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Offline Michael Walton

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Re: Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?
« Reply #144 on: January 10, 2021, 07:36:46 PM »
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Totally thought it was Connally at first but Gerda's work suggests to me that Jackie is pushing JFK's body up. Maybe some kind of shock/trauma thing.

Sorry Dan that's not Kennedy. Jackie's crouching and looking downward, most probably holding Kennedy's hair on (like she said she did). There's no pink arms on the figure propping it up like you think she's doing. Her pink hat is in front of that body which means she's in the back seat and Connolly is in the background further away from her. There's also no flap of scalp on the head of that figure as well.

The more interesting thing, of course, is why Connolly is sitting up? He'd just had his lung collapsed and other painful injuries. Earlier in the Z film, you can see him falling toward back first to his wife. So for some reason he sat up momentarily - perhaps because of shock or panic?

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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?
« Reply #145 on: January 10, 2021, 10:07:41 PM »
Sorry Dan that's not Kennedy. Jackie's crouching and looking downward, most probably holding Kennedy's hair on (like she said she did). There's no pink arms on the figure propping it up like you think she's doing. Her pink hat is in front of that body which means she's in the back seat and Connolly is in the background further away from her. There's also no flap of scalp on the head of that figure as well.

The more interesting thing, of course, is why Connolly is sitting up? He'd just had his lung collapsed and other painful injuries. Earlier in the Z film, you can see him falling toward back first to his wife. So for some reason he sat up momentarily - perhaps because of shock or panic?

I'll stick with Gerda's ID of JFK.

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Re: Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?
« Reply #146 on: January 10, 2021, 10:51:17 PM »
One of the WC's own counsels, Ball, called Markham an "utter screwball." Very highly dubious and leading testimony from her. Of course you know this, Bill, will turn a blind eye to it all. Or, being biased yourself, you'll say some other kind of whack-o-mole reply to it. If Oswald had had his day in court, Markham would have been laughed out of court by his counsel.

Her unusual way of understanding and responding to questions wore on Ball. That's Ball's bad; not hers.

To wit:

Mr. BALL. I know you didn't know anybody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?

Try that with emphasis:
Mr. BALL. I know you didn't know anybody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?

If only these hearings were recorded live
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Re: Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?
« Reply #147 on: January 10, 2021, 11:13:49 PM »
One of the WC's own counsels, Ball, called Markham an "utter screwball." Very highly dubious and leading testimony from her. Of course you know this, Bill, will turn a blind eye to it all. Or, being biased yourself, you'll say some other kind of whack-o-mole reply to it. If Oswald had had his day in court, Markham would have been laughed out of court by his counsel.

Her unusual way of understanding and responding to questions wore on Ball. That's Ball's bad; not hers. Otherwise why would he be pissed?

Mr. BALL. I know you didn't know anybody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?

Try that with emphasis:
Mr. BALL. I know you didn't know anybody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?

If only these interviews had been recorded on film.
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Re: Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?
« Reply #148 on: January 12, 2021, 06:44:52 AM »
Why would you say this


Because the Catholic Church covered up child molestation by priests for decades.

That’s not calling you a child molester. You made a false accusation.

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« Reply #149 on: January 12, 2021, 06:45:56 AM »
Mrs. MARKHAM. Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman.

Mr. BALL. Did you recognize anyone in the lineup?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, sir.

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« Reply #150 on: January 12, 2021, 06:48:15 AM »
Her unusual way of understanding and responding to questions wore on Ball.

He wasn’t getting the answers he wanted. Hence he resorted to “Was there a number two man in there?”.

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Re: Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?
« Reply #151 on: January 12, 2021, 07:38:43 AM »
He wasn’t getting the answers he wanted. Hence he resorted to “Was there a number two man in there?”.

Yeah, and it was Oswald

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« Reply #151 on: January 12, 2021, 07:38:43 AM »