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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
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Richard Smith said COVID was a hoax and said "masks don't work". He is part of the problem.

President Joe Biden turned around the vaccine rollout failure which we had under Criminal Donald. We didn't even have 1 million shots per day. Under Biden we had nearly 4 million shots per day.

Criminal Donald refused to purchase enough vaccines for ALL Americans. As soon as Biden stepped into office, he purchased enough vaccines for ALL Americans and made it easily accessible to get a shot at your local pharmacy or vaccination center.   

The lying right wing media and GOP anti vaxx politicians told their cult followers not to get vaccinated or to follow COVID safety protocols. This is all on them and everybody knows it.

President Biden had done everything possible to make vaccines available to every single American. It's not his fault Qanon lunatics refuse to take it or that the fake right wing media continues to lie about the vaccine.

There is no such thing as a "Trump Vaccine". Pfizer was developed and funded by Germany.

Richard Smith is desperate to cover for his criminal orange hero. It's pathetic. I would be surprised if he didn't build a shrine to him in his living room.         

A complete lie.  I've never said COVID was a hoax.   What I objected to was your sick and disgusting insults against individuals who have died from the virus.  Calling one young person who died a "moron."  Are virus cases increasing or not?  Is the Pfizer vaccine the only vaccine?  How about Moderna?  Trump was among the very first proponents of the vaccine while Old Joe and Kantala were questioning its safety.  These are simply facts.  Kantala questioned the safety of the vaccine during the campaign.  Trump purchased hundreds of millions of doses.  Enough that they have not all yet been used.



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Police tell of 'medieval' violence at US House hearing on Capitol attack



A congressional committee held its first hearing investigating the Jan. 6 U.S. Capitol attack on Tuesday with testimony by four police officers who struggled against a mob of then-President Donald Trump's supporters engaging in "medieval" violence and warnings from lawmakers against whitewashing the riot.

At the Democratic-led House of Representatives investigatory committee's first hearing, the officer, Aquilino Gonell, described being pummeled by rioters fired up by Trump's false claims that the election was stolen from him through widespread voting fraud.

"What we were subjected to that day was like something from a medieval battlefield. We fought hand-to-hand and inch-by-inch to prevent an invasion of the Capitol by a violent mob intent on subverting our democratic process," added Gonell, one of four police officers called to testify. "The physical violence we experienced was horrific and devastating."

Gonell fought back tears as he recalled his family watching the violence unfold on television and wondering if he was alive.

The nine-member panel was formed after Senate Republicans blocked the creation of an independent commission to investigate the attack. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat, named the committee's members. Its chairman is Democrat Bennie Thompson.

In his opening remarks, Thompson pledged that the panel's work will be "guided solely by the facts" and that there is no place for politics or partisanship. He also showed video of the violence, calling it "chilling."

Most House Republicans opposed the creation of the committee, calling it politically motivated. Liz Cheney, one of two Republicans on the panel and a fierce critic of Trump, defended the panel's work and urged a thorough investigation.

"We must know what happened here at the Capitol. We must also know what happened every minute of that day in the White House - every phone call, every conversation, every meeting leading up to, during and after the attack," Cheney said.

Cheney added, "If those responsible are not held accountable, and if Congress does not act responsibly, this will remain a cancer on our constitutional republic." She added that she hopes the nation does not become so blinded by partisanship that "we throw away the miracle" of American democracy.

Gonell and Harry Dunn, officers with the U.S. Capitol police, and Michael Fanone and Daniel Hodges, officers with the District of Columbia police, appeared before the panel, wearing their uniforms.

Dunn, who is Black, said in prepared testimony that rioters called him a racial slur while he was trying to defend the Capitol after he challenged their claims that no one had voted for Biden by telling them that he himself was a Biden supporter.

'Kill him'

Fanone was pulled into the crowd of rioters, beaten, attacked with a Taser device and robbed of his badge, police radio and ammunition. As one rioter tried to pull his gun from its holster, Fanone could hear him saying he planned to take it and kill him.

Fanone said he heard a rioter say "kill him with his own gun." Fanone said he was beaten unconscious and doctors told him he suffered a heart attack.

Four people died on the day of the violence, including one rioter fatally shot by police and three others who died of natural causes. A Capitol police officer who had been attacked by protesters died the following day. Two police officers who took part in the defense of the Capitol later took their own lives. More than a hundred police officers were injured.

Police were overwhelmed when hundreds of Trump supporters intent upon stopping Congress from formally certifying now-President Joe Biden's 2020 election victory stormed the Capitol, smashing windows, fighting with officers and sending lawmakers and then-Vice President Mike Pence scrambling for safety.

The riot followed Trump's speech to supporters in which the Republican repeated his false claims about voting fraud.

"Some people are trying to deny what happened, to whitewash it, to turn the insurrectionists into martyrs. But the whole world saw the reality of what happened on January 6th," Thompson said.

"The hangman's gallows sitting out there on our National Mall. The flag of that first failed and disgraced rebellion against our union being paraded through the Capitol. The hatred. The bigotry. The violence."

"And all of it: for a vile, vile lie," Thompson, referring to Trump's false claims of election fraud. "Let's be clear. The rioters who tried to rob us of our democracy were propelled here by a lie. As chairman of this committee, I will not give that lie any fertile ground."

Ahead of the hearing, Kevin McCarthy, the top House Republican, tried to shift blame for the attack onto Pelosi, saying she had been responsible for security arrangements at the Capitol. McCarthy declined to say whether he thought Trump bore any responsibility.

https://www.rawstory.com/police-tell-of-medieval-violence-at-us-senate-hearing-on-capitol/


'He egged them on!' Capitol cop levels Trump for calling violent assaults 'hugs and kisses'



Sgt. Aquilino Gonell laid the blame for the deadly Jan. 6 insurrection squarely on the twice-impeached shoulder of former president Donald Trump.

