Et tu, Bonnie?

[Dan O'meara]

One of the most interesting details in Mr Williams' testimony is this------------

MR. WILLIAMS. Well, at the time everybody was talking like they was going to watch from the sixth floor. I think Billy Lovelady said he wanted to watch from up there. And also my friend; this Spanish boy, by the name of Danny Arce, we had agreed at first to come back up to the sixth floor. So I thought everybody was going to be on the sixth floor.

Why did nobody go up to six to watch the motorcade from that excellent vantage point? Most curious!

I would NOT assume that Mr Williams was the only employee to innocently go back up on six and encounter men posing as SS. The floor would have been commandeered well before the motorcade arrived, and a method for keeping employees off the floor put in place. These people would not have trusted to luck.

Ms Mary Hall saw a key moment in all this: "she saw a white male, wearing a hat, apparently looking for something among boxes... a few minutes later they all went to have lunch and watch the President's motorcade".

Maybe the men on the sixth floor were let into the building before working hours that morning and hid up on seven; maybe they arrived in the building around noon and went up. We'll likely never know, and it doesn't greatly matter.

Dougherty was up on 6 and he never saw anything.
The same with Givens.
Williams was up there long enough to eat his sandwich, his bag of Fritos and drink his pop. It seems clear from various WC testimonies he was up on 6 for quite some time before coming down to join Jarman and Norman.
Nobody saw this team arrive or leave.
It's almost as if there's no support for such a suggestion.

[Richard Smith]

Many of the prints found on these boxes were linked to the DPD or FBI investigators and eliminated from any connection to the assassination. Really?

Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Chairman, I would like that box admitted as 653.
Mr. DULLES. It shall be admitted.
Mr. EISENBERG. How many identifiable prints did you find on this carton?
Mr. LATONA. There were seven fingerprints and two palmprints developed on Commission Exhibit 653.
Mr. EISENBERG. That is, identifiable prints?
Mr. LATONA. Identifiable prints.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did you identify any of those prints as belonging to a specific person?
Mr. LATONA. I did not.
Mr. EISENBERG. May I have 654 marked, Box C, Mr. Chairman? Did you also examine Box C?
Mr. LATONA. Box C, yes, sir.
Mr. EISENBERG. May I have that admitted as 654?
Mr. DULLES. It shall be admitted as Commission Exhibit 654.
(Commission Exhibit No. 654 was marked and received in evidence.)
Mr. EISENBERG. Did you find any latent identifiable prints on 654?
Mr. LATONA. I found two fingerprints and one palmprint.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did you identify them as belonging to a specific individual?
Mr. LATONA. I did not identify them.
Mr. EISENBERG. Now, did you attempt to identify them with Lee Harvey Oswald's known prints?
Mr. LATONA. Yes; and they are not Lee Harvey Oswald's print.

Again, Oswald was the only TSBD employee whose prints were identified as being on the SN boxes.  That's plural as in multiple different SN boxes with Oswald's prints.

Stop lying, "Richard"!

Mr. EISENBERG. So you found 13 identifiable prints, Mr. Latona. Were you able to identify any of these prints as belonging to a specific individual?
Mr. LATONA. We were able to identify one fingerprint and one palmprint.
Mr. EISENBERG. And whose prints were they?
Mr. LATONA. The fingerprint was identified as Harvey Lee Oswald.
Mr. EISENBERG. That is Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. LATONA. That is right.
Mr. EISENBERG. And the palm?
Mr. LATONA. The palmprint was identified also as Harvey Lee Oswald.

On all the boxes they found one fingerprint and one palmprint belonging to Oswald. That's the only print they were looking for. None of the other prints belonged to Oswald and they simply did not bother to identify them

This is real simple.  Focus.  Oswald was the only TSBD who left identifiable prints on the TSBD boxes.  According to Commission Exhibit 3131 there were 25 identifiable prints found on the four boxes exclusive of Oswald's prints.  24 of these prints were matched to Studebaker or Forest Lucy.  None matched the TSBD employees who were printed including all those who Truly indicated would come into contact with book cartons as part of their duties.

Per McAdams:
On the 4 boxes a total of 25 prints were found that was clear enough to make identification matches. Other possible prints were also found but were too fragmentary to be of value for identification purposes. On Box A there were 9 identifiable fingerprints and 4 identifiable palmprints. Of these, 1 right index fingerprint and 1 left palmprint were identified as Oswald's. These identifications were made by Sebastian F. Latona of the FBI and agreed to by Arthur Mandella, fingerprint expert with the New York City Police Department and Ronald G. Wittmus, another FBI fingerprint expert. All of the remaining fingerprints and palmprints belonged to either Studebaker or Forest Lucy an FBI Clerk.

[Martin Weidmann]

This is real simple.  Focus.  Oswald was the only TSBD who left identifiable prints on the TSBD boxes.  According to Commission Exhibit 3131 there were 25 identifiable prints found on the four boxes exclusive of Oswald's prints.  24 of these prints were matched to Studebaker or Forest Lucy.  None matched the TSBD employees who were printed including all those who Truly indicated would come into contact with book cartons as part of their duties.

