Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans

[Rick Plant]

If she committed any crime, then she should have been arrested like hundreds of others were for similar acts.  Or do you believe that everyone - hundreds or thousands of protestors that day should have been mowed down by the police?  The details of her shooting have never been released because the investigation was conducted in secret.  We still don't even know the name of the officer who killed her.  As a result, everything you have written above about the incident is speculation. Just like the story that ran for months that a Capitol officer had been hit with fire extinguisher.  Another liberal falsehood.  But even if accurate, the police are not justified in randomly shooting one protestor among hundreds for commission of trespass or vandalism.  Your analogy is bizarre.  This was not a private home that someone was breaking into in the middle of the night but a public building that was the scene of a mass protest.  Very different situations.

Once again, Richard pathetically gaslights us attempting to change the narrative into his own fake version of events. That's really anti American of him to support right wing extremist domestic terrorists that tried to overthrow the US Government wanting to attack our members of Congress, including former VP Mike Pence. 

First of all, these were not "protestors". This was a violent right wing mob that stormed and illegally broke into the Capitol to overthrow our Government and wanted to harm Democratic members of Congress including former VP Mike Pence. Those thugs had no business being there, they were directed to go there by Criminal Donald and these thugs had this coup planned for over a month. 

Richard has no clue about law enforcement and what Capitol Police are there to do. Capitol Police are there to protect the Capitol and our elected leaders at all cost. When domestic terrorists breach security they will get shot. That's standard procedure and the police are justified to do it.   

Not "if". She DID commit a federal crime by smashing through a Capitol window ignoring several warnings. If the cop didn't shoot her, her mob would have killed him. 

The Capitol Police officer didn't "randomly shoot one protestor". He was trying to stop an armed violent mob from overtaking the inside of the Capitol when they were breaking in. That is his job.   

Richard desperately wants to downplay this coup because it's his own violent right wing MAGA thugs who attempted to overthrow the US Government.

Richard is the "King of Falsehoods" and a gaslighter. The MAGA thug who attacked a cop with a fire extinguisher is on video, but Richard ridiculously wants to gaslight us and call it a "liberal falsehood". It only makes him look more foolish. 

Once again, here is a MAGA thug attacking a cop with a fire extinguisher. It's on video, which I just posted the other day, but Richard still wants to claim it is a "liberal falsehood". Really pathetic.   

And nothing what I wrote is "speculation", it is a fact.

Sadly, Richard doesn't want to "Back the Blue". That was just another right wing scam.


MAGA Rioter Attacked Cops With Fire Extinguisher at Capitol

[Richard Smith]

Once again, Richard pathetically gaslights us attempting to change the narrative into his own fake version of events. That's really anti American of him to support right wing extremist domestic terrorists that tried to overthrow the US Government wanting to attack our members of Congress, including former VP Mike Pence. 

First of all, these were not "protestors". This was a violent right wing mob that stormed and illegally broke into the Capitol to overthrow our Government and wanted to harm Democratic members of Congress including former VP Mike Pence. Those thugs had no business being there, they were directed to go there by Criminal Donald and these thugs had this coup planned for over a month. 

Richard has no clue about law enforcement and what Capitol Police are there to do. Capitol Police are there to protect the Capitol and our elected leaders at all cost. When domestic terrorists breach security they will get shot. That's standard procedure and the police are justified to do it.   

Not "if". She DID commit a federal crime by smashing through a Capitol window ignoring several warnings. If the cop didn't shoot her, her mob would have killed him. 

The Capitol Police officer didn't "randomly shoot one protestor". He was trying to stop an armed violent mob from overtaking the inside of the Capitol when they were breaking in. That is his job.   

Richard desperately wants to downplay this coup because it's his own violent right wing MAGA thugs who attempted to overthrow the US Government.

Richard is the "King of Falsehoods" and a gaslighter. The MAGA thug who attacked a cop with a fire extinguisher is on video, but Richard ridiculously wants to gaslight us and call it a "liberal falsehood". It only makes him look more foolish. 

Once again, here is a MAGA thug attacking a cop with a fire extinguisher. It's on video, which I just posted the other day, but Richard still wants to claim it is a "liberal falsehood". Really pathetic.   

And nothing what I wrote is "speculation", it is a fact.

Sadly, Richard doesn't want to "Back the Blue". That was just another right wing scam.

Let's try again real slow so that perhaps you can follow.  The protestors on Jan. 6 did commit many crimes for which they were arrested.  Many were minor misdemeanors such as trespass.  Some were more serious such as assault.  Some police officers were hit with objects (just as they were on multiple occasions by BLM protestors including those that tried to storm the White House) but no police officer was killed with a fire extinguisher as widely reported for months by the liberal media.  That story is now another
confirmed falsehood.   

