direct witness to anything....
So?
Neither was Jesse Curry, Henry Wade, Ruth Paine, George or Jeanne De Mohrenschildt, Eva Grant, Robert or Marguerite Oswald or even Marina Oswald who... without her forced testimony against Lee----the Warren Commissioners would have had quite the feeble case.
  Among direct witnesses who should have been called--Hugh Aynesworth and William Alexander.

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Re: Was James Gochenaur a Credible Witness in "JFK Revisited"?
« Reply #692 on: December 06, 2021, 04:20:27 AM »


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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #693 on: December 06, 2021, 12:57:05 PM »

The difference is I'm serious about debating you while you're doing nothing more than putting up a false front with unreasonable travel demands, etc...


Yeah right. A serious debate would not be about winning or losing. It would be an exchange of arguments and a willingness to be persuaded by the opponents arguments whenever they have merit. You clearly have a different goal;


But I could beat your ass any day in an online debate.


Notice how he sneaks in "an online debate". That's the weasel at work, because he knows that online he has more flexibility to manipulate the conversation than during the face to face debate I actually proposed.

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Nah.

You just don't know how to read and correctly decipher the testimonial record combined with the police tapes; an obvious characteristic (and fault) of yours.


Lol, mr "Superior". You can't control it, can you now? You feel yourself to be far superior than anybody else. And yet, your entire Callaway BS has to start with a bogus claim that the witness (Callaway) was confused and wrong when he gave testimony, as if that was the only time he said it and as if his was the only witness testimony available.

No matter that the facts do not support your claim and/or that you can not produce, based on all the combined witness testimony, a coherent timeline that actually works for your claim. Come to think of it; there is a clear comparison between you and the My Pillow Guy; both make a bogus claim and constantly say they have the evidence to back it up, but never ever produce it.

The best indicator that your entire claim is bogus is the fact that you have failed completely to explain it in detail. You never got anywhere beyond a personal insult and a cop out.


I didn't go wrong anywhere.  You don't know what you're talking about.  Your issue, not mine.  It's all in the police tapes.  Go have a listen.

Learn the case.


If all else fails, you can always go check out the police tapes.  They'll tell you that the body was loaded BEFORE Callaway got on the radio and the ambulance was leaving as he was on the radio.



It's all laid out for you if you just go read the transcripts of the police tapes.  It really isn't my problem if you cannot comprehend what you're looking at.


Notice mr "Superior" at work?

And notice also that he went from "it's all in the police tapes" to it being in "the testimonial record combined with the police tapes" (see above). If it was in the testimonial record, he could just point to it and explain what he was talking about. He never did.... Go figure!

Instead he simply changes his story, contradicting himself in the process;


The police tapes obviously don't mention the body being loaded into the ambulance, but the tapes do tell us when the ambulance was leaving the scene en route to Methodist Hospital.  The tapes tell us that the ambulance was leaving the scene as Callaway was making his report on the squad car radio.


The tapes tell us no such thing. The combined witnesses testimony proves beyond any doubt to a reasonable person that Callaway helped put Tippit in the ambulance after he made his radio call, but this is typical Brown. Make a bogus claim and never defend or explain it. Just say it's somewhere in the evidence (in this case the police tapes) and insult the opponent. And when the claim can't be maintained anymore, just modify the claim. In a face to face debate he wouldn't get that opportunity, which is why he is using excuses to run from it as fast as he can.

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More false fronts.

I have never "weaseled out of a face to face meeting with you".  I've said close to a half dozen times now to let me know the next time you're in the States.  You know how impractical this "face to face" scenario is and therefore you count on it to make it seem like you're game, which you clearly are not.  If you were game, you'd agree to doing some sort of a debate on a podcast THIS WEEK (but everyone here knows you will not do this).


I have never "weaseled out of a face to face meeting with you"

Says he, while weaseling out of a face to face meeting again!

You know how impractical this "face to face" scenario is

It's only impractical for you because you don't like it. You prefer to hide behind a keyboard and a screen. However, as I would be the one paying for the whole thing, it's going to be on my terms or not at all.

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The sad part is that (for some unknown reason) you believe you're smarter than everyone else and you believe that no one else can see the false bravado you're putting up (with the "just tell me when and where" bullspombleprofglidnoctobuns).  The reality is that everyone reading this can see through you.

The only person falling back on "technical difficulties" is you.


The sad part is that (for some unknown reason) you believe you're smarter than everyone else

Wrong. The really sad part is that your paranoid mind thinks this, when I have never said anything of the kind. You on the other hand do it all the time;


But I could beat your ass any day in an online debate.