Per McAdams:
On the 4 boxes a total of 25 prints were found that was clear enough to make identification matches. Other possible prints were also found but were too fragmentary to be of value for identification purposes. On Box A there were 9 identifiable fingerprints and 4 identifiable palmprints. Of these, 1 right index fingerprint and 1 left palmprint were identified as Oswald's. These identifications were made by Sebastian F. Latona of the FBI and agreed to by Arthur Mandella, fingerprint expert with the New York City Police Department and Ronald G. Wittmus, another FBI fingerprint expert. All of the remaining fingerprints and palmprints belonged to either Studebaker or Forest Lucy an FBI Clerk.

Oswald was the only TSBD who left identifiable prints on the TSBD boxes.

BS.. You really should read the testimony of Latona better. Here is part of it again;

Mr. LATONA. There were seven fingerprints and two palmprints developed on Commission Exhibit 653.
Mr. EISENBERG. That is, identifiable prints?
Mr. LATONA. Identifiable prints.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did you identify any of those prints as belonging to a specific person?
Mr. LATONA. I did not.

There were in fact plenty of identifiable prints that were not linked to any person, simply because the only prints they were interested in were those of Oswald's.

Regardless of what McAdams says, Latona did not say anything about the other prints being linked to Studebaker.

Btw CE 3131 is correspondence in September 1964, when the WC report was already in print for it's release to Johnson on the 24th. At that point in time they could write whatever they want. I attach no value whatsoever to this correspondence.

[Richard Smith]

Oswald was the only TSBD who left identifiable prints on the TSBD boxes.

BS.. You really should read the testimony of Latona better. Here is part of it again;

Mr. LATONA. There were seven fingerprints and two palmprints developed on Commission Exhibit 653.
Mr. EISENBERG. That is, identifiable prints?
Mr. LATONA. Identifiable prints.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did you identify any of those prints as belonging to a specific person?
Mr. LATONA. I did not.

There were in fact plenty of identifiable prints that were not linked to any person, simply because the only prints they were interested in were those of Oswald's.

Regardless of what McAdams says, Latona did not say anything about the other prints being linked to Studebaker.

I'm not sure what you are taking issue with.  It is simply a fact that Oswald was the only TSBD employee who left identifiable prints on the boxes.  Do you have the name of another TSBD employee who left their prints on the cartons?  According to the FBI report listed as Commission Exhibit 3131 there were 25 identifiable prints on the four boxes.  24 of those were linked to the two investigators.  The FBI took the prints of the TSBD employees who came into contact with the book cartons.  None of those matched any of the identifiable prints on the SN boxes. Only Oswald. 

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh26/pdf/WH26_CE_3131.pdf

[Martin Weidmann]

I'm not sure what you are taking issue with.  It is simply a fact that Oswald was the only TSBD employee who left identifiable prints on the boxes.  Do you have the name of another TSBD employee who left their prints on the cartons?  According to the FBI report listed as Commission Exhibit 3131 there were 25 identifiable prints on the four boxes.  24 of those were linked to the two investigators.  The FBI took the prints of the TSBD employees who came into contact with the book cartons.  None of those matched any of the identifiable prints on the SN boxes. Only Oswald. 

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh26/pdf/WH26_CE_3131.pdf

You really are not getting this, are you. They only found 2 prints linked to Oswald because they didn't bother to identify the others after finding they did not belong to Oswald. That's basically what Latona, Mandella and Wittmus told the WC in their testimony and affidavit!

If CE 3131 is supposed to have any value, then why did it take them 10 months to come up with these "findings" - that contradicts what Latona said in his testimony - only days before the WC report was released?

Btw, to build the snipers nest a large number of boxes needed to be moved. If Oswald did that all by himself, why did they find no prints belonging to him on any of the other boxes? Did all those boxes magically move themselves?

It's the same as with the paper bag that Oswald is supposed to have constructed. In either case, you would expect his prints to be all over the place, but they are not. Go figure.

[Bill Chapman]

Who said anything about other TSBD employees? What about, for example, all the police officers that were in or near the S/N?

Are you really trying to tell us that in a warehouse filled with boxes and lots of staff handling them, Oswald's fingerprints were somehow the only prints on those boxes? Really?

Here's a reality check; on 4 boxes there were 25 prints found that were clear enough to make identification matches. In addition there were more prints that were too fragmented for identification. Out if all these prints only 1 right index fingerprint and 1 left palmprint were identified as Oswald's. Or did Latona, Mandella and Wittmus Lie?

'only 1 right index fingerprint and 1 left palmprint were identified as Oswald's'
ONLY two, huh? How many do you need, Slick, considering not only the box's position, but the position of the prints on said box.

[Martin Weidmann]

'only 1 right index fingerprint and 1 left palmprint were identified as Oswald's'
ONLY two, huh? How many do you need, Slick, considering not only the box's position, but the position of the prints on said box.

ONLY two, huh? How many do you need, Slick,

How shallow and narrowminded can you get?

Two prints from a guy who worked on that floor and - guess what - was supposed to move boxes.
So many boxes to build the snipers nest (all done by Oswald, right?) and only two prints? Really?

[Alan Ford]

You, for example.  Since you think Oswald was innocent and framed.

Quote me ever saying Mr Oswald was framed as the gunman. Can you, Mr Smith? Thought not.