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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Josiah Thompson on Jim Garrison
« Reply #88 on: March 26, 2021, 08:31:20 PM »
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Who are these non-Americans who are in control? And in control of what? America?
This is the conspiracy "history" that we have to deal with. Things like JFK was going to end the Cold War or dismantle the "national security state" or pull out of Vietnam.

And these secret "non-Americans" silenced him to prevent that. See, there's really a cabal that is controlling things.

We can talk about the Z film or the autopsy or a dozen and one other things about the assassination but that won't work. That is because we are trying to reason with people who think this all powerful cabal really runs things. And they can literally do anything.

You can't reason with this worldview.


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Re: Josiah Thompson on Jim Garrison
« Reply #89 on: March 26, 2021, 08:37:55 PM »
This is the conspiracy "history" that we have to deal with. Things like JFK was going to end the Cold War or dismantle the "national security state" or pull out of Vietnam.

And these secret "non-Americans" silenced him to prevent that. See, there's really a cabal that is controlling things.

We can talk about the Z film or the autopsy or a dozen and one other things about the assassination but that won't work. That is because we are trying to reason with people who think this all powerful cabal really runs things. And they can literally do anything.

You can't reason with this worldview.

”John F. Kennedy was murdered because he was genuinely seeking peace in a corrupt world. It is doubtful whether anyone in our time quite so young has ever done quite so much for peace on this earth.”

/Jim Garrison

District Attorney
New Orleans

Researcher Paul Bleau has mentioned some of the consequences caused by the assassination of President Kennedy, quote: “The JFK assassination was arguably the most important one in the last century. We are still feeling the aftershocks, quite intensely actually. The pillars of U.S. democracy cracked at the seams in 1963. An elected and popular president was taken out, for the benefit of so few. A masquerade of law and order was put in place by the benefactors. The fourth estate shamed itself by choosing the side of the winners. Historians brainwashed decades of young students by parroting the Warren Commission fairytale. In power behind the scenes and emboldened, the perpetrators were pulling the strings on a number of political assassinations that followed, unholy drug and arms deals, political dirty tricks, coups and wars, Wall Street money games, and other major scandals that came in waves and went unpunished. You know something is wrong when the people responsible for millions of deaths in Vietnam alone, trillions of dollars in damages and inequalities in the world’s most powerful country are living the life of Riley, while at the same time four white cops took George Floyd’s life because of a fake 20 dollar bill.” - End quote.

From ”Government of the people, by the people, for the people." To "Government of big business, by big business, for big business.."

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Re: Josiah Thompson on Jim Garrison
« Reply #90 on: March 26, 2021, 10:57:54 PM »
”John F. Kennedy was murdered because he was genuinely seeking peace in a corrupt world. It is doubtful whether anyone in our time quite so young has ever done quite so much for peace on this earth.”

/Jim Garrison

District Attorney
New Orleans

Researcher Paul Bleau has mentioned some of the consequences caused by the assassination of President Kennedy, quote: “The JFK assassination was arguably the most important one in the last century. We are still feeling the aftershocks, quite intensely actually. The pillars of U.S. democracy cracked at the seams in 1963. An elected and popular president was taken out, for the benefit of so few. A masquerade of law and order was put in place by the benefactors. The fourth estate shamed itself by choosing the side of the winners. Historians brainwashed decades of young students by parroting the Warren Commission fairytale. In power behind the scenes and emboldened, the perpetrators were pulling the strings on a number of political assassinations that followed, unholy drug and arms deals, political dirty tricks, coups and wars, Wall Street money games, and other major scandals that came in waves and went unpunished. You know something is wrong when the people responsible for millions of deaths in Vietnam alone, trillions of dollars in damages and inequalities in the world’s most powerful country are living the life of Riley, while at the same time four white cops took George Floyd’s life because of a fake 20 dollar bill.” - End quote.

From ”Government of the people, by the people, for the people." To "Government of big business, by big business, for big business.."