And talk about gaslighting.  Here you are trying to conflate, as the media falsely did, the throwing of a fire extinguisher during the protest with the death of the police officer.  The police officer who died WAS NOT HIT WITH A FIRE EXTINGUIGHER or any object.  Rather his autopsy confirmed that he had no trauma to his body.  He died of a stroke.  Natural causes.  That is why there have been no charges.  There is no evidence whatsoever that the woman who was killed at the Capitol was armed.  None.  In fact, we know that she was unarmed since no gun was found. So another lie to add to your growing list.  Even if there were other armed people in that crowd (and there is no evidence of any protestor firing a firearm that day or being arrested with a gun in the Capitol) that would not justify selecting a random unarmed person from that crowd for execution.  This is America not Communist China.

Every Republican that I'm aware of advocated for the arrest of anyone that committed a crime that day.  What you appear to be advocating is a mass shooting of every protestor at the Capitol (i.e. thousands of people) because you disagree with their politics.  Imagine the type of sick mind that would suggest the police could have mowed down hundreds or thousands of unarmed Americans because someone disagreed with their politics and they were all "bad" people. 

[Chris Davidson]

The U.S. Supreme Court long ago recognized the government's right to stop demonstrations that present a "clear and present danger" of violence or another "immediate threat to public safety, peace, or order" (Cantwell v. Connecticut, 310 U.S. 296 (1940)).

Not one of the protestors (afaik) was forced to enter the capitol building. They all made a judgement at some point (more of them, as opposed to less) after hearing Trump's speech. imo

Once you make that decision(especially in mob fashion), your fate is sealed.

This is no different than an accomplice during a bank robbery who is only in it for the money but is ultimately responsible for the outcome from their participation.
They didn't shoot and kill the bank employee but nonetheless can/will be tried as such.

Yes, it's a shame she was shot and killed, but she only has herself to blame for her poor judgement.

[Rick Plant]

And the gaslighting with Richard continues.

Just like the story that ran for months that a Capitol officer had been hit with fire extinguisher. Another liberal falsehood.

no police officer was killed with a fire extinguisher as widely reported for months by the liberal media. That story is now another confirmed falsehood.

   

Richard is gaslighting us again and changing what he originally said.

Richard claimed the MAGA thug did not hit a Capitol Police officer with a fire extinguisher. The video I posted confirms it happened. It was no falsehood. 

After Richard was shown to be telling another falsehood, he changes his claim to the MAGA thug did not "kill" a Capitol Police officer with a fire extinguisher.

Another pathetic gaslighting attempt by Richard Smith. When he's exposed telling a falsehood he changes his claim to something new. That's why you can never have a decent discussion with this guy. 

P.S. there is no "Liberal Media" it is dominated by the far right with radio, cable, and local news.   

[Rick Plant]

Every Republican that I'm aware of advocated for the arrest of anyone that committed a crime that day.  What you appear to be advocating is a mass shooting of every protestor at the Capitol (i.e. thousands of people) because you disagree with their politics.  Imagine the type of sick mind that would suggest the police could have mowed down hundreds or thousands of unarmed Americans because someone disagreed with their politics and they were all "bad" people.

The this guy makes up is incredible.

Again, these MAGA thugs were not "protestors" they are classified as domestic terrorists who were attempting to execute our elected officials with deadly weapons in the House and Senate chambers. The job of the Capitol Police is to defend our elected officials lives and that is what they did. When these rioters breach security they will get shot. And you are too ignorant to understand that. I expect an apology from you with your disgusting and false attack against me

FBI Chief Says Riot at US Capitol Was 'Domestic Terrorism'
https://www.voanews.com/usa/fbi-chief-says-riot-us-capitol-was-domestic-terrorism

Jan 6th officially ‘domestic terrorist attack’: Nancy Pelosi's legislation creating Select Committee
https://www.rawstory.com/establishing-january-6-commission/

Prosecutors: Capitol Rioters Intended to ‘Capture and Assassinate’ Elected Officials
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-01-15/prosecutors-capitol-rioters-intended-to-capture-and-assassinate-elected-officials

Handguns, crowbars, Tasers and tomahawk axes: Dozens of Capitol rioters wielded "deadly or dangerous" weapons, prosecutors say
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-riot-weapons-deadly-dangerous/

[Rick Plant]

Let's try again real slow so that perhaps you can follow.  The protestors on Jan. 6 did commit many crimes for which they were arrested.  Many were minor misdemeanors such as trespass.  Some were more serious such as assault.  Some police officers were hit with objects (just as they were on multiple occasions by BLM protestors including those that tried to storm the White House) but no police officer was killed with a fire extinguisher as widely reported for months by the liberal media.  That story is now another
confirmed falsehood.   

And talk about gaslighting.  Here you are trying to conflate, as the media falsely did, the throwing of a fire extinguisher during the protest with the death of the police officer.  The police officer who died WAS NOT HIT WITH A FIRE EXTINGUIGHER or any object.  Rather his autopsy confirmed that he had no trauma to his body.  He died of a stroke.  Natural causes.  That is why there have been no charges.  There is no evidence whatsoever that the woman who was killed at the Capitol was armed.  None.  In fact, we know that she was unarmed since no gun was found. So another lie to add to your growing list.  Even if there were other armed people in that crowd (and there is no evidence of any protestor firing a firearm that day or being arrested with a gun in the Capitol) that would not justify selecting a random unarmed person from that crowd for execution.  This is America not Communist China.

