Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?

[Richard Smith]

My point stands.

As does my question. Your usual gibberish isn't much of an answer

And again, no evidence that the MC rifle was fired on 11/22/63! Just the usual assumptions....


By your own "logic"; neither is there evidence that it wasn't planted.

And btw, what did you expect, a neon sign pointing downwards saying "here's some planted evidence"?

There is no credible evidence whatsoever to support the "possibility" that the rifle and shells were planted.  Just because you can dream up a completely baseless alternative explanation doesn't result in doubt.  No one would ever be convicted of a crime if doubt were created by the mere possibility that evidence was planted.  There has to be some credible basis to support that claim.  And keep in mind you refuse to admit that you are a CTer.  So how would Oswald's rifle and fired bullet casings from that rifle materialize if there was no pre-planned conspiracy? 

Can you also tell us what would constitute "evidence" that Oswald's rifle was fired on 11.22.63 that is lacking from the record?  It is found on the floor from which shots were fired that day.  Shell casings are found by the window from which witnesses saw a rifle at the moment the shots were fired.  There is no plausible explanation from Oswald as to why his rifle is found there.  It's silly to suggest that wasn't the rifle used that day.  Even in your fantasy conspiracy scenario to frame Oswald, the conspirators would obviously have used the same rifle to commit the assassination that they were going to leave at the scene to frame him.  Why would they use a different rifle with all the complications that would entail including having to smuggle another rifle out of the building undetected?  It defies basic common sense that they would kill JFK with one rifle but leave a different rifle at the scene to frame Oswald for the crime. 

[Martin Weidmann]

No gibberish required, Bubba: Keep yours to yourself and use neon signs or whatever it takes to point out that which you claim was planted.

Where did I claim that something was planted?

[Martin Weidmann]

There is no credible evidence whatsoever to support the "possibility" that the rifle and shells were planted.  Just because you can dream up a completely baseless alternative explanation doesn't result in doubt.  No one would ever be convicted of a crime if doubt were created by the mere possibility that evidence was planted.  There has to be some credible basis to support that claim.  And keep in mind you refuse to admit that you are a CTer.  So how would Oswald's rifle and fired bullet casings from that rifle materialize if there was no pre-planned conspiracy? 

Can you also tell us what would constitute "evidence" that Oswald's rifle was fired on 11.22.63 that is lacking from the record?  It is found on the floor from which shots were fired that day.  Shell casings are found by the window from which witnesses saw a rifle at the moment the shots were fired.  There is no plausible explanation from Oswald as to why his rifle is found there.  It's silly to suggest that wasn't the rifle used that day.  Even in your fantasy conspiracy scenario to frame Oswald, the conspirators would obviously have used the same rifle to commit the assassination that they were going to leave at the scene to frame him.  Why would they use a different rifle with all the complications that would entail including having to smuggle another rifle out of the building undetected?  It defies basic common sense that they would kill JFK with one rifle but leave a different rifle at the scene to frame Oswald for the crime.

There is no credible evidence whatsoever to support the "possibility" that the rifle and shells were planted.

There is no credible evidence whatsoever to support the claim that the MC rifle was fired on 11/22/63. All you have is the assumption that it was!

Just because you can dream up a completely baseless alternative explanation doesn't result in doubt.  No one would ever be convicted of a crime if doubt were created by the mere possibility that evidence was planted.

First of all, this isn't a court of law and secondly, based on the evidence we know, I am convinced that Oswald would likely have been convicted. However, that does not automatically mean that he did it. It just means that the evidence presented points in that direction.

So how would Oswald's rifle and fired bullet casings from that rifle materialize if there was no pre-planned conspiracy? 

True, but considering all possibilities doesn't make me a CT. Jumping to conclusions, as you do, does make you a LN.

Can you also tell us what would constitute "evidence" that Oswald's rifle was fired on 11.22.63 that is lacking from the record?