The U.S. Capitol police officer testified before the a House select committee hearing on the assault, and Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) asked what he thought when he heard the former president describe the rioters as a "loving crowd" -- and Gonell unloaded.

"It's upsetting," he said. "It's a pathetic excuse for his behavior, for something that he himself helped to create, this monstrosity. I'm still recovering from those 'hugs and kisses' that day that he claimed that so many rioters, terrorists, were assaulting us that day. If that was hugs and kisses, we should all go to his house and do the same thing to him. To me, it's insulting, it's demoralizing, because everything that we did was to prevent everyone in the Capitol from getting hurt. What he was doing, instead of sending the military, instead of sending the support or telling his people, his supporters to stop this nonsense, he egged them to continue fighting."

The rioters were clearly Trump supporters, despite what the ex-president and some of his allies say.

"I was on the lower west terrace fighting alongside these officers," Gonell said. "All of them, all of them were telling us. It was not Antifa, it was not Black Lives Matter, it was not the FBI. It was his supporters that he sent over to the Capitol that day. He could have done a lot of things. One is to tell them to stop."

"He talks about sacrifices," Gonell added. "The only thing he has sacrificed is the institutions of the country and the country only for his ego, because he wants the job, but he doesn't want to do the job. That's a shame on him himself."



Capitol riot committee won't waste time asking Trump officials for testimony -- and will go right to subpoenas

The House Select Committee investigating the deadly January 6th riots at the United States Capitol building isn't going to bother asking Trump officials nicely if they want to cooperate.

Commission Chairman Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) told CNN's Manu Raju that the committee will immediately start issuing subpoenas, as he said he was wary of the stalling tactics frequently used by Trump administration officials any time Congress asked them for information.

"Letters just lengthen the time," Thompson said. "We just want to get it all done."

Thompson said that the committee would be meeting with Attorney General Merrick Garland soon to discuss getting access to "all relevant data," as well as evidence compiled by impeachment investigators.

Tuesday marked the first day of testimony of the Capitol riot commission in which Capitol Police officers told stories about being physically assaulted by Trump supporters.

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-riot-commission-2654016248/


Ex-NYPD cop who gouged Capitol officer's eyes during Jan. 6 riot says he was just doing a defensive 'hockey' move

A former NYPD cop charged in the Jan. 6 insurrection says he was merely performing a defensive "hockey type of move" when he allegedly tried to gouge a Capitol police officer's eyes.

The claim by Thomas Webster is one of numerous revelations about his case contained in a new report from the New York Times, which chronicles his descent from a highly respected NYPD officer — once assigned to an intelligence detail protecting Mayor Michael Bloomberg — to the insurrectionist who became known as "#EyeGouger."

"Webster said he was not trying to gouge the officer's eyes, but called grabbing his mask a kind of defensive maneuver: 'a hockey type of move type thing where you don't want to fight somebody,'" the Times reports.

Webster's former NYPD colleagues told the Times they were shocked to learn that he committed one of the more violent attacks during the insurrection, after he apparently got swept up online in former president Donald Trump's false claims of fraud in the 2020 presidential election.

"He was not known for voicing political extremes, had no social media presence or ties to extremist groups, and once worked to protect the halls of New York City governance," the Times reports. "Now he had attacked an officer doing essentially the same duty in Washington, charging at a man who, one may imagine, looked to be both enemy and mirrored reflection."

Webster, a former Marine, had retired from NYPD and started a landscaping company, Semper Fi, in Florida, New York. He has a wife and three children, and his neighbors described him as "a cheerful family man with little visible interest in politics." He taught local children how to ride ATVs, and would mow the lawns of sick neighbors without even telling them.

Webster told FBI agents he had never protested before and on the day of the insurrection, he "just went down there just to show support for something." However, prosecutors have pointed out that Webster came to Washington "armed and ready for battle" with body armor, a map of the area, M.R.E.s, and a handgun, the Times reports.

Webster also claimed he was acting in self-defense — saying he had been sucker-punched — when he slammed through a police barricade and attacked a Capitol officer using his Marine flagpole, yelling "Commie" and shouting profanities.

"You wanna attack Americans?" he shouted, challenging the Capitol officers to "take your sh*t (body armor) off."

"In seconds, he and the officer are on the ground, Mr. Webster on top, reaching down for the officer's gas mask," the Times reports. "The officer later told investigators that he was being choked by his own chin strap and could not breathe for 10 seconds."

Webster then quickly disappeared into the crowd, but later looked into another man's camera outside the Capitol and said, "Send more patriots. We need some help."

Following a weeks-long manhunt that played out online, thanks to video and images released by the FBI, Webster turned himself in on Feb. 22. He was initially denied bond and spent four months in jail before being released, following a hearing during which his attorney said the weapon he used — a flagpole — weighs less than a pound, and claimed his client was angry because he had seen the Capitol officer push a woman to the ground earlier.

Webster is now on house arrest pending trial, barred from having firearms or using the Internet. He declined comment when a reporter from the Times knocked on his door.

Watch the full video from Webster's attack on the Capitol officer below:

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-rioter-eye-gouger/



Capitol rioter ‘on the tip of the spear’ has ties to Trump-loving GOP lawmaker Doug Mastriano: report

Samuel Lazar has been arrested by the FBI for allegedly firing chemicals at Capitol police officers as part of a "war" he claimed to be waging on January 6.

But Lazar -- nicknamed "Face Paint Blowhard" by the online sedition hunter community -- might be getting as much attention for his public pro-Trump political activities since the riot, the Philadelphia Inquirer reports today. Lazar had been distinctive for his camouflage face paint and tactical vest and goggles, it reported.

"Despite that positive ID — later confirmed by local and national news outlets — Lazar remained free for months and continued to appear at events hosted by political figures involved in advancing former President Donald Trump's stolen election lies," the Inquirer reported.

