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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: The Bus Stop Farce
« Reply #152 on: November 27, 2020, 06:50:37 PM »
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Most people can't take in everything at once. But clothing wouldn't exactly be top priority in a scene with shots fired and a guy with a gun walking by.

Yet they still described the jacket instead of saying they didn't get a good look... Go figure

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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #153 on: November 27, 2020, 08:36:23 PM »


When you falsely claim that John Iacoletti has denied that Oswald had a revolver, yes you do have to show that.

Officer McDonald provided evidence of Oswald pulling his gun out. Witness testimony is evidence.

Yes, yes... we all know what McDonald said. And we also know that Fritz wrote in his notes that Oswald admitted that he carried a revolver. But which revolver, that's the question

Dishonest John I. has denied that Oswald had a gun when arrested.  "Except he wasn't carrying a gun when he was arrested.  And how do you know those shells were even found at the crime scene?"

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,202.msg4394.html#msg4394

Online Gerry Down

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Re: The Bus Stop Farce
« Reply #154 on: November 27, 2020, 08:44:51 PM »
Dishonest John I. has denied that Oswald had a gun when arrested.  "Except he wasn't carrying a gun when he was arrested.  And how do you know those shells were even found at the crime scene?"

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,202.msg4394.html#msg4394

How can you argue with someone that denies basic facts. Several of the police officers in the Texas theatre describe Oswald as having a pistol. And Oswald admitted to having a pistol to Will Fritz.

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Online Richard Smith

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Re: The Bus Stop Farce
« Reply #155 on: November 27, 2020, 09:01:49 PM »
How can you argue with someone that denies basic facts. Several of the police officers in the Texas theatre describe Oswald as having a pistol. And Oswald admitted to having a pistol to Will Fritz.

You can argue with them but it doesn't do any good!  They can't even keep track of their own claims.  For example, here the Brothers Dumb have claimed Oswald didn't have a pistol at all but then sometimes they claim he did but they suggest it was not the same one in evidence later but then they claim even the "planted" pistol can't be connected to the Tippit murder.  So why plant it if it doesn't link Oswald to the crime?  But they still won't admit to being CTers while suggesting all this fakery of the evidence.  Who and why all this evidence was being planted to frame Oswald is just left to our imagination.  Round and round it goes down the rabbit hole. They are just playing the endless contrarians.
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: The Bus Stop Farce
« Reply #156 on: November 27, 2020, 10:37:49 PM »
Dishonest John I. has denied that Oswald had a gun when arrested.  "Except he wasn't carrying a gun when he was arrested.  And how do you know those shells were even found at the crime scene?"

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,202.msg4394.html#msg4394

Knowing you, I figured there was a good chance that you misrepresented what John actually said by taking it out of context.

John responded to a claim by Joe Elliott;
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Shells being found at the crime scene matching the gun he was carrying when arrested.

A little bit further in the same post, there's this exchance;

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Why was he found in the theater carrying a gun?

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Even that has very little evidentiary basis.  Basically you have to rely on McDonald who was known to embellish his role in the events of the day.  You know, one of those unreliable witnesses you've been talking about.  But let's assume that Oswald did have a gun in the theater.  This proves that he shot a cop...how exactly?

So, there is no denial on John's part that Oswald had a revolver. He merely feels there is very little evidentiary basis for that claim.

But I'm sure this difference goes right over your head

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: The Bus Stop Farce
« Reply #157 on: November 27, 2020, 10:49:53 PM »
You can argue with them but it doesn't do any good!  They can't even keep track of their own claims.  For example, here the Brothers Dumb have claimed Oswald didn't have a pistol at all but then sometimes they claim he did but they suggest it was not the same one in evidence later but then they claim even the "planted" pistol can't be connected to the Tippit murder.  So why plant it if it doesn't link Oswald to the crime?  But they still won't admit to being CTers while suggesting all this fakery of the evidence.  Who and why all this evidence was being planted to frame Oswald is just left to our imagination.  Round and round it goes down the rabbit hole. They are just playing the endless contrarians.

For example, here the Brothers Dumb have claimed Oswald didn't have a pistol at all

If you childish name calling refers to me, your "example" is a pretty stupid and dishonest one, because I have never claimed Oswald didn't have a pistol at the Texas Theater.

they suggest it was not the same one in evidence later but then they claim even the "planted" pistol can't be connected to the Tippit murder. 

I'm not sure that you are even sure what it is you are claiming here, but it most certainly isn't the actual truth. I have stated that the revolver now in evidence as CE 143 was not presented to the evidence locker - as it should have been - when Oswald was brought into the station, despite the fact that the officer who allegedly carried it was in the same car as Oswald. Instead, that same officer produced a revolver to some officers at the DPD lunchroom some two hours later and claimed it was the revolver taken from Oswald. He then had those officers initial the revolver before it was given to the evidence locker. That's factual information showing a highly questionable chain of custody.

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Re: The Bus Stop Farce
« Reply #158 on: November 27, 2020, 11:12:23 PM »
Yet they still described the jacket instead of saying they didn't get a good look... Go figure

The point is that they saw him in a jacket

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: The Bus Stop Farce
« Reply #159 on: November 27, 2020, 11:26:35 PM »
The point is that they saw him in a jacket

Without identifiable features, that would be the same as saying he was wearing pants. It's meaningless, so, no that's not the point.


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Re: The Bus Stop Farce
« Reply #159 on: November 27, 2020, 11:26:35 PM »