Again, there is no evidence in the record that the MC rifle found at the TSBD was fired on 11/22/63. There is, however, in the record the fact that the barrel of the MC was not cleared of rust, which is what it should have been had a shot been fired. For some reason you seem to ignore that fact. One can only wonder why...


It is found on the floor from which shots were fired that day.  Shell casings are found by the window from which witnesses saw a rifle at the moment the shots were fired.  There is no plausible explanation from Oswald as to why his rifle is found there.  It's silly to suggest that wasn't the rifle used that day.


It might be silly to your limited brain, but that doesn't make it a fact. If the rifle was planted, the shell casings were also planted which means they do not provide proof that the rifle was fired. And there is no plausible explanation from Oswald, other than his denial of ownership, because he was killed before he could provide any explanation.

Even in your fantasy conspiracy scenario to frame Oswald, the conspirators would obviously have used the same rifle to commit the assassination that they were going to leave at the scene to frame him.

Why is that obvious?

Why would they use a different rifle with all the complications that would entail including having to smuggle another rifle out of the building undetected?  It defies basic common sense that they would kill JFK with one rifle but leave a different rifle at the scene to frame Oswald for the crime.

It is not my problem that your lack of imagination prevents you from answering that question yourself.

[Bill Chapman]

It is not my problem that your lack of imagination prevents you from answering that question yourself
Nice dodge. And you also cannot explain why conspirators would place the shooter behind the limo and yet claim shots from in front of the limo.

[Martin Weidmann]

It is not my problem that your lack of imagination prevents you from answering that question yourself
Nice dodge. And you also cannot explain why conspirators would place the shooter behind the limo and yet claim shots from in front of the limo.

And you also cannot explain why conspirators would place the shooter behind the limo and yet claim shots from in front of the limo.

Because if there was a conspiracy and a subsequent cover up it wouldn't matter. There is no consensus among the witnesses about how many shots were fired and where the shots came from. More than three shots could be explained away as echoes and shots from other locations could be explained by saying that Dealey Plaza was an echo chamber.

From that point it's easy; one rifle (planted or not) found at the TSBD = one shooter from the TSBD and people who heard shots from other locations were simply "mistaken".

[Richard Smith]

There is no credible evidence whatsoever to support the "possibility" that the rifle and shells were planted.

There is no credible evidence whatsoever to support the claim that the MC rifle was fired on 11/22/63. All you have is the assumption that it was!

Just because you can dream up a completely baseless alternative explanation doesn't result in doubt.  No one would ever be convicted of a crime if doubt were created by the mere possibility that evidence was planted.

First of all, this isn't a court of law and secondly, based on the evidence we know, I am convinced that Oswald would likely have been convicted. However, that does not automatically mean that he did it. It just means that the evidence presented points in that direction.

So how would Oswald's rifle and fired bullet casings from that rifle materialize if there was no pre-planned conspiracy? 

True, but considering all possibilities doesn't make me a CT. Jumping to conclusions, as you do, does make you a LN.

Can you also tell us what would constitute "evidence" that Oswald's rifle was fired on 11.22.63 that is lacking from the record?

Again, there is no evidence in the record that the MC rifle found at the TSBD was fired on 11/22/63. There is, however, in the record the fact that the barrel of the MC was not cleared of rust, which is what it should have been had a shot been fired. For some reason you seem to ignore that fact. One can only wonder why...


It is found on the floor from which shots were fired that day.  Shell casings are found by the window from which witnesses saw a rifle at the moment the shots were fired.  There is no plausible explanation from Oswald as to why his rifle is found there.  It's silly to suggest that wasn't the rifle used that day.


It might be silly to your limited brain, but that doesn't make it a fact. If the rifle was planted, the shell casings were also planted which means they do not provide proof that the rifle was fired. And there is no plausible explanation from Oswald, other than his denial of ownership, because he was killed before he could provide any explanation.

Even in your fantasy conspiracy scenario to frame Oswald, the conspirators would obviously have used the same rifle to commit the assassination that they were going to leave at the scene to frame him.

Why is that obvious?