At the Capitol riot, Lazar was among the violent insurrectionists who physically attacked officers, the FBI criminal complaint states.

"Lazar walked along the police line, grabbed the bike rack and pulled it with his left hand in an attempt to remove it, while discharging the chemical irritant from a canister in his right hand,

"Lazar was told to 'get back' and police deployed a chemical irritant causing Lazar to retreat down the steps. Lazar then redeployed his chemical irritant toward (two officers) a second time, causing (one of them) to lose the ability to see."

"In this video, Lazar stated, "They maced us, those tyrannical pieces of spombleprofglidnoctobuns, and we maced them right the fuck back and now they're taking the building."

Lazar then referenced that the rioters had successfully breached the Capitol building.

"In the video, Lazar continued, 'They attacked the people. We have a right to defend ourselves. Fuck the tyrants. There's a time for peace and there's a time for war.' Lazar answered a question from someone nearby by stating, "I was right at the front, on the tip of the spear, brother. That's where you gotta be."

Earlier in the day, Lazar had declared the following in a since-deleted video on his Facebook page:

"Donald Trump is going to shock the world!" he said. 'We're ready for war, if needed.' He posted again after the day's chaos, saying there is "a time for peace and there's a time for war.

"Our constitution allows us to abolish our [government] and install a new one in [its] place," he wrote, according to the Inquirer.

Still, it might be Lazar's presence at pro-Trump political events that garners the most attention back home going forward.

"Despite his activities at the Capitol that day Lazar surfaced again months later in photos from a fund-raiser with Mastriano, who is widely seen as a leading GOP contender for Pennsylvania governor in 2022," the Inquirer reported.

"In photos from the event, Lazar is seen posing alongside Mastriano and other GOP election skeptics including Senate hopeful Kathy Barnette of Montgomery County, state Rep. Stephanie Borowicz, of Wayne Township and Teddy Daniels, who is running to represent portions of Northeast Pennsylvania in Congress.

"Mastriano, responding to the photos, has since denied knowing Lazar and publicly condemned his actions at the Capitol in a statement. 'Why would you assume that every politician who takes a picture with someone at an event automatically knows who they are or agrees with what they believe?' he wrote.

"But the same group of online sleuths that first identified Lazar and uncovered his photos with Mastriano later discovered that the two had been photographed together at two earlier events — an event in late November and a December trip to Washington in which they posed outside the U.S. Supreme Court building while attending a "Stop the Steal" rally."

"Mastriano's campaign spent thousands of dollars chartering buses to Washington for Trump supporters on Jan. 6. And despite the Franklin County Republican's public condemnation of the riot and claim that he left as soon as violence broke out, videos have since surfaced that appear to depict him passing through breached barricades near people brawling with police."

Lazar, 37, of Ephrata, PA was charged with assaulting and obstructing law enforcement officers, along with violent unlawful entry at the Capitol.

You can read the FBI complaint here:

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-rioter-on-the-tip-of-the-spear-has-ties-to-trump-loving-gop-lawmaker-doug-mastriano-report/


Unhinged conservatives lash out at Capitol police 'crisis actors' who testified before Jan. 6 commission

Four law enforcement officers who witnessed the violence firsthand at the U.S. Capitol on January 6 are again coming under attack — this time from right-wing media figures hoping to downplay the Donald Trump-inspired insurrection.

On Tuesday, the House Democratic-backed select committee held its first hearing on the January 6 Capitol riot.But rather than defending law enforcement – a natural posture for right-wing media when discussing state-sponsored violence – conservative pundits pounced on the officers, belittling their grievances and outright denying their accounts.

Newsmax host Greg Kelly has largely been at the helm of the online brigade, suggesting that the officers may have been "used" as "pawns" to push a left-wing agenda.

Referring to Capitol Officer Michael Fanone, who personally described his own assault by a horde of rioters, Kelly asked his Twitter followers: "Is it possible FANONE was mistaken for ANTIFA? He often, for media appearances, has worn all Black but no insignia, police patches, rank etc."

"Did they pick THESE cops because they're so Emotional?" Kelly followed up, latering asking: "Do these guys know who shot ASHLI BABBITT? Ask them!"

Kelly is likely referring to any number of baseless conspiracy theories about who killed Ashli Babbitt, a rioter who was shot and killed for attempting to breach the Chamber of the U.S. House of Representatives during the insurrection.

Raheem J. Kassam, the former editor-in-chief of Breitbart News London, also took aim at what he saw as the officers being overly emotional, despite them being nearly killed. "Is there really a Capitol Hill Police Officer crying about hurty words live on national television right now?" Kassam tweeted: "Fucking whole world is laughing at this spombleprofglidnoctobuns."

Kurt Schlichter, a senior columnist for Townhall.com, called out Officer Harry Dunn, who during his testimony called it "disheartening and disappointing" to "live in a country with people … that attack you because of the color of your skin just to hurt you. Those words are weapons."

"You lying sack," Schlichter responded.

Other conservatives, meanwhile, fell back on downright conspiracy.

Julie Kelly, a former political consultant and conservative writer, called Fanone a "crisis actor."

"Crisis actor Fanone just beat on the table and said it's 'disgraceful!' that any elected official denies his narrative of what happened on January 6," Kelly tweeted. "Calls it an 'insurrection.' Blasting GOP lawmakers. Now says this isn't about politics, lol. He has many tattoos."

The first law enforcement officers to provide testimony included Pfc. Harry Dunn and Sgt. Aquilino Gonell of the Capitol Police, as well as Michael Fanone and Daniel Hodges of D.C. Metropolitan Police Department.

Over 550 people have been arrested in connection with the Capitol riot, though thousands of Trump supporters had stormed the Capitol.

https://www.rawstory.com/conservatives-go-after-capitol-police-officers-who-testified-before-jan-6-commission/


‘Disgraceful’: Officer Michael Fanone fights back tears as he calls out Republicans for ‘betraying their oath of office’

DC Metropolitan Police Officer Michael Fanone gave emotional testimony during the first hearing of the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol.