”Government of the people, by the people, for the people."

That may have been the noble intent of the founders....   But has it ever been practiced in the era of electronic manipulation of the people?   In the day when citizens read and assimilated the information being presented by news papers,  the people had a chance to become informed.....  but in this era of instant "news" a staged event can easily deceive the viewer.   

Just as a few agents provocateurs accomplished in Washington .......   

I believe the citizens of US are more deeply divided  now then at the end of the civil war..... and our nation is in serious trouble.   


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Re: Josiah Thompson on Jim Garrison
« Reply #91 on: March 27, 2021, 09:01:11 PM »
”John F. Kennedy was murdered because he was genuinely seeking peace in a corrupt world. It is doubtful whether anyone in our time quite so young has ever done quite so much for peace on this earth.”

/Jim Garrison

District Attorney
New Orleans

Researcher Paul Bleau has mentioned some of the consequences caused by the assassination of President Kennedy, quote: “The JFK assassination was arguably the most important one in the last century. We are still feeling the aftershocks, quite intensely actually. The pillars of U.S. democracy cracked at the seams in 1963. An elected and popular president was taken out, for the benefit of so few. A masquerade of law and order was put in place by the benefactors. The fourth estate shamed itself by choosing the side of the winners. Historians brainwashed decades of young students by parroting the Warren Commission fairytale. In power behind the scenes and emboldened, the perpetrators were pulling the strings on a number of political assassinations that followed, unholy drug and arms deals, political dirty tricks, coups and wars, Wall Street money games, and other major scandals that came in waves and went unpunished. You know something is wrong when the people responsible for millions of deaths in Vietnam alone, trillions of dollars in damages and inequalities in the world’s most powerful country are living the life of Riley, while at the same time four white cops took George Floyd’s life because of a fake 20 dollar bill.” - End quote.

From ”Government of the people, by the people, for the people." To "Government of big business, by big business, for big business.."
If you believe that the Soviets and Mao and Castro and North Vietnam all wanted to "make peace" with the US but it was the evil militarists in the US that prevented this then I think you are completely wrong. It's been more than 25 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union. We know what they wanted to do. And it wasn't to make peace with the West.

This is the Garrisonite view. All of the Cold War was caused by the US; the communists were completely innocent in causing the conflict.

History shows that Mr. Garrison was completely wrong. And there is no evidence whatsoever that JFK was going to dramatically change American foreign policy. He was not fooled by the Soviets the way Henry Wallace was. But even Wallace later admitted that the communists couldn't be trusted. He realized later the danger they posed.

JFK wasn't an idiot. He was an anti-communist. He wanted to try and minimize the threat of a war with Moscow. But he wasn't a fool; he knew the intentions of the communists. As he was going to say the day he was assassinated:

"We in this country, in this generation, are – by destiny rather than choice – the watchmen on the walls of world freedom. We ask, therefore, that we may be worthy of our power and responsibility, that we may exercise our strength with wisdom and restraint, and that we may achieve in our time and for all time the ancient vision of "peace on earth, good will toward men." That must always be our goal, and the righteousness of our cause must always underlie our strength. For as was written long ago: "except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."

The US was the watchman for freedom. A freedom that was threatened by communism. That's what JFK said and what he thought. And all of this nonsense from Garrison is just that: nonsense.
   

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Re: Josiah Thompson on Jim Garrison
« Reply #92 on: March 28, 2021, 02:15:47 AM »

This is the Garrisonite view. All of the Cold War was caused by the US. History shows that Mr. Garrison was completely wrong. The US was the watchman for freedom..

"Freedom" provided by the U.S...

The United States has sent troops abroad or militarily struck other countries' territory 216 times since independence from Britain. Since 1945 the U.S has intervened in more than 20 countries throughout the world. Since World War II, the United States actually dropped BOMBS ON 23 COUNTRIES. These include: China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo 1964, Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala 1967-69, Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s, Nicaragua 1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan 1998, and Yugoslavia 1999. Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20 different coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a dozen assassinations of political heads of state.