Why would they use a different rifle with all the complications that would entail including having to smuggle another rifle out of the building undetected?  It defies basic common sense that they would kill JFK with one rifle but leave a different rifle at the scene to frame Oswald for the crime.

It is not my problem that your lack of imagination prevents you from answering that question yourself.

So you have no explanation whatsoever for why your fantasy conspirators would use one rifle to kill JFK but then plant an entirely different rifle to frame Oswald for that crime.  Got it.  And you are not suggesting there was a conspiracy.  Just that all the evidence was possibly planted.  And you have no evidence that happened.  It's just possible.  Wow.  And how do bullet fragments from Oswald's rifle end up in JFK's car if it wasn't fired that day?  Let me guess.  You don't have to explain because they "could" be planted.  But you are not applying an impossible standard of proof or suggesting a conspiracy.  That's classic rabbit hole nonsense.

WC:
"The cartridge cases, the nearly whole bullet and the bullet fragments were all subjected to firearms identification analysis by qualified experts. It was the unanimous opinion of the experts that the nearly whole bullet, the two largest. bullet fragments. and the three cartridge cases were definitely fired in the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository Building to the exclusion of all other weapons."

[Walt Cakebread]

So you have no explanation whatsoever for why your fantasy conspirators would use one rifle to kill JFK but then plant an entirely different rifle to frame Oswald for that crime.  Got it.  And you are not suggesting there was a conspiracy.  Just that all the evidence was possibly planted.  And you have no evidence that happened.  It's just possible.  Wow.  And how do bullet fragments from Oswald's rifle end up in JFK's car if it wasn't fired that day?  Let me guess.  You don't have to explain because they "could" be planted.  But you are not applying an impossible standard of proof or suggesting a conspiracy.  That's classic rabbit hole nonsense.

WC:
"The cartridge cases, the nearly whole bullet and the bullet fragments were all subjected to firearms identification analysis by qualified experts. It was the unanimous opinion of the experts that the nearly whole bullet, the two largest. bullet fragments. and the three cartridge cases were definitely fired in the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository Building to the exclusion of all other weapons."

WC:
"The cartridge cases, the nearly whole bullet and the bullet fragments were all subjected to firearms identification analysis by qualified experts. It was the unanimous opinion of the experts that the nearly whole bullet, the two largest. bullet fragments. and the three cartridge cases were definitely fired in the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository Building to the exclusion of all other weapons."

WHEN???  were the cartridges fired in the rifle??

[Martin Weidmann]

So you have no explanation whatsoever for why your fantasy conspirators would use one rifle to kill JFK but then plant an entirely different rifle to frame Oswald for that crime.  Got it.  And you are not suggesting there was a conspiracy.  Just that all the evidence was possibly planted.  And you have no evidence that happened.  It's just possible.  Wow.  And how do bullet fragments from Oswald's rifle end up in JFK's car if it wasn't fired that day?  Let me guess.  You don't have to explain because they "could" be planted.  But you are not applying an impossible standard of proof or suggesting a conspiracy.  That's classic rabbit hole nonsense.

WC:
"The cartridge cases, the nearly whole bullet and the bullet fragments were all subjected to firearms identification analysis by qualified experts. It was the unanimous opinion of the experts that the nearly whole bullet, the two largest. bullet fragments. and the three cartridge cases were definitely fired in the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository Building to the exclusion of all other weapons."

So you have no explanation whatsoever for why your fantasy conspirators would use one rifle to kill JFK but then plant an entirely different rifle to frame Oswald for that crime.  Got it.

If there were conspirators, who says they only used one rifle to kill JFK?

And you are not suggesting there was a conspiracy.  Just that all the evidence was possibly planted.

Indeed. I am not suggesting there was a conspiracy, because I simply do not know. And neither do you. The difference between us is that I am willing to consider the possibility and rule nothing out and you aren't.

And how do bullet fragments from Oswald's rifle end up in JFK's car if it wasn't fired that day?

What bullet fragments were recovered from the limo by Frazier and his team?