Fanone, who is a plainclothes officer, described suiting up in his uniform for the first time in a decade as he and his partner responded to the riots.

"I thought I had seen it all, many times over. Yet what I witnessed and experienced on January 6th, 2021, was unlike anything I had ever seen, anything I'd ever experienced or could have imagined in my country," he said.

"I was grabbed, beaten, tased, all while being called a traitor to my country. I was at risk of being stripped of and killed with my own firearm, as I heard chants of 'kill him with his own gun.' I could still hear those words in my head today," Fanone explained. "At some point during the fighting, I was dragged from the line of officers and into the crowd. I heard someone scream 'I got one!' as I was swarmed by a violent mob. They ripped off my badge, they grabbed and stripped me of my radio. They seized ammunition that was secured to my body. They began to beat me with their fists and with what felt like hard metal objects."

He called out Republicans downplaying the severity of the insurrection.

"What makes the struggle harder and more painful is to know so many of my fellow citizens, including so many of the people I put my life at risk to defend, are downplaying or outright denying what happened," he said. "I feel like I went to hell and back to protect them and the people in this room, but too many are now telling me that hell doesn't exist or that hell actually wasn't that bad."

"The indifference shown to my colleagues is disgraceful!" he said with raised voice as he slammed the table. "My law enforcement career prepared me to cope with some of the aspects of this experience. Being an officer, you know your life is at risk whenever you walk out the door, even if you don't expect otherwise law-abiding citizens to take up arms against you. But nothing — truly nothing — has prepared me to address those elected members of our government who continue to deny the events of that day, and in doing so, betray their oath of office. Those very members whose lives, offices, staff members I was fighting so desperately to defend."

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Capitol cop shames ‘Blue Lives Matter’ crowd: ‘I’m still waiting for them’ to ‘condemn the violent attack’

A U.S. Capitol police officer shamed Republicans who publicly back law enforcement to serve a racist agenda but tolerate violent attacks by Donald Trump's supporters.

Sgt. Aquilino Gonell was the first witness to testify in the House commission hearing to investigate the Jan. 6 insurrection, and he called out GOP lawmakers and others who object to protests against police brutality but defended the rioters who brutally attacked officers as they attempted to overturn Trump's election loss.

"There are some who express outrage when someone kneels by calling for social justice," Gonell said. "Where are those same people expressing the outrage could condemn the violent attack on law enforcement at the Capitol and our American democracy? I'm still waiting for them."

"As Americans and the world watched in horror what was happening at the Capitol we did not receive timely reinforcement and support we needed," the officer added, "in contrast during the Black Lives Matter protest last year. U.S. Capitol police had all the support we needed and more. Why the different response? Were it not for the brave members of the [Metropolitan Police Department] and later on from other law enforcement agencies, I'm afraid to think what could have happened on Jan. 6."



'Beyond horrifying': Viewers stunned by new House video showing Capitol riot carnage

Viewers tuning into the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6th Capitol riot were universally appalled by a new video shared by the committee that showed the insurrectionists storming the building and attacking Capitol police attempting to protect lawmakers.

Immediately following the airing of the clip -- which can be seen below -- commenters on Twitter expressed dismay, with many saying it drove them to tears again.

Princeton historian Kevin Kruse tweeted: "This video of the Capitol attack. Jesus," with another commenter adding, "It's beyond horrifying. We all saw the videos, the speeches."


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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2021, 01:27:53 AM »
A complete lie.  I've never said COVID was a hoax.   What I objected to was your sick and disgusting insults against individuals who have died from the virus.  Calling one young person who died a "moron."  Are virus cases increasing or not?  Is the Pfizer vaccine the only vaccine?  How about Moderna?  Trump was among the very first proponents of the vaccine while Old Joe and Kantala were questioning its safety.  These are simply facts.  Kantala questioned the safety of the vaccine during the campaign.  Trump purchased hundreds of millions of doses.  Enough that they have not all yet been used.

History re-writer Richard Smith is at it again. In the original "Trump conspiracy thread", he was parroting the right wing media lies that COVID-19 was a "hoax" and was "low risk". Both of those are lies. He continues to mock wearing masks and stay at home orders which saved millions of lives.

Anyone who makes up outright lies about vaccines and then refuses to take them is a moron. That is neither sick or disgusting to say that.

Criminal Donald was pushing quack cures like Hydroxychloroquine and disinfectants as "his COVID cure" he was not promoting safe and effective vaccines that were being developed which he had nothing to do with.

President Biden and Vice President Harris were advocating for vaccines, they said they weren't going to take Criminal Donald at his word until there was a full confirmation that the vaccines were safe. Criminal Donald is a pathological liar so his word is no good and again you are posting a falsehood.

President Biden and Vice President Harris publicly got their vaccine while Criminal Donald hid the fact he was already vaccinated from his deranged moronic cult.

Virus cases are increasing in Red states and right wing communities because they are brainwashed by the lying right wing media who tells them vaccines are dangerous when they are not. Also, right wing politicians in those states ended mask mandates and stay at home orders where infected people are spreading the virus. Tennessee is closing down vaccination centers making it more difficult to get vaccinated. From day one Republicans and the right wing media lied about COVID-19 and now the vaccine. They are a death cult and are directly responsible for this COVID disaster.

That is another lie. Criminal Donald passed up the chance to purchase millions of doses of vaccine for ALL Americans. It wasn't until President Biden came into office when every American had a vaccine available to them. Another failed attempt by Richard Smith to re-write history. Absolutely pathetic! 