Every Republican that I'm aware of advocated for the arrest of anyone that committed a crime that day.  What you appear to be advocating is a mass shooting of every protestor at the Capitol (i.e. thousands of people) because you disagree with their politics.  Imagine the type of sick mind that would suggest the police could have mowed down hundreds or thousands of unarmed Americans because someone disagreed with their politics and they were all "bad" people.

This MAGA thug intended to take our elected officials hostage and so did many other domestic MAGA thug terrorists.

They were attempting to overthrow the US Government by executing officials and stopping the vote certification to illegally keep Criminal Donald in power. That is an illegal coup.   

Many of them had deadly weapons including zip ties to to take hostages. That's why the Capitol Police officer shot Babbit who illegally broke through a Capitol window. She wasn't there to take a Capitol tour, she was there to attack our elected officials.

Are you ok wirh that Richard? Our elected officials are not supposed to be protected from MAGA domestic terrorists?         


Retired Air Force officer at Capitol riot intended "to take hostages," prosecutor says

A retired Air Force officer who was part of the mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol last week carried plastic zip-tie handcuffs because he intended "to take hostages," a prosecutor said in a Texas court on Thursday.

"He means to take hostages. He means to kidnap, restrain, perhaps try, perhaps execute members of the U.S. government," Assistant U.S. Attorney Jay Weimer said of retired Lieutenant Colonel Larry Rendall Brock Jr. He did not provide specifics.

The prosecutor had argued that Brock should be detained, but Magistrate Judge Jeffrey L. Cureton said he would release Brock to home confinement. Cureton ordered Brock to surrender any firearms and said he could have only limited internet access as conditions of that release.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/larry-brock-arrested-capitol-riots-intended-take-hostages/
 

[Richard Smith]

This MAGA thug intended to take our elected officials hostage and so did many other domestic MAGA thug terrorists.

They were attempting to overthrow the US Government by executing officials and stopping the vote certification to illegally keep Criminal Donald in power. That is an illegal coup.   

Many of them had deadly weapons including zip ties to to take hostages. That's why the Capitol Police officer shot Babbit who illegally broke through a Capitol window. She wasn't there to take a Capitol tour, she was there to attack our elected officials.

Are you ok wirh that Richard? Our elected officials are not supposed to be protected from MAGA domestic terrorists?         


Retired Air Force officer at Capitol riot intended "to take hostages," prosecutor says

A retired Air Force officer who was part of the mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol last week carried plastic zip-tie handcuffs because he intended "to take hostages," a prosecutor said in a Texas court on Thursday.

"He means to take hostages. He means to kidnap, restrain, perhaps try, perhaps execute members of the U.S. government," Assistant U.S. Attorney Jay Weimer said of retired Lieutenant Colonel Larry Rendall Brock Jr. He did not provide specifics.

The prosecutor had argued that Brock should be detained, but Magistrate Judge Jeffrey L. Cureton said he would release Brock to home confinement. Cureton ordered Brock to surrender any firearms and said he could have only limited internet access as conditions of that release.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/larry-brock-arrested-capitol-riots-intended-take-hostages/

I'm not sure what you are babbling about here.  Again, I've said repeatedly that anyone who committed a crime on Jan. 6 should have been arrested.  I can't make that any clearer.  Hundreds of people have been arrested mostly for minor crimes such as trespass and vandalism.  I take issue only with the killing of an unarmed woman and a secret investigation that has not provided the details of her death.  She was shot in the head while unarmed.  The fact that you and others don't like her politics is not a justification for her execution any more than George Floyd's lengthy criminal history justified his murder.  That doesn't seem particularly controversial unless you believe that political beliefs are grounds to execute unarmed American citizens.  Like something out of Communist China.

[Richard Smith]

The U.S. Supreme Court long ago recognized the government's right to stop demonstrations that present a "clear and present danger" of violence or another "immediate threat to public safety, peace, or order" (Cantwell v. Connecticut, 310 U.S. 296 (1940)).

Not one of the protestors (afaik) was forced to enter the capitol building. They all made a judgement at some point (more of them, as opposed to less) after hearing Trump's speech. imo

Once you make that decision(especially in mob fashion), your fate is sealed.

This is no different than an accomplice during a bank robbery who is only in it for the money but is ultimately responsible for the outcome from their participation.
They didn't shoot and kill the bank employee but nonetheless can/will be tried as such.

Yes, it's a shame she was shot and killed, but she only has herself to blame for her poor judgement.

Wrong.  You are conflating enforcement of the law - which obviously the police can do by arresting people - with the authority to execute unarmed people simply because they are in the commission of a crime.  These are very different concepts.  The police can use lethal force only in very limited circumstances even when a crime is being committed.  The police cannot execute people who jaywalk or speed.  And then  say they did so because the person was in the commission of a crime.  How did that work out for the police officer who murdered George Floyd?