The following is a comprehensive summary of the imperialist strategy of the United States over the span of the past century: Argentina-1890-Troops sent to Buenos Aires to protect business interests.  Chile-1891- Marines sent to Chile and clashed with nationalist rebels. Haiti-1891-American troops suppress a revolt by Black workers on United States-claimed Navassa Island. Hawaii-1893-Navy sent to Hawaii to overthrow the independent kingdom-Hawaii annexed by the United States.  Nicaragua-1894-Troops occupied Bluefields, a city on the Caribbean Sea, for a month. China-1894-95-Navy, Army, and Marines landed during the Sino-JapaneseWar. Korea-1894-96 Troops kept in Seoul during the war. Panama-1895-Army, Navy, and Marines landed in the port city of Corinto. China-1894-1900-Troops occupied China during the Boxer Rebellion. Philippines-1898-1910-Navy and Army troops landed after the Philippines fell during the Spanish-American War; 600,000 Filipinos were killed. Cuba-1898-1902-Troops seized Cuba in the Spanish-American War; the United States still maintains troops at Guantanamo Bay today. Puerto Rico-1898-present-Troops seized Puerto Rico in the Spanish-American War and still occupies Puerto Rico today.

Nicaragua-1898-Marines landed at the port of San Juan del Sur. Samoa-1899-Troops landed as a result over the battle for succession to the throne. Panama 1901-14 Navy supported the revolution when Panama claimed independence from Colombia. American troops have occupied the Canal Zone since 1901 when construction for the canal began. Honduras-1903 Marines landed to intervene during a revolution. Dominican Rep-1903-04 Troops landed to protect American interestsduring a revolution. Korea 1904-05 Marines landed during the Russo-Japanese War. Cuba-1906-09-Troops landed during an election. Nicaragua-1907- Troops landed and a protectorate was set up. Honduras-1907-Marines landed during Honduras war with Nicaragua. Panama-1908-Marines sent in during Panama's election.

Nicaragua-1910-Marines landed for a second time in Bluefields and Corinto. Honduras-1911-Troops sent in to protect American interests during Honduras' civil war. China-1911-41-Navy and troops sent to China during continuous flare-ups.  Cuba-1912-Troops sent in to protect American interests in Havana. Panama-1912-Marines landed during Panama's election. Honduras-1912-Troops sent in to protect American interests. Nicaragua-1912-33-Troops occupied Nicaragua and fought guerrillas during its 20-year civil war. Mexico-1913-Navy evacuated Americans during revolution. Dominican Rep-1914 Navy fought with rebels over Santo Domingo. Mexico-1914-18-Navy and troops sent in to intervene against nationalists. Haiti-1914-34-Troops occupied Haiti after arevolution and occupied Haiti for 19 years. Dominican Rep-1916-24-Marines occupied the Dominican Republic for eight years. Cuba-1917-33-Troops landed and occupied Cuba for 16 years; Cuba became an economic protectorate. 

World War I -1917-18 - Navy and Army sent to Europe to fight the Axis powers. Russia 1918-22 Navy and troops sent to eastern Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution; Army made five landings. Honduras-1919 Marines sent during Honduras' national elections. Guatemala 1920 Troops occupied Guatemala for two weeks during a union strike.Turkey 1922 Troops fought nationalists in Smyrna. China 1922-27 Navy and Army troops deployed during a nationalist revolt. Honduras 1924-25 Troops landed twice during a national election.   Panama 1925 - Troops sent in to put down a general strike. China 1927-34 Marines sent in and stationed for seven years throughout China. El Salvador-1932 Naval warships deployed during the FMLN revolt under Marti. World War II 1941-45 Military fought the Axis powers: Japan, Germany, and Italy. Yugoslavia 1946-Navy deployed off the coast of Yugoslavia in response to the downing of an American plane. Uruguay-1947-Bombers deployed as a show of military force. Greece 1947-49 United States operations insured a victory for the far right in national "elections." Germany -1948 Military deployed in response to the Berlin blockade; the Berlin airlift lasts 444 days. Philippines-1948-54 The CIA directed a civil war against the Filipino Huk revolt. Puerto Rico-1950-Military helped crush an independence rebellion in Ponce. Korean War 1951-53 Military sent in during the war.  

