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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #344 on: April 20, 2021, 01:06:05 AM »
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Yeah, maybe that's what it is Bill.

I was naively assuming that an innocent person being asked to give a statement regarding such a massive event would be doing their best to remember what they did, as opposed to just spouting off the first thing that came into their heads as if it was all some kind of joke.

Perhaps he did not immediately realize that his lunch would become the subject of historical interest to later generations.  Do you think he was "in" on the plot with the role to plant the remains of a chicken sandwich?  Colonel Sanders was an alleged racist in his plantation suit.  Perhaps he was behind this sinister plot and offered free sandwiches as an enticement.

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #345 on: April 20, 2021, 01:39:08 AM »
Perhaps he did not immediately realize that his lunch would become the subject of historical interest to later generations.  Do you think he was "in" on the plot with the role to plant the remains of a chicken sandwich?  Colonel Sanders was an alleged racist in his plantation suit.  Perhaps he was behind this sinister plot and offered free sandwiches as an enticement.

It was his presence on the floor just minutes before the shots that was critical information. The problem about his lunch would only become important to him when it was reported widely to have been the assassin's. For all he knew someone might have seen him on the sixth floor and reported (Rowland).

If the lunch sack and bottle were thought to be related to the assassin why did they not travel with Drain along with the other evidence that night?

Pathetic jokes about fowl play and KFC, forgetful minds and horsing around aren’t serious rebuttal to the points raised. Neither is distraction to the fingerprints in the SN. Just a convenient way to move the topic at hand......look over here.

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« Reply #346 on: April 20, 2021, 08:14:47 AM »
Poor Oswald.  What bad luck he had.  Of all the TSBD employees, his are the only ones found on the SN boxes.   And bag. And rifle.  What are the odds?  Just a good old boy going about his business.  His prints on the very boxes used by the assassin to assassinate JFK are "meaningless" and of "no real evidentiary value."   You should be embarrassed and apologize to intelligent people for this type of nonsense.  I'm actually embarrassed for you.

his are the only ones found on the SN boxes

Really? Why don't you stop making things up for once?

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #347 on: April 20, 2021, 02:30:32 PM »
Perhaps he did not immediately realize that his lunch would become the subject of historical interest to later generations.  Do you think he was "in" on the plot with the role to plant the remains of a chicken sandwich?  Colonel Sanders was an alleged racist in his plantation suit.  Perhaps he was behind this sinister plot and offered free sandwiches as an enticement.

 ;D
You might be onto something Richard.
Perhaps the whole thing was a publicity stunt for the new KFC Chicken-On-The-Bone Special ["It's teeth-crunchin' good"]

Out of interest, when do you think Williams went down to the 5th floor to join Jarman and Norman?

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #348 on: April 20, 2021, 02:49:45 PM »
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You might be onto something Richard.
Perhaps the whole thing was a publicity stunt for the new KFC Chicken-On-The-Bone Special ["It's teeth-crunchin' good"]

Out of interest, when do you think Williams went down to the 5th floor to join Jarman and Norman?

I don't believe there is any way to know for certain since BRW was not tracking his movements with scientific precision.  He is mostly making an estimate of the time as you see in many instances in this case.  A pedantic analysis of his various statements are somewhat insightful but can never answer the question when he himself didn't really know.  Most people don't go around noting the exact time of every mundane event in their life down to the minute.  What's important is that BRW never suggested that he heard or saw anything unusual.  Any narrative that has him encountering a hit team on the 6th floor and being allowed to go about his business perhaps raising the alarm is absurd.  Instead he goes to the window just below where he knows this is going to happen and puts himself at further risk?  Not plausible.

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #349 on: April 20, 2021, 03:14:15 PM »
his are the only ones found on the SN boxes

Really? Why don't you stop making things up for once?

So other TSBD employees left their fingerprints on these boxes?  Do tell. 

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« Reply #350 on: April 20, 2021, 05:36:14 PM »
So other TSBD employees left their fingerprints on these boxes?  Do tell.