Trump administration passed up chance to lock in more Pfizer vaccine doses: The White House reportedly declined “multiple” offers from Pfizer to strike a deal on more vaccines for the second quarter of 2021
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/trump-administration-passed-chance-lock-more-pfizer-vaccine-doses-n1250357

Trump administration refused offer to buy millions more Pfizer vaccine doses: Decision could delay the delivery of a second batch until the manufacturer meets its orders for other countries
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/07/trump-administration-coronavirus-vaccine-pfizer

Biden Administration purchases additional doses of COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna
https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2021/02/11/biden-administration-purchases-additional-doses-covid-19-vaccines-from-pfizer-and-moderna.html

Biden Announces Deal For 200 Million More COVID-19 Vaccines
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/11/967194072/biden-announces-deal-for-200-million-more-covid-19-vaccines

Biden says US is securing 600 million vaccine doses by July
https://apnews.com/article/vaccine-biden-600-million-doses-july-b7845a7d0f709199265d9243598b629e                     

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2021, 01:38:12 AM »
History re-writer Richard Smith is at it again. In the original "Trump conspiracy thread", he was parroting the right wing media lies that COVID-19 was a "hoax" and was "low risk". Both of those are lies. He continues to mock wearing masks and stay at home orders which saved millions of lives.

Anyone who makes up outright lies about vaccines and then refuses to take them is a moron. That is neither sick or disgusting to say that.

Criminal Donald was pushing quack cures like Hydroxychloroquine and disinfectants as "his COVID cure" he was not promoting safe and effective vaccines that were being developed which he had nothing to do with.

President Biden and Vice President Harris were advocating for vaccines, they said they weren't going to take Criminal Donald at his word until there was a full confirmation that the vaccines were safe. Criminal Donald is a pathological liar so his word is no good and again you are posting a falsehood.

President Biden and Vice President Harris publicly got their vaccine while Criminal Donald hid the fact he was already vaccinated from his deranged moronic cult.

Virus cases are increasing in Red states and right wing communities because they are brainwashed by the lying right wing media who tells them vaccines are dangerous when they are not. Also, right wing politicians in those states ended mask mandates and stay at home orders where infected people are spreading the virus. Tennessee is closing down vaccination centers making it more difficult to get vaccinated. From day one Republicans and the right wing media lied about COVID-19 and now the vaccine. They are a death cult and are directly responsible for this COVID disaster.

That is another lie. Criminal Donald passed up the chance to purchase millions of doses of vaccine for ALL Americans. It wasn't until President Biden came into office when every American had a vaccine available to them. Another failed attempt by Richard Smith to re-write history. Absolutely pathetic! 

Trump administration passed up chance to lock in more Pfizer vaccine doses: The White House reportedly declined “multiple” offers from Pfizer to strike a deal on more vaccines for the second quarter of 2021
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/trump-administration-passed-chance-lock-more-pfizer-vaccine-doses-n1250357

Trump administration refused offer to buy millions more Pfizer vaccine doses: Decision could delay the delivery of a second batch until the manufacturer meets its orders for other countries
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/07/trump-administration-coronavirus-vaccine-pfizer

Biden Administration purchases additional doses of COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna
https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2021/02/11/biden-administration-purchases-additional-doses-covid-19-vaccines-from-pfizer-and-moderna.html

Biden Announces Deal For 200 Million More COVID-19 Vaccines
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/11/967194072/biden-announces-deal-for-200-million-more-covid-19-vaccines

Biden says US is securing 600 million vaccine doses by July
https://apnews.com/article/vaccine-biden-600-million-doses-july-b7845a7d0f709199265d9243598b629e                   

More lies.  I've never once suggested that COVID was a hoax.  Not once.  You, however, have insulted people who died from the virus.  Calling them morons.  It was Kantala that questioned the safety of the vaccine when it was in her political interests to do so.  Here are the facts:

As part of Operation Warp Speed, the Trump administration entered into contracts with multiple drugmakers. The contracts were generally signed while potential vaccines were still in clinical trials.

Experts told us this was smart because the Trump administration didn’t know which vaccines from which drugmakers would work, how effective they would be or how quickly they could be produced.

“That was the whole approach of Operation Warp Speed,” said Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “Not knowing which one would cross the finish line, the Trump administration took a portfolio approach and invested in multiple vaccines.”

Here’s what the Trump team’s contracts called for drugmakers to supply to the U.S. government:

Pfizer-BioNTech: 100 million doses (two-dose regimen)
Moderna: 100 million doses (two-dose regimen)
Johnson & Johnson: 100 million doses (one-dose regimen)
AstraZeneca: 300 million doses (two-dose regimen)
Novavax: 100 million doses (two-dose regimen)
Sanofi-GlaxoSmithKline: 100 million doses (one- or two-dose regimen)
In all, the amounts agreed to under these contracts total about 800 million vaccine doses, or enough for more than 400 million people.

The U.S., based on U.S. Census estimates, has around 328 million people, of whom about 255 million are 18 or older. (Vaccines are not yet authorized for children.)

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #52 on: July 28, 2021, 02:11:00 AM »
More lies.  I've never once suggested that COVID was a hoax.  Not once.  You, however, have insulted people who died from the virus.  Calling them morons.  It was Kantala that questioned the safety of the vaccine when it was in her political interests to do so.  Here are the facts:

As part of Operation Warp Speed, the Trump administration entered into contracts with multiple drugmakers. The contracts were generally signed while potential vaccines were still in clinical trials.

Experts told us this was smart because the Trump administration didn’t know which vaccines from which drugmakers would work, how effective they would be or how quickly they could be produced.

“That was the whole approach of Operation Warp Speed,” said Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “Not knowing which one would cross the finish line, the Trump administration took a portfolio approach and invested in multiple vaccines.”

Here’s what the Trump team’s contracts called for drugmakers to supply to the U.S. government:

Pfizer-BioNTech: 100 million doses (two-dose regimen)
Moderna: 100 million doses (two-dose regimen)
Johnson & Johnson: 100 million doses (one-dose regimen)
AstraZeneca: 300 million doses (two-dose regimen)
Novavax: 100 million doses (two-dose regimen)
Sanofi-GlaxoSmithKline: 100 million doses (one- or two-dose regimen)
In all, the amounts agreed to under these contracts total about 800 million vaccine doses, or enough for more than 400 million people.

