The Backyard Photo Paradox

[Gerry Down]

The allegation is that the DPD faked the backyard photo in order to incriminate Oswald. This is what Oswald stated while in custody.

However as the interview in which Oswald stated this was not recorded, and it was the DPD themselves that stated that Oswald made this allegation, why would the DPD (if they had faked the photo) acknowledge that Oswald made this claim? As the interview was not recorded, the DPD could simply pretend that Oswald never made this allegation. This would help cover up the fact that they faked the photo.

The very fact that it was the DPD who admitted Oswald made this allegation is evidence against the idea that they faked the photo.

The same goes with the plaster cast which found no nitrates on it suggesting that Oswald might not have fired a rifle that day. If they went to the effort of faking the backyard photo, why not place fake nitrates on the plaster cast to incriminate Oswald? Why admit that there was no nitrates on the plaster cast?

All this points in the direction that the backyard photos are genuine, just like Marina said so.

[Walt Cakebread]

The allegation is that the DPD faked the backyard photo in order to incriminate Oswald. This is what Oswald stated while in custody.

However as the interview in which Oswald stated this was not recorded, and it was the DPD themselves that stated that Oswald made this allegation, why would the DPD (if they had faked the photo) acknowledge that Oswald made this claim? As the interview was not recorded, the DPD could simply pretend that Oswald never made this allegation. This would help cover up the fact that they faked the photo.

The very fact that it was the DPD who admitted Oswald made this allegation is evidence against the idea that they faked the photo.

The same goes with the plaster cast which found no nitrates on it suggesting that Oswald might not have fired a rifle that day. If they went to the effort of faking the backyard photo, why not place fake nitrates on the plaster cast to incriminate Oswald? Why admit that there was no nitrates on the plaster cast?

All this points in the direction that the backyard photos are genuine, just like Marina said so.

The very fact that it was the DPD who admitted Oswald made this allegation is evidence against the idea that they faked the photo.

PHOTO??....   Which photo??....  There are three PHOTOS plus the De M copy of CE 133-A....  WHICH photo did Lee say was a fake??

[Gerry Down]

The very fact that it was the DPD who admitted Oswald made this allegation is evidence against the idea that they faked the photo.

PHOTO??....   Which photo??....  There are three PHOTOS plus the De M copy of CE 133-A....  WHICH photo did Lee say was a fake??

Well, the one he was shown. And by implication, as the issue he had with the photo was that he was holding a rifle, he was implying all other photos that show him holding the rifle are not real.

[Martin Weidmann]

Well, the one he was shown. And by implication, as the issue he had with the photo was that he was holding a rifle, he was implying all other photos that show him holding the rifle are not real.

Well, the one he was shown.

Would that be the same one a FBI agent showed Michael Paine on Friday evening, despite the fact that the BY photos were not (offically) found until the second search (this time with a warrant) of Ruth Paine's house on Saturday afternoon?

[Gerry Down]

Well, the one he was shown.

Would that be the same one a FBI agent showed Michael Paine on Friday evening, despite the fact that the BY photos were not (offically) found until the second search (this time with a warrant) of Ruth Paine's house on Saturday afternoon?

You mean the FBI realized that the photos they took from the Paine house on the Friday might not be admissible as evidence for the expected court trial as they had been taken without a warrant and so they whitewashed from the record that they had shown them to Michael Paine on the Friday and just pretended they found them on the Saturday in accordance with now having actually got a search warrant like they should have done in the first place?

[Martin Weidmann]

You mean the FBI realized that the photos they took from the Paine house on the Friday might not be admissible as evidence for the expected court trial as they had been taken without a warrant and so they whitewashed from the record that they had shown them to Michael Paine on the Friday and just pretended they found them on the Saturday in accordance with now having actually got a search warrant like they should have done in the first place?

You mean the FBI realized that the photos they took from the Paine house on the Friday

I wasn't aware that the FBI (if that's what you mean by "they") took any evidence from Ruth Paine's house on 11/22/63.

Whatever the reasoning behind it, the fact is that DPD officers, with the assistance of local law enforcement officers, searched the house first on Friday, after Ruth Paine gave them permission, and then they decided to search again, but with a warrant, on Saturday.

so they whitewashed from the record that they had shown them to Michael Paine on the Friday [/b

It wasn't whitewashed from the record, at least not completely, because Michael Paine talked about having been shown one picture by an FBI agent on Friday evening in his testimony. In fact, the WC lawyer specifically asked him about it. Having said that, the official narrative is, however, that they were found during the second search, on Saturday afternoon. Yet another anomaly involving the evidence.

[Walt Cakebread]

Well, the one he was shown. And by implication, as the issue he had with the photo was that he was holding a rifle, he was implying all other photos that show him holding the rifle are not real.

Are you aware that officially NONE of the photos had been found at the time Fritz showed Lee a BY photo at the noon interrogation on Saturday.    It was about three hours AFTER that interrogation session that the DPD detectives allegedly officially  discovered TWO BY photos in among Lee's possessions in the Paine's Garage.  Those photos are CE 133 A &  CE 133B.....So since they were found until AFTER that noon session..... They cannonot be the photo that Captain Fritz displayed to Lee Oswald.....Commonsense should prevail ...and you should know that Lee told Fritz the the phot had to have been what we know as 133C....  THAT"S the photo that Lee said was a fake......and we didn't know about that photo until Geneva White,( the widow of a Dallas cop) produced a copy of it several years after that Saturday interrogation session.   Clearly the DPD had was 133c , and Lee scoffed at it and told them it was a fake.  Lee KNEW it was a fake because he knew what the two photos that Marina had taken looked like. and so he could easily pronounce 133c as a fake.   ( He autographed a couple of copies of CE 133A  for his daughter June and George De,Morhenschildt ) When Lee immediately pronounced 133c to be  a fake it alarmed Fritz, who thought there must be something very obvious that Lee saw in the photo that indicated that it was a fake ....so he ordered that photo hidden and kept away from the public.

[Walt Cakebread]

You mean the FBI realized that the photos they took from the Paine house on the Friday might not be admissible as evidence for the expected court trial as they had been taken without a warrant and so they whitewashed from the record that they had shown them to Michael Paine on the Friday and just pretended they found them on the Saturday in accordance with now having actually got a search warrant like they should have done in the first place?

It was the DPD that carried all of the Oswald's possessions from the Paine's garage on Friday.  ( Mike Paine was there to direct them ) And one of the items the cops took was Lee's Sea bag.  And that Sea bag contained the BY photo (CE 133A).  Do you really believe that they didn't find the photo until they took that sea bag back to the Paines garage so that it could be officially found after a search warrant had been issued.