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Offline Denis Pointing

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2020, 10:41:11 PM »
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Do you have a source of Ruby saying he thought he would be treated as a hero? I always thought that was just other people assuming that is what Ruby was thinking.

There's many 'assumptions' from family and friends. Assumptions or insights from people that knew Ruby well? All easily found via GOOGLE. And then there's Tonahill, Ruby's lawyer and Jim Leavelle. One example from Leavelle, whilst escorting Ruby to the Dallas County Jail Leavelle asked Ruby why he did it, Ruby replied:

''I wanted to be a hero. It looks like I fucked things up.''

From Leavelle:
" he just wanted to be a hero. He wanted to have the glory of killing the man who killed a beloved president. Ruby thought he’d be arrested and charged, but he thought the Grand Jury wouldn’t indict him. Or if they did, he wouldn’t get more than a few years. Then he’d return to his night club, where people would come from far and wide to be seen at the club owned and operated by a legend."

From Tonahill:
“Ruby considered himself a hero. He thought he had done a great service for the community."
« Last Edit: October 25, 2020, 11:01:35 PM by Denis Pointing »

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2020, 10:41:11 PM »


Offline Gerry Down

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2020, 10:55:16 PM »
There's plenty of sources Gerry, including Tonahill, Ruby's lawyer and Jim Leavelle. All easily found via GOOGLE. One example from Leavelle, whilst escorting Ruby to the Dallas County Jail Leavelle asked Ruby why he did it, Ruby replied:

''I wanted to be a hero. It looks like I fucked things up.''

From Leavelle:
" he just wanted to be a hero. He wanted to have the glory of killing the man who killed a beloved president. Ruby thought he’d be arrested and charged, but he thought the Grand Jury wouldn’t indict him. Or if they did, he wouldn’t get more than a few years. Then he’d return to his night club, where people would come from far and wide to be seen at the club owned and operated by a legend."

From Tonahill:
“Ruby considered himself a hero. He thought he had done a great service for the community."

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2020, 09:55:21 PM »
There's many 'assumptions' from family and friends. Assumptions or insights from people that knew Ruby well? All easily found via GOOGLE. And then there's Tonahill, Ruby's lawyer and Jim Leavelle. One example from Leavelle, whilst escorting Ruby to the Dallas County Jail Leavelle asked Ruby why he did it, Ruby replied:

''I wanted to be a hero. It looks like I fucked things up.''

From Leavelle:
" he just wanted to be a hero. He wanted to have the glory of killing the man who killed a beloved president. Ruby thought he’d be arrested and charged, but he thought the Grand Jury wouldn’t indict him. Or if they did, he wouldn’t get more than a few years. Then he’d return to his night club, where people would come from far and wide to be seen at the club owned and operated by a legend."

From Tonahill:
“Ruby considered himself a hero. He thought he had done a great service for the community."

He even describes himself as a "martyr" in his mind-blowing WC testimony.
If, as it seems, Ruby just acted on the moment, try to imagine the countless hours spent by countless researchers trying to join dots that just don't join. There's a lesson there.

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
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Offline Denis Pointing

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2020, 10:21:04 PM »
He even describes himself as a "martyr" in his mind-blowing WC testimony.
If, as it seems, Ruby just acted on the moment, try to imagine the countless hours spent by countless researchers trying to join dots that just don't join. There's a lesson there.

Yeah, and the reason for it is lazy 'researchers' keep repeating the same old crap decade after decade in CT books, when if they just stopped plagiarising each other and actually sat down and carried out a little research they'd find the 'facts' they're regurgitating were disproved years ago, which is why I got so pissed off with Griffiths a while back.

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2020, 03:55:54 AM »
Ruby and Tippit were going to be inplicated in a conspiracy to kill JFK. The DPD and Ruby both needed the patsy dead.

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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2020, 11:24:00 PM »
Ruby and Tippit were going to be inplicated in a conspiracy to kill JFK. The DPD and Ruby both needed the patsy dead.

What was Ruby's role in the assassination of JFK?

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2020, 01:43:50 AM »
To make sure that the patsy was killed right after the assasination.
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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2020, 07:50:25 AM »
To make sure that the patsy was killed right after the assasination.

But in your post you were saying that Ruby needed Oswald dead because he (Ruby) was going to be implicated in the conspiracy to kill JFK.