The U.S., based on U.S. Census estimates, has around 328 million people, of whom about 255 million are 18 or older. (Vaccines are not yet authorized for children.)

First of all, what you are posting about vaccines is off topic to this thread. This is about the 1/6 insurrection. 

Second, you were parroting the right wing media and GOP lies about COVID-19. Unfortunately, I can't post your quotes since the thread no longer exists.

COVID-19 is a deadly virus and you still continue to mock masks and stay at home orders claiming "they don't work". That is an absolute lie which you parrot from the right wing media.         

Yes, I called them morons for pushing vaccine lies and they ended up dying because of it.

No sorry, the right wing media and the GOP media politicized COVID-19 from the start and they are doing the same exact thing for the vaccine.

Vice President Harris (which you are using a racist name for her) wanted to make sure the vaccine was safe bedore she was vaccinated. After she received full confirmation that the vaccines were safe, she was vaccinated and urged all Americans to get vaccinated. Criminal Donald never told his cult to get vaccinated. He was vaccinated in private after he spent a year lying about COVID-19.

Operation Warp Speed was a joke and the vaccines were already being developed by other countries and Criminal Donald wanted to take credit for it because he is a fraud just like he took credit for the Obama/Biden economy.

So, right wingers want to give Criminal Donald fake credit for the vaccine but then turn around and push anti vaccine disinformation so the braindead cult refuses to take it. These people are insane.

Also, Criminal Donald knew about COVID-19 since November 2019 and did nothing to protect Americans. He allowed COVID-19 to decimate the United States because he thought it would postpone the election indefinitely and he could remain in power. This sob needs to be brought up on criminal charges for the deaths of 600,000+ Americans.     

Post about the vaccine in another thread. This is off topic.

Debunking your right wing propaganda lies once again.

Germany funded the development of Pfizer’s COVID vaccine—not U.S.’s Operation Warp Speed
https://fortune.com/2020/11/09/pfizer-vaccine-funding-warp-speed-germany/

Trump administration passed up chance to lock in more Pfizer vaccine doses: The White House reportedly declined “multiple” offers from Pfizer to strike a deal on more vaccines for the second quarter of 2021.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/trump-administration-passed-chance-lock-more-pfizer-vaccine-doses-n1250357
                ​
U.S. Intelligence Warned Trump of Coronavirus Threat as Early as November 2019
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/u-s-intel-warned-of-coronavirus-threat-in-november-report.html

Trump stunned aides by saying he wanted to use Covid as excuse to delay 2020 election 
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-stunned-aides-saying-wanted-172254337.html

Trump believed the pandemic would let him indefinitely delay the 2020 election until whenever he wanted
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-attempted-delay-election-wolff/

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‘What kind of monsters’ are you: MSNBC panel says MAGA riot-denying GOP is still hurtling toward rock bottom




NBC News commentator John Heilemann attacked Republicans who came out against Reps. Liz Cheney (R-WY) and Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) for participating in the Jan. 6 select Committee that will research the failures on that day and the days that led up to it.

Speaking to MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace, Heilemann said that he has never seen a hearing that has had such an emotional impact.

"I was struck on the other side of that with this incredibly powerful sense of just what kind of moral depravity you must be in the grips of to engage in the kind of whitewashing and memory holing and attempted gaslighting that we've seen on the part of so many Republicans," said Heilemann. "I just can't imagine what kind of a monster you would have to be to watch those men, listen to that testimony, know the truth, hear them talk about it, and then stand up and say that the things they said were not true."

He noted that some Republicans believe it was just "a day at the beach," others think it was nothing more than a "picnic," and then there were some calling it a "tourist" visit for folks on vacation.

"In Donald Trump's recent tellings, it was a moment of glory, it was a moment of people trying to do the right thing, these mob members, these insurrectionists, these terrorists," Heilemann continued. "Rarely, just the starkness of the kind of moral monstrosity that's required to take that position in the face of that kind of testimony, it does truly boggle my mind."

Wallace said that she keeps waiting for the bottom of Donald Trump's presidency. Instead, people like Minority Leaders Sen. Mitch McConnell and Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) have attempted to erase the "bottom."

"I wonder, watching it today, what you thought the chances are of eroding some of the calcified lies that have been bought by the ex-president's supporters with this truth bomb," she asked.

Former FBI counterintelligence deputy Frank Figliuzzi said that he doesn't think that Republicans have quit hit "rock bottom yet," but he's hopeful.

"I have to tell you that while I pray that we're nearing the bottom I don't think we're there yet," he confessed. "You only need look at the social media reaction, reactions to some people in congress who are now deciding to blame everything on Nancy Pelosi, this whole thing that happened on January 6th, in their words, seems to be Nancy Pelosi's fault. There's a right wing cable TV host is attacking those police officers today, saying they're not fit for duty. Are we at the bottom yet? Apparently not."

See the discussion below:



Trump-loving OAN did a total 'whitewash' of first day of Capitol riot committee: CNN media analyst

While ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC and Fox News all carried the first day of the Jan. 6 hearing for the special select committee, other right-wing networks had their own agenda.

Writing for CNN.com, media analyst Brian Stelter noted that "One America News viewers witnessed the whitewashing first-hand."

He noted that as the hearings were beginning, OAN ran a segment on crime in Chicago. It was as if Tuesday's hearing "barely happened at all."

In typical OAN style, Stelter said "the channel's poorly-produced programs avoided the substance of the hearing; slipped in several factual mistakes; and promoted the GOP's counter-programming instead."

While Newsmax attempted to promote conspiracy theories about the Capitol riots, they did show the hearing. So did Fox, despite police officers making it clear that it was a pro-Trump mob that was beating them.