Who said anything about other TSBD employees? What about, for example, all the police officers that were in or near the S/N?

Are you really trying to tell us that in a warehouse filled with boxes and lots of staff handling them, Oswald's fingerprints were somehow the only prints on those boxes? Really?

Here's a reality check; on 4 boxes there were 25 prints found that were clear enough to make identification matches. In addition there were more prints that were too fragmented for identification. Out if all these prints only 1 right index fingerprint and 1 left palmprint were identified as Oswald's. Or did Latona, Mandella and Wittmus Lie?   

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #351 on: April 20, 2021, 06:36:23 PM »
I don't believe there is any way to know for certain since BRW was not tracking his movements with scientific precision.  He is mostly making an estimate of the time as you see in many instances in this case.  A pedantic analysis of his various statements are somewhat insightful but can never answer the question when he himself didn't really know.  Most people don't go around noting the exact time of every mundane event in their life down to the minute.

I agree,
BRW's estimation of how long he spent on the 6th floor varies wildly.
He starts off by lying about not being on the 6th floor (or is he telling the truth?)
Once he admits he was on the 6th he gives the following estimations, in various statements, for how long he was up there - 3, 5, 10, 12, 15, 20 minutes. There is a pattern to these estimations - the more he is questioned, the longer he was up there.
Obviously, it isn't just a case of looking at what BRW has to say, there are other witnesses whose testimonies shed light on how long BRW was on the 6th floor.
But you know that already.

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What's important is that BRW never suggested that he heard or saw anything unusual.

What's important is that he lied about going up to the 5th floor with Jarman and Norman (or did he lie about having his lunch alone on the 6th floor?)
What's more important is that after he has corrected his first statement, Jarman and Norman continue supporting the initial lie (if it was a lie) that BRW goes up to the 5th floor with Norman and Jarman. When it comes time for the WC hearing everyone seems to have got their stories straight. All now agree BRW went up to the 6th on his own then joined Jarman/Norman later.

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Any narrative that has him encountering a hit team on the 6th floor and being allowed to go about his business perhaps raising the alarm is absurd.  Instead he goes to the window just below where he knows this is going to happen and puts himself at further risk?  Not plausible.

Agreed.
How can BRW be allowed to just wander off. The assassin must "neutralise" him in some way - tying him up or even killing him. He can't set him free hoping he won't raise the alarm just because he "promised".
My interpretation of various statements has BRW on the 6th floor less than five minutes before the arrival of the motorcade and there is some evidence he was actually in the SN having his lunch.
In this scenario 3 possibilities exists:

The assassin(s) have yet to arrive on the 6th floor so BRW is alone until he goes down to the 5th.
The assassin(s) are on the 6th floor but BRW is unaware of it.
BRW is aware someone is on the 6th when he goes down to the 5th.

All three scenarios are problematic in different ways.
This is where the historic piece of chicken comes into it. For his lunch BRW has a piece of chicken, two slices of bread, a bag of Fritos and a bottle of soda pop. He strips some off the chicken and makes a chicken sandwich, has his Fritos and pop, saving the big lump of chicken remaining on the bone to finish off. Remember, he's been working hard all morning and will be doing the same in the afternoon and his piece of chicken is his main nourishment for the day. So, what are the chances of him just wandering off, leaving the main part of his lunch behind? Surely, the partially eaten piece of chicken indicates BRW was interrupted before he got to his chicken and left in a hurry.
If he was confronted by a stranger/stranger with a rifle/familiar face with a rifle Williams would surely have raised the alarm - he certainly wouldn't have gone down a floor to carry on watching the motorcade.
However, if he was confronted by a familiar face, without a rifle, who just told him to f%&k off immediately, there would be no reason to flee or panic. But when the shots started ringing out from directly above them BRW puts two and two together. He has just seen the assassin, what should he do?









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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #351 on: April 20, 2021, 06:36:23 PM »