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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #504 on: May 05, 2021, 01:03:41 PM »
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So before the sixth floor SN was discovered the chicken was moved from the fifth.....

No!

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Offline Dan O'meara

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« Reply #505 on: May 05, 2021, 05:54:01 PM »
At 11:20 in this video-----------

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-gOVjYwgPg

----------Sgt. Jerry Hill tries to explain away Mr Tom Alyea's pesky recollection by saying there were two sets of chicken bones-----------one on the fifth floor, another on the sixth!  :D

On more than one occasion Alyea refers to dry, old chicken bones.
It was a partially eaten piece of chicken discovered on the SN, not old chicken bones.
Hill (not someone I'm happy defending) doesn't say there were two sets of chicken bones. He says there was one set on the 6th but that there may well have been others on the 5th but he had no idea whether there were or not.
Is there anyone other than Alyea talking about chicken bones on the 5th at the time of the search?

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« Reply #506 on: May 05, 2021, 07:29:19 PM »
No, I'm suggesting someone moved them up there as soon as the (real) SN-----where the shells were-----was discovered. Because that was when they realized they'd gone to the wrong window initially (fifth rather than sixth floor)
One week after the assassination Hoover sends a memo(excerpt from it) discussing his conversation with LBJ:

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Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #507 on: May 05, 2021, 08:37:43 PM »
You can see why there is sometimes witness confusion about the floor numbers in the TSBD by looking at pictures of the building from that day.  From the Elm St. perspective the "first" floor appears to be just a lobby or entry way due to the lattice fence on the outside that covers the windows.  Count up five floors and the "sixth" floor becomes the fifth floor.
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Offline Dan O'meara

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« Reply #508 on: May 05, 2021, 10:00:15 PM »
One week after the assassination Hoover sends a memo(excerpt from it) discussing his conversation with LBJ:


Is Hoover suggesting the DPD moved the whole crime scene up a floor?

Or is it a simple mistake?

Or the type of incompetence/corruption that seems to permeate the investigation
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Offline Colin Crow

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« Reply #509 on: May 06, 2021, 03:39:52 AM »
Is Hoover suggesting the DPD moved the whole crime scene up a floor?

Or is it a simple mistake?

Or the type of incompetence/corruption that seems to permeate the investigation

Option 2.

Offline Ray Mitcham

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« Reply #510 on: May 06, 2021, 10:26:09 AM »
Can anybody tell me the name of Officer E ?

 From Gary Savage's "First Day Evidence"

Officer E

It had been a long escort. We had a lot of people all the way. There were no problems, just a heavy crowd and a lot of yelling and cheering, and the motors were getting hot. When you follow the lead, you do a lot of starting and stopping, trying to hold an interval. I was glad it was almost over.

The crowd was real heavy down on the end of the downtown area, but just past Dealey Plaza it would open up and we would be on the freeway and just a few minutes from the Trade Mart. The front of the motorcade started blocking up in the crowd in those last turns coming off Main and turning onto Elm. Back on Houston, where we were, we were just about stopped and moving real slow when we could move.

A little past half way down Houston (between Main and Elm), I heard the first shot. I could tell it came from somewhere in front of me, and high. As I looked up I noticed all the pigeons flushed off the top of the building on the corner ahead of me. And in the same period I heard the second shot, and then the third one. I couldn't see just where the shots came from but I knew they were from a high-powered rifle. I hunt a lot, and had just got back from hunting. There was no mistaking that; there were three shots, that's for sure. Though I didn't see exactly where the shots came from, I knew in my own mind they probably came from the corner building as the sound was right and because of the pigeons. So I headed there, got off my motor and entered the building (the Texas School Book Depository). It took a while because of the crowd; they had started moving in every direction.

The man who said he was the building superintendent was outside and met me at the door and went in with me. Shortly after I entered the building I confronted Oswald. The man who identified himself as the superintendent said that Oswald was all right, that he was employed there. We left Oswald there, and the supervisor showed me the way upstairs. We couldn't get anyone to send the freight elevator down. In giving the place a quick check, I found nothing that seemed out of the ordinary, so I started back to see what had happened. Not knowing for sure what had happened, I was limited in what I could legally do.

The investigator from Washington contacted me for my recollection of what happened, but I guess they weren't interested in what I said.

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #511 on: May 06, 2021, 11:26:37 AM »
Marrion Baker.

The officer who testified to seeing Oswald in the second floor lunchroom.

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