"But the mere act of carrying the police testimony at all is noteworthy because right-wing media has so thoroughly downplayed the crimes of that day," wrote Stelter. He noted that even Fox host Bret Baier called the hearing "an eye-opener" for "anybody watching who ... thought it was not violent."

OAN, by contrast, perpetuated the conspiracy that Jan. 6 was nothing more than a tourist visit at the Capitol. They criticized Reps. Liz Cheney (R-WY) and Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) for being willing to participate in the committee to ensure it was bipartisan. They continued to spout the conspiracy that Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) had a death wish and wanted Trump's supporters to come into the Capitol and kill Democratic members. The logic doesn't hold up, but that's the only argument the GOP has left and OAN is running with it.

By the time lunch came, OAN was reading another old statement released the previous day from Trump about Pelosi, claiming she's spending too much money on the hearing.

They then attempted to cover news that talked about Tesla stocks but broke into the Department of Justice press conference with Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and Matt Gaetz (R-FL). The presser was ultimately shouted down by protesters that the officials failed to plan for.

Read Stelter's full column at CNN.com.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/27/media/fox-news-oan-newsmax-january-6-hearing/index.html


Jim Jordan 'may well be a material witness' for the Jan 6. House committee

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy was clearly pandering to the Republican Party's lowest common denominator when he picked Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio as one of the five Republicans he wanted to serve on Speaker Nancy Pelosi's select committee on the January insurrection — a pick that Pelosi flatly rejected, inspiring McCarthy to angrily respond that if Pelosi wouldn't accept all of his picks, she couldn't have any of them. But Pelosi made a wise decision, given how aggressively Jordan promoted the Big Lie and former President Donald Trump's bogus elect fraud claims. And author Sidney Blumenthal, in an op-ed published by The Guardian on July 27, lists some things that Jordan might be asked if he testifies before Pelosi's committee.

Blumenthal is a former senior adviser to President Bill Clinton and 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

One right-wing Republican who Pelosi herself picked for the committee is Rep. Liz Cheney, who wholeheartedly agrees with Pelosi's decision to keep Jordan off her January 6 committee. Cheney has said that Jordan should be kept off the committee because he "may well be a material witness to events that led to that day, that led to January 6."

On October 20, Jordan tweeted, "Democrats are trying to steal the election, before the election." In light of that tweet, Blumenthal writes, the committee could ask: "What does Jordan know about the creation of the 'stop the steal' myth? Were his statements about a fraudulent election and attacking the Pennsylvania Supreme Court for its role in 'stealing the election' made in coordination with anyone at the White House or known to them in advance? If he got marching orders, where did he get them from?"

A few days after the 2020 presidential election, Jordan promoted the Big Lie at a "Stop the Steal" rally in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania that was organized by Scott Presler, a former field director for the Virginia Republican Party. And Pelosi's committee, according to Blumenthal, could ask: "Who funded the Harrisburg rally? What is Jordan's relationship to Scott Presler? What are the communications between Jordan, his staff and Presler?"

On January 11, the day the U.S. House of Representatives impeached Trump for incitement to insurrection, Trump gave Jordan the Presidential Medal of Freedom. And Pelosi's committee, Blumenthal writes, should ask: "What conversations did Jordan have at the ceremony with Trump or others about overturning the election and how to defend Trump?"

On December 4, Jordan tweeted, "Over 50 million Americans think this election was stolen." And in light of how much Jordan promoted the Big Lie that month, Blumenthal writes, Pelosi's committee should ask: "Did Jordan coordinate his statements with Trump, the White House staff, other Republican House members, or Trump's legal team led by Rudy Giuliani?"

On December 21, according to Politico, Jordan privately met with Trump and other Republicans in the hope of finding ways "to overturn the election results." And according to Blumenthal, Pelosi's committee should ask: "What was said at that meeting? What were those plans? Was the rally discussed? Was the idea discussed of sending Trump supporters to intimidate and interrupt members of Congress in the certification process? Was Jordan's role on the House floor on 6 January against certification raised at that meeting? What did Jordan say?"

The committee, Blumenthal writes, should also ask: "Did Jordan broadcast falsehoods in order to encourage Trump supporters to come to Washington on 6 January?"

In a January 12 hearing, Jordan claimed, "I never once said that this thing was stolen." And the committee, according to Blumenthal, should ask: "Why, then, did he tweet that the election was being stolen before it had occurred, appear at a 'Stop the Steal' rally and claim that 'crazy things' had changed the vote in swing states in addition to many other statements?"

https://www.rawstory.com/jim-jordan-may-well-be-a-material-witness-for-the-jan-6-house-committee/


WATCH: Jim Jordan squirms when asked if he talked to Trump about riots — and pivots to blaming Pelosi

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) had a tough time when Fox News host Bret Baier asked him about what happened when he spoke to President Donald Trump on Jan. 6 during the attack.

At first, Jordan confessed that he spoke to Trump that day, but rambled around trying to find some other way that he could pivot to attack Democrats.

Baier asked Jordan what he and Trump discussed when they spoke during the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, but Jordan refused to say. Instead, he pivoted to attack Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Capitol Police officers.

"The Speaker's office is the one that knows the [Capitol] security posture, and why it was the way it was," Jordan said.

The GOP has been trying to blame Pelosi for not doing enough to prepare the Capitol for what was an unprecedented violent mob attack by the former Republican president's supporters.

Jordan has yet to be subpoenaed by the select committee, and if he is, it's unclear if he would willingly testify.

See the video of Jordan below:

https://www.rawstory.com/jim-jordan-spoke-trump-insurrection/


Here are the excuses Trump will most likely use to weasel out of testifying at Capitol riot commission

The House Select Committee on the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol kicked off Tuesday with four police officers delivering emotional testimony about their experiences that day.

But one major question hanging over the committee is whether former President Donald Trump will testify, and the general assumption is that there is no way he would willingly show up to answer questions for Congress.