Iran-1953-The CIA orchestrated the overthrow of democratically elected Mossadegh and restored the Shah to power. Vietnam-1954-The United States offered weapons to the French in the battle against Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh. Guatemala-1954-The CIA overthrew the democratically elected Arbenz and placed Colonel Armas in power. Egypt-1956-Marines deployed to evacuate foreigners after Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal. Lebanon-1958-Navy supported an Army occupation of Lebanon during its civil war.   Panama-1958-Troops landed after Panamanians demonstrations threatened the Canal Zone. Vietnam-1950s-75-Vietnam War. Cuba-1961-The CIA-directed Bay of Pigs invasions failed to overthrow the Castro government. Cuba-1962-The Navy quarantines Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Laos-1962 Military occupied Laos during its civil war against the Pathet Lao guerrillas. Panama-1964-Troops sent in and Panamanians shot while protesting the United States presence in the Canal Zone. Indonesia-1965-The CIA orchestrated a military coup. Dominican Rep -1965-66- Troops deployed during a national election. Guatemala-1966-67-Green Berets sent in. Cambodia-1969-75-Military sent in after the VietnamWar expanded into Cambodia. Oman-1970-Marines landed to direct a possible invasion into Iran. Laos-1971-75-Americans carpet-bomb the countryside during Laos' civil war.

Chile-1973-The CIA orchestrated a coup, killing President Allende who had been popularly elected. The CIA helped to establish a military regime under General Pinochet.   Cambodia-1975-Twenty-eight Americans killed in an effort to retrieve the crew of the Mayaquez, which had been seized. Angola-1976-92- The CIA backed South African rebels fighting against Marxist Angola. Iran -1980- Americans aborted a rescue attempt to liberate 52 hostages seized in the Teheran embassy. Libya-1981-American fighters shoot down two Libyan fighters.   El Salvador-198-92-The CIA, troops, and advisers aid in El Salvador's war against the FMLN. Nicaragua-1981-90-The CIA and NSC directed the Contra War against the Sandinistas. Lebanon-1982-84-Marines occupied Beirut during Lebanon's civil war; 241 were killed in the American barracks and Reagan "redeployed" the troops to the Mediterranean. Honduras-1983-89-Troops sent in to build bases near the Honduran border. Grenada-1983-84-American invasion overthrew the Maurice Bishop government.

Iran-1984-American fighters shot down two Iranian planes over the Persian Gulf. Libya-1986-American fighters hit targets in and around the capital city of Tripoli.   Bolivia-1986-The Army assisted government troops on raids of cocaine areas.   Iran-1987-88-The United States intervened on the side of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War. Libya-1989-Navy shot down two more Libyan jets.   Virgin Islands-1989-Troops landed during unrest among Virgin Island peoples. Philippines -1989-Air Force provided air cover for government during coup. Panama-1989-90-27,000 Americans landed in overthrow of President Noriega; over 2,000 Panama civilians were killed. Liberia-1990-Troops entered Liberia to evacuate foreigners during civil war. Saudi Arabia-1990-91American troops sent to Saudi Arabia, which was a staging area in the war against Iraq. Kuwait-1991-Troops sent into Kuwait to turn back Saddam Hussein. Somalia-1992-94-Troops occupied Somalia during civil war. Bosnia-1993-95-Air Force jets bombed "no-fly zone" during civil war in Yugoslavia. Haiti-1994-96-American troops and Navy provided a blockade against Haiti's military government. The CIA restored Aristide to power. Zaire-1996-97-Marines sent into Rwanda Hutus' refugee camps in the area where the Congo revolution began.   Albania-1997-Troops deployed during evacuation of foreigners.   Sudan-1998-American missiles destroyed a pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas components were manufactured. Afghanistan-1998-Missiles launched towards alleged Afghan terrorist training camps.