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You just don't know how to read and correctly decipher the testimonial record combined with the police tapes; an obvious characteristic (and fault) of yours.



It really isn't my problem if you cannot comprehend what you're looking at.


Shall I post some more of your belittling comments or do you get the picture?

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This is real simple.  Debate me THIS WEEK.  A host can be easily found.  You won't, though.

Of course I won't. You know this, as I have said it before. It's not part of the offer I made to you and you don't get to change the rules, simply because you don't like my conditions. Your videos show clearly that you are the kind of guy who always wants to get things his way. You desperately need to control the narrative and you can't do that face to face. That's why you want to hide behind a screen and a keyboard.
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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #694 on: December 06, 2021, 04:13:52 PM »
Yeah right. A serious debate would not be about winning or losing. It would be an exchange of arguments and a willingness to be persuaded by the opponents arguments whenever they have merit. You clearly have a different goal;

Notice how he sneaks in "an online debate". That's the weasel at work, because he knows that online he has more flexibility to manipulate the conversation than during the face to face debate I actually proposed.

Lol, mr "Superior". You can't control it, can you now? You feel yourself to be far superior than anybody else. And yet, your entire Callaway BS has to start with a bogus claim that the witness (Callaway) was confused and wrong when he gave testimony, as if that was the only time he said it and as if his was the only witness testimony available.

No matter that the facts do not support your claim and/or that you can not produce, based on all the combined witness testimony, a coherent timeline that actually works for your claim. Come to think of it; there is a clear comparison between you and the My Pillow Guy; both make a bogus claim and constantly say they have the evidence to back it up, but never ever produce it.

The best indicator that your entire claim is bogus is the fact that you have failed completely to explain it in detail. You never got anywhere beyond a personal insult and a cop out.

Notice mr "Superior" at work?

And notice also that he went from "it's all in the police tapes" to it being in "the testimonial record combined with the police tapes" (see above). If it was in the testimonial record, he could just point to it and explain what he was talking about. He never did.... Go figure!

Instead he simply changes his story, contradicting himself in the process;

The tapes tell us no such thing. The combined witnesses testimony proves beyond any doubt to a reasonable person that Callaway helped put Tippit in the ambulance after he made his radio call, but this is typical Brown. Make a bogus claim and never defend or explain it. Just say it's somewhere in the evidence (in this case the police tapes) and insult the opponent. And when the claim can't be maintained anymore, just modify the claim. In a face to face debate he wouldn't get that opportunity, which is why he is using excuses to run from it as fast as he can.

I have never "weaseled out of a face to face meeting with you"

Says he, while weaseling out of a face to face meeting again!

You know how impractical this "face to face" scenario is

It's only impractical for you because you don't like it. You prefer to hide behind a keyboard and a screen. However, as I would be the one paying for the whole thing, it's going to be on my terms or not at all.

The sad part is that (for some unknown reason) you believe you're smarter than everyone else

Wrong. The really sad part is that your paranoid mind thinks this, when I have never said anything of the kind. You on the other hand do it all the time;

Shall I post some more of your belittling comments or do you get the picture?

Of course I won't. You know this, as I have said it before. It's not part of the offer I made to you and you don't get to change the rules, simply because you don't like my conditions. Your videos show clearly that you are the kind of guy who always wants to get things his way. You desperately need to control the narrative and you can't do that face to face. That's why you want to hide behind a screen and a keyboard.

"Notice how he sneaks in "an online debate". That's the weasel at work, because he knows that online he has more flexibility to manipulate the conversation than during the face to face debate I actually proposed."

Bollocks.
You have exactly the same "flexibility to manipulate the conversation", whatever that means.

It is clear to one and all your "face to face"  BS: is to avoid being made an example of.


Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #695 on: December 06, 2021, 04:41:13 PM »
"Notice how he sneaks in "an online debate". That's the weasel at work, because he knows that online he has more flexibility to manipulate the conversation than during the face to face debate I actually proposed."

Bollocks.
You have exactly the same "flexibility to manipulate the conversation", whatever that means.

It is clear to one and all your "face to face"  BS: is to avoid being made an example of.

You mean like I made an example of your 4 TSBD conspirators BS?... Case of sour grapes, perhaps?


You have exactly the same "flexibility to manipulate the conversation", whatever that means.

Gotta love this level of ignorance  :D

You don't know what it means, but you have an opinion about it nevertheless..... Go figure!

Btw just in case you bother to reply (as you likely will), I have no desire to enter into a discussion with you on this subject.


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« Reply #695 on: December 06, 2021, 04:41:13 PM »