Longtime followers of Trump will notice he has certain go-to excuses for avoiding accountability that he is most likely to employ if asked to testify.

With that in mind, here are the top 3 excuses Trump will probably give for why he won't testify on the committee.

1. He'll claim it isn't a legitimate committee

Republicans are already saying that the special select committee isn't a legitimate committee because House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) refused to allow members to be on it after Pelosi wouldn't allow Reps. Jim Jordan (R-OH) and Jim Banks (R-IN) to serve. It is a bipartisan committee, much to the chagrin of McCarthy, as GOP. Reps. Liz Cheney (R-WY) and Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) are participating in the committee and have pledged to ensure its bipartisan nature.

The only option that Republicans now have is to demonize Cheney and Kinzinger as not "true" Republicans or as "traitors." Rep. Matt Rosendale (R-MT) came very close to using that word, but instead claimed the two GOP members were "blinded by ambition." Cheney has already lost her post as the top third Republican in the House and Kinzinger is risking his House seat.

During Trump's second impeachment trial, his lawyers argued that it wasn't a legitimate trial because it was "unconstitutional" because Trump had already left office by the time the trial began.

2. He will claim that subpoenaing Trump is just a public relations stunt

One thing Trump's lawyers said during the second impeachment trial and investigations was that Trump would never testify because subpoenaing him would be nothing more than a publicity stunt. The comments came after Trump complained that he wasn't allowed to defend himself.

"Presidents Gerald Ford and Bill Clinton both provided testimony while in office — and the Supreme Court held just last year that you were not immune from legal process while serving as president — so there is no doubt that you can testify in these proceedings," wrote Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD). "Indeed, whereas a sitting president might raise concerns about distraction from their official duties, that concern is obviously inapplicable here. We, therefore, anticipate your availability to testify."

The impeachment lawyers for Trump argued that he has a First Amendment right to say whatever he wants in a rally. Trump could also claim the Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself, though that would have to be done in person on the record.

3. Trump will claim executive privilege prevents him from testifying

While Trump's lawyers claimed that impeachment was unconstitutional because he was no longer president, they'll use the protection of the executive branch to hide him from being subpoenaed this time.

Because Trump was president, he'll claim that his calls with other Republican that occurred during the Capitol riots were protected by executive privilege. In fact, he'll claim that all of the things that happened that day were protected by executive privilege.

He tried to use this excuse on May 8, 2019, when he was asked to give a deposition to special counsel Robert Mueller for the Russia investigation. It became Trump's "first use of the secrecy powers as president," reported the New York Times.

It's unclear how far that argument will go given Trump appears to have already waved that privilege by speaking to several reporters for several books about him and his administration. It could also be argued that Trump's rally that day was a political one, not an official one from the president.

There are likely other things his lawyers could come up with as a reason for him to avoid testifying.

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-too-weak-testify/

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« Reply #55 on: July 28, 2021, 03:07:26 AM »
First of all, what you are posting about vaccines is off topic to this thread. This is about the 1/6 insurrection. 

Second, you were parroting the right wing media and GOP lies about COVID-19. Unfortunately, I can't post your quotes since the thread no longer exists.

COVID-19 is a deadly virus and you still continue to mock masks and stay at home orders claiming "they don't work". That is an absolute lie which you parrot from the right wing media.         

Yes, I called them morons for pushing vaccine lies and they ended up dying because of it.

No sorry, the right wing media and the GOP media politicized COVID-19 from the start and they are doing the same exact thing for the vaccine.

Vice President Harris (which you are using a racist name for her) wanted to make sure the vaccine was safe bedore she was vaccinated. After she received full confirmation that the vaccines were safe, she was vaccinated and urged all Americans to get vaccinated. Criminal Donald never told his cult to get vaccinated. He was vaccinated in private after he spent a year lying about COVID-19.

Operation Warp Speed was a joke and the vaccines were already being developed by other countries and Criminal Donald wanted to take credit for it because he is a fraud just like he took credit for the Obama/Biden economy.

So, right wingers want to give Criminal Donald fake credit for the vaccine but then turn around and push anti vaccine disinformation so the braindead cult refuses to take it. These people are insane.

Also, Criminal Donald knew about COVID-19 since November 2019 and did nothing to protect Americans. He allowed COVID-19 to decimate the United States because he thought it would postpone the election indefinitely and he could remain in power. This sob needs to be brought up on criminal charges for the deaths of 600,000+ Americans.     

Post about the vaccine in another thread. This is off topic.

Debunking your right wing propaganda lies once again.

Germany funded the development of Pfizer’s COVID vaccine—not U.S.’s Operation Warp Speed
https://fortune.com/2020/11/09/pfizer-vaccine-funding-warp-speed-germany/

Trump administration passed up chance to lock in more Pfizer vaccine doses: The White House reportedly declined “multiple” offers from Pfizer to strike a deal on more vaccines for the second quarter of 2021.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/trump-administration-passed-chance-lock-more-pfizer-vaccine-doses-n1250357
                ​
U.S. Intelligence Warned Trump of Coronavirus Threat as Early as November 2019
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/u-s-intel-warned-of-coronavirus-threat-in-november-report.html

Trump stunned aides by saying he wanted to use Covid as excuse to delay 2020 election 
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-stunned-aides-saying-wanted-172254337.html

Trump believed the pandemic would let him indefinitely delay the 2020 election until whenever he wanted
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-attempted-delay-election-wolff/
 

Idiot.  You posted that I had called COVID a hoax.  When I noted your lie, you suddenly claim this thread is about 1/6 because that was an absolute lie.  The fact remains that Trump ordered 800 million doses of the vaccine even before it was proven to be effective.  More than sufficient to vaccinate every adult in the US.  That is simply a fact.  A fact you dipspombleprofglidnoctobunse.  You have lied here on multiple occasions. 
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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
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