The U.S. Government has been involved in assassination plots of prominent foreign leaders since the end of Second World War.


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Re: Josiah Thompson on Jim Garrison
« Reply #93 on: March 28, 2021, 07:02:27 PM »
Henry Wallace, in 1952, said this (from his essay "Where I Was Wrong"):

"Before 1949 I thought Russia really wanted and needed peace. After 1949 I became more and more disgusted with the Soviet methods and finally became convinced that the Politburo wanted the Cold War continued indefinitely, even at the peril of accidentally provoking a hot war."

Further: "Russia may not want a hot war in the next ten years, but she certainly wants such a continuation of the Cold War as will enable her, through her satellites and internally-planted subversives, to take over the greatest amount of territory possible. Russia is still on the march, and the question now is whether she will be able to take over all of Asia, including India and the Near East."

That's the real Henry Wallace, not the self-admitted mistaken person who previously "thought" shortly after that war that Russia was still our ally and wanted peace. They didn't. He came to realize that (he called the Soviet Union "utterly evil") as he admits above.

JFK may have wanted peace; he certainly didn't want, as he showed in the missile crisis, a direct conflict with the Soviet Union, a conflict that could lead to nuclear catastrophe. His problem, and ours, was that he didn't have the only vote on the matter.

By the way, one of the advisers to Wallace - in fact, his chief counsel - when he ran for president in 1948 was one John Abt. Yes, the same John Abt who was a lifelong member of the Communist Party (although he denied it for decades) and who was a member of the Soviet spy cell the "Ware group". And the man that Oswald wanted as his attorney.

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Re: Josiah Thompson on Jim Garrison
« Reply #94 on: March 29, 2021, 07:55:04 PM »
Henry Wallace, in 1952, said this (from his essay "Where I Was Wrong"):

"Before 1949 I thought Russia really wanted and needed peace. After 1949 I became more and more disgusted with the Soviet methods and finally became convinced that the Politburo wanted the Cold War continued indefinitely, even at the peril of accidentally provoking a hot war."

Further: "Russia may not want a hot war in the next ten years, but she certainly wants such a continuation of the Cold War as will enable her, through her satellites and internally-planted subversives, to take over the greatest amount of territory possible. Russia is still on the march, and the question now is whether she will be able to take over all of Asia, including India and the Near East."

That's the real Henry Wallace not the naive person who before "thought" Russia wanted peace. They didn't.

JFK may have wanted peace; the problem was he didn't have the only vote on the matter.

By the way, one of the advisers to Wallace when he ran for president in 1948 was one John Abt. Yes, the same John Abt who was a lifelong member of the Communist Party (although he denied it for decades) and a member of the Soviet spy cell the "Ware group". And the man that Oswald wanted as his attorney.

John Abt who was a lifelong member of the Communist Party (although he denied it for decades) and a member of the Soviet spy cell the "Ware group". And the man that Oswald wanted as his attorney.

Are you aware that Lee Oswald was presenting a false image when he portrayed himself as a "communist"... And since that is a fact , then don't you think that he would logically request that Abt represent him in court?   

The question is WHEN did Abt admit that he was a "life long member of the communist party" ??     Did Lee Oswald know that Abt was a member of the communist party?   

But the real question is:    WHO told Lee to request that Abt to be his attorney??

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Eladio del Valle was murdered in Miami in February 1967. Conspiracy theorists claim he was
David Ferrie's paymaster. If you want to know the truth, check out my post.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-eladio-del-valle-david-ferrie-s-paymaster

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